You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[easyrider]

No argument that incentives have driven the EV shift (it mentioned that in the article I posted), but the old, tired argument that EVs are not viable in cold weather environments is BS.

Kurt

It depends on how cold. Anything below freezing slows the chemical reactions in the battery but doesnt destroy the battery. Heat above 90 can damage the battery and at 105 can cause it to explode. Evs manage temp but if the battery was low enogh and it was cold enough it might not accept a charge.

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

When I die
I want to come back as a citizen of Norway

Norway's social services are structured around a comprehensive welfare system that provides
healthcare,
education,
financial assistance,
and support for families,
all aimed at ensuring a high standard of living for its residents.

 

[easyrider]

When I die
I want to come back as a citizen of Norway

Norway's social services are structured around a comprehensive welfare system that provides
healthcare,
education,
financial assistance,
and support for families,
all aimed at ensuring a high standard of living for its residents.

Why would you think Norway wants you, lol.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

It depends on how cold. Anything below freezing slows the chemical reactions in the battery but doesnt destroy the battery. Heat above 90 can damage the battery and at 105 can cause it to explode. Evs manage temp but if the battery was low enogh and it was cold enough it might not accept a charge.

Bill

Heat has to be a lot higher than you claim. It’s not at all unusual for the pack to maintain ambient temps over 100 degrees in summer months, and this doesn’t degrade the pack in any meaningful manner.

Grok

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The statement is mostly accurate, with strong support from EV battery science and real-world performance data, though a few details are simplified or slightly overstated.
Cold Temperatures (Below Freezing)

• Slows chemical reactions: Yes, temperatures below freezing (0°C/32°F) significantly slow the lithium-ion battery’s internal chemical reactions. This reduces power output, range (typically 20-50% loss depending on severity and model), charging speed, and regenerative braking efficiency.

• Does not destroy the battery: Correct — cold causes temporary performance loss, not permanent damage. Modern EVs (including Tesla) use thermal management systems to warm the battery when needed (e.g., during driving, preconditioning, or charging). Long-term degradation from cold is minimal if the battery is managed properly; extreme/prolonged cold without protection could risk issues like lithium plating during improper charging, but EVs prevent this.

Heat

• Above 90°F (32°C) can damage the battery: Partially accurate — heat accelerates degradation starting around 30-35°C (86-95°F) with prolonged exposure. Higher temperatures worsen capacity loss over time. EVs actively cool batteries to mitigate this.

• At 105°F (40.6°C) can cause it to explode: Overstated — normal ambient heat up to 105°F won’t cause explosion. Thermal runaway (leading to fire/explosion) typically requires internal temperatures of 130-200°C+ (266-392°F+), triggered by abuse like overcharging, damage, or defects — not ambient heat alone. EVs have safeguards to prevent this.

EVs Manage Temperature, Charging in Cold/Low Battery

• Yes — most EVs (e.g., Tesla) have advanced battery management systems that heat/cool the pack. In very cold conditions with a low battery, the system may limit or delay charging until the battery warms up (using available energy or grid power if plugged in) to avoid damage. If the battery is extremely cold and depleted, charging might not start immediately or could be very slow until preconditioned.

Overall, the statement captures key realities of EV battery behavior well, especially the asymmetry (cold slows things temporarily; sustained heat degrades permanently). Modern EVs handle these issues effectively through thermal management.

Here’s but one of myriad examples from our own Tesla on a hot summer day of battery pack temp on my wife’s daily commute home from work:

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[davidvel]

It depends on how cold. Anything below freezing slows the chemical reactions in the battery but doesnt destroy the battery. Heat above 90 can damage the battery and at 105 can cause it to explode. Evs manage temp but if the battery was low enogh and it was cold enough it might not accept a charge.

Bill

That is such simplistic childish think. The post you replied to is about people claiming that EVs don't work when the environmental temps are freezing.

Yes, if the BATTERY temps reach those extremes there could be issues. What you posted ignores is that the vehicles have the ability to manage their internal temps, despite the high or low temps outside.

What you and these people are arguing is like saying people can't live in Montana in the winter or Vegas in the summer because they would freeze to death or die of heat prostration. Of course we have shelter, heaters, shade and AC to handle the extreme temps just like EV batteries do.

 

[easyrider]

Heat has to be a lot higher than you claim. It’s not at all unusual for the pack to maintain ambient temps over 100 degrees in summer months, and this doesn’t degrade the pack in any meaningful manner.

Grok

Grok is a free AI assistant designed by xAI to maximize truth and objectivity. Grok offers real-time search, image generation, trend analysis, and more.

grok.com

The statement is mostly accurate, with strong support from EV battery science and real-world performance data, though a few details are simplified or slightly overstated.
Cold Temperatures (Below Freezing)

• Slows chemical reactions: Yes, temperatures below freezing (0°C/32°F) significantly slow the lithium-ion battery’s internal chemical reactions. This reduces power output, range (typically 20-50% loss depending on severity and model), charging speed, and regenerative braking efficiency.

• Does not destroy the battery: Correct — cold causes temporary performance loss, not permanent damage. Modern EVs (including Tesla) use thermal management systems to warm the battery when needed (e.g., during driving, preconditioning, or charging). Long-term degradation from cold is minimal if the battery is managed properly; extreme/prolonged cold without protection could risk issues like lithium plating during improper charging, but EVs prevent this.

Heat

• Above 90°F (32°C) can damage the battery: Partially accurate — heat accelerates degradation starting around 30-35°C (86-95°F) with prolonged exposure. Higher temperatures worsen capacity loss over time. EVs actively cool batteries to mitigate this.

• At 105°F (40.6°C) can cause it to explode: Overstated — normal ambient heat up to 105°F won’t cause explosion. Thermal runaway (leading to fire/explosion) typically requires internal temperatures of 130-200°C+ (266-392°F+), triggered by abuse like overcharging, damage, or defects — not ambient heat alone. EVs have safeguards to prevent this.

EVs Manage Temperature, Charging in Cold/Low Battery

• Yes — most EVs (e.g., Tesla) have advanced battery management systems that heat/cool the pack. In very cold conditions with a low battery, the system may limit or delay charging until the battery warms up (using available energy or grid power if plugged in) to avoid damage. If the battery is extremely cold and depleted, charging might not start immediately or could be very slow until preconditioned.

Overall, the statement captures key realities of EV battery behavior well, especially the asymmetry (cold slows things temporarily; sustained heat degrades permanently). Modern EVs handle these issues effectively through thermal management.

Here’s but one of myriad examples from our own Tesla on a hot summer day of battery pack temp on my wife’s daily commute home from work:

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Thats interesting about heat. I had thought heat damages or degrades ev battery packs at lower than what your Tesla is showing.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

That is such simplistic childish think. The post you replied to is about people claiming that EVs don't work when the environmental temps are freezing.

Yes, if the BATTERY temps reach those extremes there could be issues. What you posted ignores is that the vehicles have the ability to manage their internal temps, despite the high or low temps outside.

What you and these people are arguing is like saying people can't live in Montana in the winter or Vegas in the summer because they would freeze to death or die of heat prostration. Of course we have shelter, heaters, shade and AC to handle the extreme temps just like EV batteries do.

We are talking about the battery compartment Dave. If the battery were low and the outside temp was below freezing , the battery might not accept a charge because the battery pack might not heat up. This is what happened in Canada last winter.

I kind of wonder what happens if the the battery pack was very high temps above 100 with a nonfunctioning thermal system.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Thats interesting about heat. I had thought heat damages or degrades ev battery packs at lower than what your Tesla is showing.

Bill

Only prolonged exposure - meaning several days at a time at minimum - not hours.


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[easyrider]

Only prolonged exposure - meaning several days at a time at minimum - not hours.


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In a senario of a Tesla parked in hot weather for a month, with a low battery, does the Tesla alert you ?

Bill

 

[Cornell]

In a senario of a Tesla parked in hot weather for a month, with a low battery, does the Tesla alert you ?

Bill

Yes

 

[davidvel]

We are talking about the battery compartment Dave. If the battery were low and the outside temp was below freezing , the battery might not accept a charge because the battery pack might not heat up. This is what happened in Canada last winter.

I kind of wonder what happens if the the battery pack was very high temps above 100 with a nonfunctioning thermal system.

Bill

If, if, if. The sytem accounts for all your thoughts.

As for your wonder, the same thing would probably happen as would if you lay in the desert in 100+ temps with no ability to cool or hydrate yourself.

 

[easyrider]

If, if, if. The sytem accounts for all your thoughts.

As for your wonder, the same thing would probably happen as would if you lay in the desert in 100+ temps with no ability to cool or hydrate yourself.

No Dave, my operating system is biological, not anywhere the same as the inorganic operating system of a Tesla.

Bill

 

[Brett]

No Dave, my operating system is biological, not anywhere the same as the inorganic operating system of a Tesla.

Bill

LOL

Prove that you are actually a biological entity ... aka "human" ....... "Bill"

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[easyrider]

LOL

Prove that you are actually a biological entity ... aka "human" ....... "Bill"



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That's funny Brett.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

When I think Mercedes I think over engineered, unreliable , costly repairs, fast depreciation and owning only under warranty. Maybe it's better as an ev but I doubt it.

It is definitely interesting. Do you think this is better than Teslas fsd ?

Bill

Here’s an article published today about your question:

Elon Musk gives honest take on when Tesla will see serious FSD competition

Musk’s comments came on the heels of NVIDIA’s announcement of its Alpamayo system, which also uses AI to accelerate the development of autonomous driving solutions.

www.teslarati.com

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[TolmiePeak]

Has anyone actually read every single post on this thread?

 

[Ken555]

Has anyone actually read every single post on this thread?

BillAI has.

 

[emeryjre]

Talk about Age Discrimination!!

I signed up for a test drive of the new Verge TS-Pro motorcycle

They are offering rides in LA and Santa Clara

They would not give me a slot because I am too old

I guess they will find somebody else to spend 50K on a motorcycle

 

[easyrider]

Talk about Age Discrimination!!

I signed up for a test drive of the new Verge TS-Pro motorcycle

They are offering rides in LA and Santa Clara

They would not give me a slot because I am too old

I guess they will find somebody else to spend 50K on a motorcycle

Our Harley dealer had the Livewire . They had a demo model used for test drives. I was going to try it out but would have had to wait for it to get back so it didn't happen. It's only a $17,000 electric motorcycle so they aren't as picky about riders. All you need is a mc endorsement f9r the most part.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

Talk about Age Discrimination!!

I signed up for a test drive of the new Verge TS-Pro motorcycle

They are offering rides in LA and Santa Clara

They would not give me a slot because I am too old

I guess they will find somebody else to spend 50K on a motorcycle

Do you have a motorcycle endorsement on your license? I’m 61 and ride motorcycles all the time. I can’t imagine being told I’m too old to ride.

 

[emeryjre]

Do you have a motorcycle endorsement on your license? I’m 61 and ride motorcycles all the time. I can’t imagine being told I’m too old to ride.

You are just a youngster

 

[easyrider]

Do you have a motorcycle endorsement on your license? I’m 61 and ride motorcycles all the time. I can’t imagine being told I’m too old to ride.

My last test drive was a KTM 300. I think I would end up at the hospital if I buy it. I ride a BMW 1200gs which I like but might go for a cruiser or small enduro next year.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Talk about Age Discrimination!!

I signed up for a test drive of the new Verge TS-Pro motorcycle

They are offering rides in LA and Santa Clara

They would not give me a slot because I am too old

I guess they will find somebody else to spend 50K on a motorcycle

You could get the MC for free with a lawsuit.

 

[easyrider]

You could get the MC for free with a lawsuit.

I doubt that. The mc dealer has the right to refuse test drives based on their opinion of a riders ability or experience. Most Mc dealers are very picky about test drives.

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

I have since spoken to Oscar
He said if I have valid California Motor Cycle License,
Come to the showing they are having in LA on 1/17
At Bike Shed Moto Company
They will test my skills in the parking lot
If I can past their skills test
And the credit check
I am good to take it out on their test route

The credit check is not a problem

I have not ridden a super-fast crotch rocket in about 25 years
The skills test might be a challenge
It is a "twitchy" ride compared to a Gold Wing Honda according to them
They mention how quick it is
3.5 seconds to 60 MPH
The velocity and torque can push a person back so quick
There isn't time to turn the throttle down and recover

A Honda Superbike does 0 to 60 in about 3.2 seconds
(CBR1000RR)

Think the "idiot" videos showing people crashing doing car burnouts

They and I really don't want a crash and I hurt myself