You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

So when you enter a parking lot it just chooses a random available space? I agree that I would want to select a particular location, especially if, for example, it were raining and I saw a spot close to the entrance or if it were at night and I wanted to park directly below a light, etc.

Yes it’s kinda random at present. For example, sometimes it will pick a parking spot away from other vehicles, sometimes farther away from the storefront sometimes right up close. Sometimes it pulls into the space and sometimes it backs into the space. I haven’t been able to define a pattern as yet. This is a new feature that was just added to the FSD stack in v14 though, so like any other newly added feature, it will improve over time. Another preference I’d like to see is whether to pull in or back in, and I’d like these preferences to be location specific. So for example, at a grocery store location, I’d prefer pulling into the parking space forward, so we get easy access to the trunk when loading groceries. The system already memorizes your parking preference per location, in so far as curbside, street parking, driveway, etc., so I expect more parking configuration options to become available in future dot releases.

Eventually, I’d expect Grok voice integration to allow for what you mention, to allow the driver to provide explicit guidance on parking preferences when pulling into the lot. Such as, please park under a light and closer to the storefront since it’s dark and raining. The car would then tell FSD what to do. Today, it cannot do this via the AI integration. You can use AI to change navigation points, find restaurants, find chargers, pretty much any edit or change to the navigation system that you want, but you cannot use it for explicit parking lot preferences today.


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[HitchHiker71]

Ours picks a spot right in front of the gym when we go. Personally, I like to park further away so I usually take the wheel in a parking lot.

Yep, I don’t like parking in a crowded lot, don’t like door dings. I’d prefer to walk a little further and park away from other vehicles. I’m probably used to this since I drive a full sized truck though, which generally requires more space than most other vehicles.


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[easyrider]

Yep, I don’t like parking in a crowded lot, don’t like door dings. I’d prefer to walk a little further and park away from other vehicles. I’m probably used to this since I drive a full sized truck though, which generally requires more space than most other vehicles.


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You would like the placement of the newest Tesla supercharger area located at the far corner of the grocery store property. It's like 200 yards from the doors. I never see anyone using these. There are two new oil change facilities and a new car wash within a couple of blocks from the supercharger that are usually packed with customers.

Bill

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

The question is - is this real, and at the stage claimed?

If so, the only question I have left is the safety question. If it meets my safety criteria, and is real, then this meets my EV requirements.

We shall see. . . .

 

[emeryjre]

The question is - is this real, and at the stage claimed?

If so, the only question I have left is the safety question. If it meets my safety criteria, and is real, then this meets my EV requirements.

We shall see. . . .

I try and stay up to date on battery technology, and I have never heard of this company before

Here is more information on the company

World's First Production All-Solid State EV Battery Announced by Donut Labs and Verge Motorcyles - EVinfo.net

Donut Lab unveiled the world’s first all solid state battery to enter production vehicles, now available in the Verge TS Pro motorcycle.

evinfo.net

They have unveiled these batteries at CES 26 so they are not being shy about their achievements

If they are really doing what they claim

It will change the worldwide battery market COMPLETELY

This is the story from CNET

This Phone-Sized Solid-State Battery Is Already Powering a Production EV

Donut Labs and partner Verge Motorcycles claim they’ve got the world's first all-solid-state battery in a production vehicle, with many more to come.

www.cnet.com

Here is the motorcycle with the "Donut Hub"

Experience Life on the Verge - Verge Motorcycles

Pioneering manufacturer of fully electric motorcycles. Discover the thrill and configure your superbike today!

www.vergemotorcycles.com

Grok can find very little additional information
They apparently are owned by the motorcycle company they are powering
The first mention of them is in 2019 when they talked about the electric motor in the bike

There will be a flurry of repeats of the articles for the next 24 hours so it will be hard to find further material as the search engines will just regurgitate what we have already heard

 

[davidvel]

The question we all have
Is it real or
Is he just playing a role to keep the clicks coming
We will probably have to continue to guess at the answer

I don't think he is intentionally trolling, his posts are just a result of how he thinks. In his mind if he thinks something, that thing is a real, actual fact. End of analysis. Here is a good example:

I think that if you were actually driving, you would have seen the pothole that was large enough to damage your car regardless of the road condition. I think that many, if not most cars driving though the same area that you were, made it through with no damage.
[...]

Bill

So Bill:
- has never seen the pothole;
- has never been to the location of the pothole;
- doesn't know how Hitchicker71 was driving;
- doesn't know how visible the pothole is, and what surrounds it;
- doesn't know what other obstacles or traffic are on the roadway;
- knows nothing about if other vehicles (if any at all) have passed through the same area;
- knows nothing about what kind of vehicles these other drivers may have been driving;
- has no idea how attentive, if at all, such other drivers were.

And yet he thinks he knows what Hitchhiker71 and/or any other drivers through the same area did. He lacks any basis, factual support or other evidence of what actually happened there. It is one thing to suggest something as a possibility, be he posits his thoughts as actual fact. It is conspiracy-thought 101, reaching its height in and after 2020: I think, therefore it is.

 

[emeryjre]

I don't think he is intentionally trolling, his posts are just a result of how he thinks. In his mind if he thinks something, that thing is a real, actual fact. End of analysis. Here is a good example:



So Bill:
- has never seen the pothole;
- has never been to the location of the pothole;
- doesn't know how Hitchicker71 was driving;
- doesn't know how visible the pothole is, and what surrounds it;
- doesn't know what other obstacles or traffic are on the roadway;
- knows nothing about other vehicles (id any at all) passed through thesame area;
- knows nothing about what kind of vehicles these other drivers may have been driving;
- has no idea how attentive, if at all, such other drivers were.

And yet he thinks he knows what Hitchhiker71 and/or any other drivers through the same area did. He lacks any basis, factual support or other evidence of what actually happened there. It is one thing to suggest something as a possibility, be he posits his thoughts as actual fact. It is conspiracy-thought 101, reaching its height in and after 2020: I think, therefore it is.

You have done a great job of analyzing his process

He can be very lucid and understanding at times

Then he goes into the phase you are describing

I have decided it is not a fun use of my time and energy to be concerned with what easyrider is posting

If he starts posting dangerous and slanted misinformation about important topics, I will reconsider my position

 

[HitchHiker71]

The question is - is this real, and at the stage claimed?

If so, the only question I have left is the safety question. If it meets my safety criteria, and is real, then this meets my EV requirements.

We shall see. . . .

It does appear to be real from what I’ve read, saw this in a post on X today as well:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008208470030368786

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[emeryjre]

It does appear to be real from what I’ve read, saw this in a post on X today as well:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008208470030368786

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The motorcycle seems to be real

If they have the battery they claim

Why would they even care about selling motorcycles

The. Battery company would be worth billions if it is what they claim
And that is with a B

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

The motorcycle seems to be real

If they have the battery they claim

Why would they even care about selling motorcycles

The. Battery company would be worth billions if it is what they claim
And that is with a B

You have to scale up, first. Tesla did not start with a Gigafactory for batteries. Show the world it's real and is being made is reasonable quantities, then increase production as the pre-orders grow. (Remember, CATL isn't <that> far behind. . . )

 

[easyrider]

I don't think he is intentionally trolling, his posts are just a result of how he thinks. In his mind if he thinks something, that thing is a real, actual fact. End of analysis. Here is a good example:



So Bill:
- has never seen the pothole;
- has never been to the location of the pothole;
- doesn't know how Hitchicker71 was driving;
- doesn't know how visible the pothole is, and what surrounds it;
- doesn't know what other obstacles or traffic are on the roadway;
- knows nothing about if other vehicles (if any at all) have passed through the same area;
- knows nothing about what kind of vehicles these other drivers may have been driving;
- has no idea how attentive, if at all, such other drivers were.

And yet he thinks he knows what Hitchhiker71 and/or any other drivers through the same area did. He lacks any basis, factual support or other evidence of what actually happened there. It is one thing to suggest something as a possibility, be he posits his thoughts as actual fact. It is conspiracy-thought 101, reaching its height in and after 2020: I think, therefore it is.

That's funny Dave. Yes, I've seen and have both hit and avoided potholes with my hands on the wheel. Yes, the location 9f the pothole was disclosed. Hitchhiker claims to be driving hands-free. Hitchhiker saw the pothole so it was visible. Regular traffic is what seems reasonable. According to @WaikikiFirst there are many ev and regular cars mixed. My guess is that more drivers missed the pothole than hit it.

I think my interpretation of the event aligns with Hitchhiker. I'm not sure why this is a fact to you. It is 9nly a probability t9 me.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Nice to see this coming to market:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008316239261970745

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[emeryjre]

You gave to scale up, first. Tesla did not start with a Gigafactory for batteries. Show the world it's real and is being made is reasonable quantities, then increase production as the pre-orders grow. (Remember, CATL isn't <that> far behind. . . )

The announcement about the battery technology has certainly given them plenty of publicity about the motorcycle

The company and motorcycle are splashed over every tech news site I drift through on a daily basis

I guess we will wait to hear more about the battery

 

[emeryjre]

Nice to see this coming to market:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008316239261970745

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[davidvel]

That's funny Dave. Yes, I've seen and have both hit and avoided potholes with my hands on the wheel. Yes, the location 9f the pothole was disclosed. Hitchhiker claims to be driving hands-free. Hitchhiker saw the pothole so it was visible. Regular traffic is what seems reasonable. According to @WaikikiFirst there are many ev and regular cars mixed. My guess is that more drivers missed the pothole than hit it.

I think my interpretation of the event aligns with Hitchhiker. I'm not sure why this is a fact to you. It is 9nly a probability t9 me.

Bill

That is sad you think it is funny Bill. But at least you now acknowledge that your thoughts are just a guess.

 

[easyrider]

That is sad you think it is funny Bill. But at least you now acknowledge that your thoughts are just a guess.

I would call it slightly amusing rather than sad. You are right if you think that probabilities based on a narrative could be considered a guess. Maybe even a "best guess",lol.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Nice to see this coming to market:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008316239261970745

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When I think Mercedes I think over engineered, unreliable , costly repairs, fast depreciation and owning only under warranty. Maybe it's better as an ev but I doubt it.

It is definitely interesting. Do you think this is better than Teslas fsd ?

Bill

 

[PigsDad]

Norway Just Reached 96% Electric Car Sales and Gas Is Basically Over​

https://www.autoblog.com/news/norway-just-reached-96-electric-car-sales-and-gas-is-basically-over

But I thought EVs don't work in cold climates?
(which is a common lie spread by ignorant EV haters, which was the original theme of this 2600+ post thread)

Kurt

 

[emeryjre]

Here is a video from a founder of Donut and the new battery

He certainly makes a strong statement

If it is real

The Battery world will change dramatically

 

[HitchHiker71]

When I think Mercedes I think over engineered, unreliable , costly repairs, fast depreciation and owning only under warranty. Maybe it's better as an ev but I doubt it.

It is definitely interesting. Do you think this is better than Teslas fsd ?

Bill

Considering no one is using it yet - that question is impossible to answer. Seeing a couple pre-recorded videos by NVidia doesn't really matter - what matters is the real world experiences on roadways all around the US, and that real world experience remains to be seen. In comparison, real people use FSD in Tesla vehicles every moment of every day, to the tune of over 7 billion miles and counting. It also remains to be seen just how "good" VLA really is when trained only on synthetic data as opposed to real world data. As Musk just said yesterday, the long between 99-100% of edge cases is much more difficult to solve for than many seem to believe, including Nvidia, but only time will tell. Nvidia is one of the few companies on the planet that can innovate as quickly as Tesla from an engineering standpoint, and as we all know, competition is always a good thing. One of the features that I've always wanted with FSD, that the Nvidia solution apparently has, is the ability to take over control and not disable the FSD software in the process - you simply override the system - and it allows you to do so - then immediately takes over when you go hands-free again. Features like this may push Tesla to adopt similar featuresets that are missing from the FSD stack today, in order to compete better. Again, only time will tell, but I for one am glad Nvidia is entering this space and that legacy manufacturers are adopting this platform as soon as Q1 2026.

 

[buzglyd]

Norway Just Reached 96% Electric Car Sales and Gas Is Basically Over​

https://www.autoblog.com/news/norway-just-reached-96-electric-car-sales-and-gas-is-basically-over

But I thought EVs don't work in cold climates?
(which is a common lie spread by ignorant EV haters, which was the original theme of this 2600+ post thread)

Kurt

Policy mix-ups are behind it with steep purchase taxes on combustion cars, generous exemptions for EVs, cheaper tolls and ferries, plus abundant home and public charging. After years of that pressure, Norway effectively hit its long-standing goal of ending fossil new-car sales by 2025.

So the government and the taxpayer are "fueling" it. Norway also has a massive oil economy which is likely providing the electricity.

 

[emeryjre]

Policy mix-ups are behind it with steep purchase taxes on combustion cars, generous exemptions for EVs, cheaper tolls and ferries, plus abundant home and public charging. After years of that pressure, Norway effectively hit its long-standing goal of ending fossil new-car sales by 2025.

So the government and the taxpayer are "fueling" it. Norway also has a massive oil economy which is likely providing the electricity.

Norway’s energy production mix is dominated by hydropower, with more than 99% of its electricity coming from low‑carbon sources
primarily hydro (~90%)
wind (~9%)
making it one of the cleanest grids in the world.

Norway is also a major global producer of oil and natural gas
But almost all of that is exported rather than used for domestic electricity.

 

[PigsDad]

Policy mix-ups are behind it with steep purchase taxes on combustion cars, generous exemptions for EVs, cheaper tolls and ferries, plus abundant home and public charging. After years of that pressure, Norway effectively hit its long-standing goal of ending fossil new-car sales by 2025.

So the government and the taxpayer are "fueling" it. Norway also has a massive oil economy which is likely providing the electricity.

No argument that incentives have driven the EV shift (it mentioned that in the article I posted), but the old, tired argument that EVs are not viable in cold weather environments is BS.

Kurt

 

[easyrider]

Considering no one is using it yet - that question is impossible to answer. Seeing a couple pre-recorded videos by NVidia doesn't really matter - what matters is the real world experiences on roadways all around the US, and that real world experience remains to be seen. In comparison, real people use FSD in Tesla vehicles every moment of every day, to the tune of over 7 billion miles and counting. It also remains to be seen just how "good" VLA really is when trained only on synthetic data as opposed to real world data. As Musk just said yesterday, the long between 99-100% of edge cases is much more difficult to solve for than many seem to believe, including Nvidia, but only time will tell. Nvidia is one of the few companies on the planet that can innovate as quickly as Tesla from an engineering standpoint, and as we all know, competition is always a good thing. One of the features that I've always wanted with FSD, that the Nvidia solution apparently has, is the ability to take over control and not disable the FSD software in the process - you simply override the system - and it allows you to do so - then immediately takes over when you go hands-free again. Features like this may push Tesla to adopt similar featuresets that are missing from the FSD stack today, in order to compete better. Again, only time will tell, but I for one am glad Nvidia is entering this space and that legacy manufacturers are adopting this platform as soon as Q1 2026.

Now that fsd is being used there are videos showing fsd problems and fsd saving lives. I watched a short video of a cybertruck fsd reacting to save the occupant driver from a head on collision. That was impressive. The driver claims he couldnt react as fast as the fsd which is probally true.

Then there are videos of curbs and potholes where fsd seems to fail.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Norway’s energy production mix is dominated by hydropower, with more than 99% of its electricity coming from low‑carbon sources
primarily hydro (~90%)
wind (~9%)
making it one of the cleanest grids in the world.

Norway is also a major global producer of oil and natural gas
But almost all of that is exported rather than used for domestic electricity.

I

Yep. The nationalized oil companies in Norway fund the generous social safety net programs in place. Given the large amount of oil reserves and small overall territory and population, this approach works well for them.


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