You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[easyrider]

He is consistent
He loves creating controversy to keep a thread going
It is almost like he shares in the revenue of this part of TUG and gets paid for clicks

Well this is a new angle . Have you considered that anything anyone posts might be considered a controversy, and often in your case a conspiracy, depending on the depth of that person's ability to understand what's being said with an open mind.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Well this is a new angle

I wouldn't say controversy. I'd say the willingness to be terribly non-specific about what you write creates the "controversy". Example, I just browsed the last week of posts, and I can't figure out if you know that "FSD" is a Tesla brand-name or if you just use that generically.
And then, your stubbornness to not progress. Example, a month ago I told you that FSD is level 2. I explained what Level 2 means. I think I even pasted the engineering spec (ASEE or some such acronym) defining the levels. Yet, you go on and on about obvious things.

People read things into things that are written vaguely. I will not be vague: YOU need to be more specific and learn to realize when you are WRONG & MOVE ON. CLear?

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Well this is a new angle

another example: maybe 2 months ago, you wrote your famous theory of CA having 1000 ICEs per EV. The real # is about 20 per. I told you that. You were not only wrong, you were off by 50x. It is HARD to be off by 50x on a # like that. You just argued. You live in the boonies and want to believe in the boonies and you see what you want to see. So, what happened next?

You said the CA coast is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO different and you said Portland and Seattle aren't like that. Then, amazingly , you even said "I KNOW SEATTLE AND PORTLAND." Then Hitchhiker showed you data showing that Seattle and portland are right in line with the Bay ARea & LA area for that ICE/EV #. You ignored it.

So, what happened next? You said you drove to Orange County and OC is very different from that 10x - 20x # I proposed. You see what you want to see. Nobody can possibly believe that. OC is not different. I have the #s. I decided to stop screwing around with general searches. I KNOW someone publishes county-detail data. I went to CA websites and quickly found the right agency and quickly found the data. I can write you a table giving you the county data for CA.

Everything you said on that topic is wrong. Everything Hitchhiker and I said is right. I'd write a table showing the #s but there is little hope you would simply realize when you are WRONG & MOVE ON.

ps: this is about the 60th topic in the last 2 yrs around here that people should understand is KNOWN, PUBLICLY AVAIL DATA. Stop S O A Ping about this stuff. It is KNOWN, PUBLICLY AVAIL DATA. Before you S O A P about data, ask yourself if it is likely to be KNOWN, PUBLICLY AVAIL DATA. If so, then I'm sure you'll be happy to start the controversy about whether the KNOWN, PUBLICLY AVAIL DATA is "mis-information".
Speculation
Opinion
Anecdote
Preference
Is it any wonder people throw around the word "controversy"?

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Federal Laws don't give a legal mechanism on how to drive self driving cars.

I have to ask: can you cite any Federal Laws that give a legal mechanism on how to drive any cars? Maybe "Not legal to have 500 lbs of coke in a secret compartment"?

 

[davidvel]

He is consistent
He loves creating controversy to keep a thread going
It is almost like he shares in the revenue of this part of TUG and gets paid for clicks

I actually don't think Bill is intentional. He just lives in a world where he thijks his opinion, or an AI search is fact. He also can't distinguish between a vague statement of a subject vs. the specifics.

 

[emeryjre]

I actually don't think Bill is intentional. He just lives in a world where he thijks his opinion, or an AI search is fact. He also can't distinguish between a vague statement of a subject vs. the specifics

The question we all have
Is it real or
Is he just playing a role to keep the clicks coming
We will probably have to continue to guess at the answer

 

[HitchHiker71]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't hands ready to take over actually mean hands on the wheel when notified of a problem like a possible accident ? Wouldn't the steering wheel sensors know if the driver wasn't hands on the wheel at any time, including at the time of an accident which often happens before a driver could react ?


Eventually, maybe this isn't the case but currently, with level 2 self driving it is. What does hands ready actually mean anyway ? I'm guessing it's close enough to take over the steering quickly.

I'm not sure what you mean by "notified of a problem" exactly. It's not like the system notifies the driver of a possible accident - it will simply take action to avoid the accident in the first place when the human is unable to observe what's going on around the vehicle, which is using eight eyes that never get tired, never get distracted, never blink, etc. That's kinda the entire point of FSD - it avoids 99.9% of scenarios where humans would get into an accident due to inherent limitations of being a human. That's why the statistics already show that FSD is 7x safer than humans driving without the L2 ADAS system engaged. FSD fundamentally enhances safety - across the board - by the numbers. It's not theory, it's reality. FSD is going to avoid accidents - that is it's primary purpose - to keep humans in the vehicle - and outside of the vehicle - safe. There are literally thousands of videos posted on X where FSD saved lives - by avoiding head-on collisions, or t-bone type crashes in intersections - by seeing what the human failed to see in the first place.

Let me give a couple real world examples that we've experienced firsthand ourselves. In multiple cases, my wife has had FSD dart into an adjacent lane unexpectedly, which startled her a bit, but by the time she reacted, she realized someone had suddenly drifted into her lane in her blindspot - which FSD was watching all along - and reacted to avoid an accident. In another case, we were waiting at a redlight, the light turned green, and the car started entering the intersection, but then suddenly stopped just in time for a car that ran the red light to come flying in front of us - we never saw that oncoming car - but FSD did - and reacted instantaneously - much faster than any human could have reacted. That's what happens when the system has eight eyes and 400 TOPS processing capability - always working to keep the humans in the vehicle safe. Most folks have no idea just how powerful the AI4 SoCs are in these vehicles. They are, quite literally, robots on wheels.

Lastly, the steering wheel sensors are torque sensors not haptic sensors. There's no steering wheel sensors, at least in Tesla vehicles, that can merely detect if the driver has hands on the wheel unless and until the wheel is torqued by the human - which typically isn't productive when the FSD system is driving and controlling the wheel. This is why the steering wheel nags are so unpopular - you get a notice on the screen every few minutes that says - pull the wheel slightly in one direction or the other - to indicate you're paying attention - this is why vision monitoring is inherently superior and makes for a better driving experience.

Yup, I'm planning on test driving a Tesla with the level 2 self driving this spring. You do make a good point that a person needs to drive it to know.

Bill

There's nothing quite like real world experience. You'll quickly see what I mean about not keeping your hands directly on the wheel after experiencing it firsthand, vs hands at the ready. That's why the system is called "Supervised" - the human is supervising - not driving. It's takes some getting used to - just like anything else new in life - but once you get used to it - you'll never want to go back to having to drive 100% of the time especially on long road trips.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

What does hands ready actually mean anyway ?

It means you cannot be dehydrated. You must have sufficient electrolytes so that your nervous system can maintain a response time of < 0.25 seconds. Here is an example from the engineering spec

 

[WaikikiFirst]

couple real world examples ...

OK, so, honestly, how many actual accidents have you and your wife had in your vehicles in the last 25 years? You make it sound like the # approaches or surpasses 50.

 

[HitchHiker71]

OK, so, honestly, how many actual accidents have you and your wife had in your vehicles in the last 25 years? You make it sound like the # approaches or surpasses 50.

Estimating since I don’t track this data, probably around a dozen auto insurance claims over that time period - which includes time our three children were on our policies - about half of which we were liable (our fault). For my wife and I specifically, about half or around six claims. I’ve had two fender benders in my current truck since 2018, and one comprehensive claim (tree fell next to my truck and caused $8000 worth of damages last year), and one accident in my old truck back in 2017 timeframe - my fault - rear ended someone. My wife has had several accidents - twice rear ended with a fair amount of damage in different vehicles over the years - she is prone to stopping suddenly unfortunately - and a couple others where she was at fault.

Regardless, the two examples I provided were real world examples that occurred for us. People drive more distracted than ever these days due to smartphone usage IME. This is in part why L2 ADAS systems are more and more common on all vehicles - most of which aren’t nearly as functional as Tesla FSD - but even basic systems such as AEB, TACC and LKA go a long way toward keeping people safer on the roads.


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[easyrider]

I'm not sure what you mean by "notified of a problem" exactly. It's not like the system notifies the driver of a possible accident - it will simply take action to avoid the accident in the first place when the human is unable to observe what's going on around the vehicle, which is using eight eyes that never get tired, never get distracted, never blink, etc. That's kinda the entire point of FSD - it avoids 99.9% of scenarios where humans would get into an accident due to inherent limitations of being a human. That's why the statistics already show that FSD is 7x safer than humans driving without the L2 ADAS system engaged. FSD fundamentally enhances safety - across the board - by the numbers. It's not theory, it's reality. FSD is going to avoid accidents - that is it's primary purpose - to keep humans in the vehicle - and outside of the vehicle - safe. There are literally thousands of videos posted on X where FSD saved lives - by avoiding head-on collisions, or t-bone type crashes in intersections - by seeing what the human failed to see in the first place.

Let me give a couple real world examples that we've experienced firsthand ourselves. In multiple cases, my wife has had FSD dart into an adjacent lane unexpectedly, which startled her a bit, but by the time she reacted, she realized someone had suddenly drifted into her lane in her blindspot - which FSD was watching all along - and reacted to avoid an accident. In another case, we were waiting at a redlight, the light turned green, and the car started entering the intersection, but then suddenly stopped just in time for a car that ran the red light to come flying in front of us - we never saw that oncoming car - but FSD did - and reacted instantaneously - much faster than any human could have reacted. That's what happens when the system has eight eyes and 400 TOPS processing capability - always working to keep the humans in the vehicle safe. Most folks have no idea just how powerful the AI4 SoCs are in these vehicles. They are, quite literally, robots on wheels.

Lastly, the steering wheel sensors are torque sensors not haptic sensors. There's no steering wheel sensors, at least in Tesla vehicles, that can merely detect if the driver has hands on the wheel unless and until the wheel is torqued by the human - which typically isn't productive when the FSD system is driving and controlling the wheel. This is why the steering wheel nags are so unpopular - you get a notice on the screen every few minutes that says - pull the wheel slightly in one direction or the other - to indicate you're paying attention - this is why vision monitoring is inherently superior and makes for a better driving experience.

There's nothing quite like real world experience. You'll quickly see what I mean about not keeping your hands directly on the wheel after experiencing it firsthand, vs hands at the ready. That's why the system is called "Supervised" - the human is supervising - not driving. It's takes some getting used to - just like anything else new in life - but once you get used to it - you'll never want to go back to having to drive 100% of the time especially on long road trips.

Recently, your Tesla hit a pot hole and damaged the car while you were SELF DRIVING, because of a lack of sensors is what I think you said. If you saw the pot hole, why wouldn't you steer around it ? I'm guessing it's because your hands weren't on the steering wheel.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

It means you cannot be dehydrated. You must have sufficient electrolytes so that your nervous system can maintain a response time of < 0.25 seconds. Here is an example from the engineering spec
View attachment 120013

Oddly, I resemble that. My favorite beverage is waaaaataaaah.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

The question we all have
Is it real or
Is he just playing a role to keep the clicks coming
We will probably have to continue to guess at the answer

It's definitely amusing that you consider me your click bait. I just thought you had bds because I don't agree with you at times.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

People drive more distracted than ever these days due to smartphone usage IME

Yes, and distraction is not the only impact on their brains from excess smartphone usage. How distracted / incompetent are they?

My vehicles have had 3 accidents in the last 35 yrs. I have had 1. All 3 happened in the LAST SIX YEARS. All 3 were the fault of idiots. 2 of them happened when my car was parked. I wasn't even in it. For 1 of those 2, I was talking to the guy. We said "goodbye". He got into his truck and began looking at his phone. DUH!!!!!! Then I watched him back right into my car. "ummm, Dude?"

The 3rd? I was driving 52 mph on a 50 mph road. While driving 52 mph, I got rear-ended. HELLOOOOO?????????????? W/o further details, quotes from the idiot driver:
a) "Why are you driving 50 in a 65 zone?"
b) "Yeah, I saw you but the brakes on this old truck don't work so well."

Yes, FSD would/should have prevented all 3 of those. So would mature, competent adulthood being practiced by the avg American. Otoh, both times my parked car got hit, it was by a newish, nice enough car/truck that the vehicle must have had sensors & beep-beep warning. So,

 

[HitchHiker71]

Recently, your Tesla hit a pot hole and damaged the car while you were SELF DRIVING, because of a lack of sensors is what I think you said. If you saw the pot hole, why wouldn't you steer around it ? I'm guessing it's because your hands weren't on the steering wheel.

Bill

Not exactly. IIRC I said that FSD is legendary for not avoiding potholes. This is still partially true today, though it’s getting better. Still a lot of room for improvement though. This is at least in part likely why front bumper mounted cameras are now standard on all Tesla vehicles and were recently added into the datastream in FSD v14.

The specific circumstances were that the vehicle was taking a circular on-ramp and then merging onto a four lane roadway, specifically the northern tip of Gap road (two lanes in each direction) that then merges onto I80E near Delaware Water Gap. This small section of roadway is very badly maintained. It’s patched all over the place and really should be completely overhauled, but it’s not used much any longer so it’s deteriorated over time.

Below is a map of the roadway with rough highlights:

You come off river road to the turnaround then briefly take Broad St to the inclining exit ramp then the exit ramp dumps you onto Gap road - this is the section that is littered with patched roadway due to potholes so it’s hard to see new potholes among the dozens of existing patches on what is maybe only a couple hundred feet of roadway before the on-ramp to I80E. Due to the patchwork nature of this section of deteriorated roadway, it’s difficult to even determine what is and is not a pothole to avoid in the first place, even as a human, when you’re already being bounced around the roadway by the plethora of uneven patchwork, right at the top of the on-ramp on a then declining roadway approaching an overpass. I don’t really blame FSD or myself, I blame PA DOT for substandard road maintenance practices. By the time I actually realized there was a pothole - it was too late to avoid it after immediately coming off of the on-ramp. I actually had one hand hovering at the base of the steering wheel, and was able to avoid a direct hit, which would have damaged both the exterior and interior lips of the front left rim, whereas it only damaged the exterior lip of the rim. The rim is being repaired tomorrow. Suspension damage TBD - the guy that will repair the rim will give me a heads up if he sees any obvious suspension damage of course.

When driving on otherwise normal healthy pavement - FSD now avoids potholes quite well IME - because it’s easy to differentiate between a smooth surface and a sudden glaring interruption in the smooth surface. However, many urban roadways or badly maintained roadways with patchworks - where the entire surface is literally patchworks - FSD cannot differentiate the potholes. IME these types of deteriorated roadways are much more common in inner cities or rural areas - we hardly ever see major potholes in suburbia where we live for example. So partly it was also due to myself as a driver not expecting such a horrible roadway condition in the first place.


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[emeryjre]

Not exactly. IIRC I said that FSD is legendary for not avoiding potholes. This is still partially true today, though it’s getting better. Still a lot of room for improvement though. This is at least in part likely why front bumper mounted cameras are now standard on all Tesla vehicles and were recently added into the datastream in FSD v14.

The specific circumstances were that the vehicle was taking a circular on-ramp and then merging onto a four lane roadway, specifically the northern tip of Gap road (two lanes in each direction) that then merges onto I80E near Delaware Water Gap. This small section of roadway is very badly maintained. It’s patched all over the place and really should be completely overhauled, but it’s not used much any longer so it’s deteriorated over time.

Below is a map of the roadway with rough highlights:

View attachment 120025


You come off river road to the turnaround then briefly take Broad St to the inclining exit ramp then the exit ramp dumps you onto Gap road - this is the section that is littered with patched roadway due to potholes so it’s hard to see new potholes among the dozens of existing patches on what is maybe only a couple hundred feet of roadway before the on-ramp to I80E. Due to the patchwork nature of this section of deteriorated roadway, it’s difficult to even determine what is and is not a pothole to avoid in the first place, even as a human, when you’re already being bounced around the roadway by the plethora of uneven patchwork, right at the top of the on-ramp on a then declining roadway approaching an overpass. I don’t really blame FSD or myself, I blame PA DOT for substandard road maintenance practices. By the time I actually realized there was a pothole - it was too late to avoid it after immediately coming off of the on-ramp. I actually had one hand hovering at the base of the steering wheel, and was able to avoid a direct hit, which would have damaged both the exterior and interior lips of the front left rim, whereas it only damaged the exterior lip of the rim. The rim is being repaired tomorrow. Suspension damage TBD - the guy that will repair the rim will give me a heads up if he sees any obvious suspension damage of course.

When driving on otherwise normal healthy pavement - FSD now avoids potholes quite well IME - because it’s easy to differentiate between a smooth surface and a sudden glaring interruption in the smooth surface. However, many urban roadways or badly maintained roadways with patchworks - where the entire surface is literally patchworks - FSD cannot differentiate the potholes. IME these types of deteriorated roadways are much more common in inner cities or rural areas - we hardly ever see major potholes in suburbia where we live for example. So partly it was also due to myself as a driver not expecting such a horrible roadway condition in the first place.


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Maybe Elon needs to put some AI simulations into his programming
The exact circumstances of your "pothole" encounter are not an everyday occurrence
How long will it take for these circumstances to be fed into the FSD programming and a solution created

Sorry, I just couldn't resist a plug for Nvidia

Glad the situation didn't develop into anything worse than a bent rim and some suspension work

 

[HitchHiker71]

Maybe Elon needs to put some AI simulations into his programming
The exact circumstances of your "pothole" encounter are not an everyday occurrence
How long will it take for these circumstances to be fed into the FSD programming and a solution created

Sorry, I just couldn't resist a plug for Nvidia

Glad the situation didn't develop into anything worse than a bent rim and some suspension work

We shall see what the suspension eval has to say. With FSD, there is no programming. Zero. It’s a 100% video trained neural network system. What you’re likely referring to is what is termed reinforcement learning or RL - via a mix of simulation and real world video content. FSD has been doing this for years - since v12.

Nvidia’s system has yet to be proven in the real world by any automobile manufacturer to date in comparison, assuming you’re referring to the Hyperion solution:

Nvidia FSD: Future, Not Present | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Nvidia’s FSD equivalent actually been used by any major automotive manufacturer today?

grok.com

Not that I’m against Nvidia’s solution - competition is always a good thing - but IMHO it will be years before we see any major competition from the Nvidia solution deployed across millions of vehicles and actively collecting real world data for training - which is where the Tesla moat is still strong - again IMHO.


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[emeryjre]

We shall see what the suspension eval has to say. With FSD, there is no programming. Zero. It’s a 100% video trained neural network system. What you’re likely referring to is what is termed reinforcement learning or RL - via a mix of simulation and real world video content. FSD has been doing this for years - since v12.

Nvidia’s system has yet to be proven in the real world by any automobile manufacturer to date in comparison, assuming you’re referring to the Hyperion solution:

Nvidia FSD: Future, Not Present | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Nvidia’s FSD equivalent actually been used by any major automotive manufacturer today?

grok.com

Not that I’m against Nvidia’s solution - competition is always a good thing - but IMHO it will be years before we see any major competition from the Nvidia solution deployed across millions of vehicles and actively collecting real world data for training - which is where the Tesla moat is still strong - again IMHO.


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LOL
We could debate this for days
Since I have had some Nvidia Stock since shortly after the IPO
The days of growth have played out for most of my shares
Will probably not play a role in the stock value for me

The winner will be chosen by time
Waiting expectantly

 

[easyrider]

Not exactly. IIRC I said that FSD is legendary for not avoiding potholes. This is still partially true today, though it’s getting better. Still a lot of room for improvement though. This is at least in part likely why front bumper mounted cameras are now standard on all Tesla vehicles and were recently added into the datastream in FSD v14.

The specific circumstances were that the vehicle was taking a circular on-ramp and then merging onto a four lane roadway, specifically the northern tip of Gap road (two lanes in each direction) that then merges onto I80E near Delaware Water Gap. This small section of roadway is very badly maintained. It’s patched all over the place and really should be completely overhauled, but it’s not used much any longer so it’s deteriorated over time.

Below is a map of the roadway with rough highlights:

View attachment 120025


You come off river road to the turnaround then briefly take Broad St to the inclining exit ramp then the exit ramp dumps you onto Gap road - this is the section that is littered with patched roadway due to potholes so it’s hard to see new potholes among the dozens of existing patches on what is maybe only a couple hundred feet of roadway before the on-ramp to I80E. Due to the patchwork nature of this section of deteriorated roadway, it’s difficult to even determine what is and is not a pothole to avoid in the first place, even as a human, when you’re already being bounced around the roadway by the plethora of uneven patchwork, right at the top of the on-ramp on a then declining roadway approaching an overpass. I don’t really blame FSD or myself, I blame PA DOT for substandard road maintenance practices. By the time I actually realized there was a pothole - it was too late to avoid it after immediately coming off of the on-ramp. I actually had one hand hovering at the base of the steering wheel, and was able to avoid a direct hit, which would have damaged both the exterior and interior lips of the front left rim, whereas it only damaged the exterior lip of the rim. The rim is being repaired tomorrow. Suspension damage TBD - the guy that will repair the rim will give me a heads up if he sees any obvious suspension damage of course.

When driving on otherwise normal healthy pavement - FSD now avoids potholes quite well IME - because it’s easy to differentiate between a smooth surface and a sudden glaring interruption in the smooth surface. However, many urban roadways or badly maintained roadways with patchworks - where the entire surface is literally patchworks - FSD cannot differentiate the potholes. IME these types of deteriorated roadways are much more common in inner cities or rural areas - we hardly ever see major potholes in suburbia where we live for example. So partly it was also due to myself as a driver not expecting such a horrible roadway condition in the first place.


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I think that if you were actually driving, you would have seen the pothole that was large enough to damage your car regardless of the road condition. I think that many, if not most cars driving though the same area that you were, made it through with no damage.

Is this your fault because you were using the fsd and didn't have control of the vehicle ? I'm not seeing any difference between fsd and distracted driving in this seario.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

LOL
We could debate this for days
Since I have had some Nvidia Stock since shortly after the IPO
The days of growth have played out for most of my shares
Will probably not play a role in the stock value for me

The winner will be chosen by time
Waiting expectantly

It's been reported that Nvidia was the second most valuable asset by market cap but was replaced by silver. It's going to be interesting to see if Nvidia can compete with the quantum chip makers.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

I think that if you were actually driving, you would have seen the pothole that was large enough to damage your car regardless of the road condition. I think that many, if not most cars driving though the same area that you were, made it through with no damage.

Is this your fault because you were using the fsd and didn't have control of the vehicle ? I'm not seeing any difference between fsd and distracted driving in this seario.

Bill

Believe what you will - I was there - you were not. I don’t hover my hands over the wheel unless I’m paying attention to the roadway in the first place and suspect I may have to intervene at some point, otherwise my hands are in my lap. My wife, who was sitting right next to me and watching the same roadway, also stated she didn’t see the pothole until it was too late to avoid it completely. I turned the steering wheel to the right quickly, in an effort to avoid the pothole altogether, however the wheel still caught the rightmost section of the large pothole - which was wider and deeper than most I’ve experienced in suburbia - I’ve literally never seen a pothole this bad before on a section of pavement in all my 38 years of driving. I’m not exaggerating. If anything, as I stated, it was due to my not ever experiencing a pothole of this nature in my 38 years of driving. That’s more an indicator of us living in a nicer area with great roads for the entirety of that 38 year timespan.

Later that same week, we were taking my son and his girlfriend back to his Queens apt, it was dark, we were close to his apt in Queens, and there was a section of roadway under construction, and the roadway split into two lanes, one of which went down under an overpass on a downward slope - before returning back up to the normal roadway after clearing the underpass, and the entirety of pavement had been removed down to cement, except the drainage grates were still elevated at least 5-6” above the now bare cement, except for just enough pavement surrounding each grate to create a 45 degree angle to surmount each grate. There were 4-5 grates under this overpass all like this. This area should have been blocked off entirely IMHO - as that is way too much height for many normal cars to handle. Our car bottomed out over each grate they were so high - since we had four passengers plus a completely full trunk from Christmas gifts, but fortunately FSD slowed way down to almost a crawl because it saw these odd grates. I watched a car behind us dive down the underpass at a higher speed when we were on our way back the upslope - and snapped either its tie rod or control arm when hitting the first grate. Saw it happen in the rear camera view - which I often have displaying constantly on the main screen when driving in unfamiliar areas. The vehicle was disabled right then and there. So in this instance FSD actually did well, but the human driver not paying attention behind me hit a grate at 20-25mph and damaged its suspension badly enough that the vehicle was disabled in the process.

I use the above example to simply demonstrate that it goes both ways, and your assertion that FSD is somehow inherently problematic or contributes to distracted driving, isn’t generally accurate. Sure, there are always anecdotal examples, but the safety statistics tell the true story, regardless of what you believe.


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[Cornell]

Pretty cool

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006749970276429858

 

[HitchHiker71]

Pretty cool

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006749970276429858

Yep, IIRC that guy now has over 10k miles at 100% FSD usage since 14.2 was released. That’s pretty incredible really. Not sure I could duplicate that based upon my own experiences - true 100%. FSD still won’t pull into our side entry garage for example - nor does it do a particularly good job of picking parking spaces IMHO. I’d surmise this guy basically just puts up with the less than desirable outcomes at times, rather than disengaging and manually navigating like we do in some cases. For me personally, I need some parking options such as “park on the end” or “park away from other vehicles” for example, to meet my personal parking requirements.


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[Ken555]

For me personally, I need some parking options such as “park on the end” or “park away from other vehicles” for example, to meet my personal parking requirements.

So when you enter a parking lot it just chooses a random available space? I agree that I would want to select a particular location, especially if, for example, it were raining and I saw a spot close to the entrance or if it were at night and I wanted to park directly below a light, etc.

 

[buzglyd]

So when you enter a parking lot it just chooses a random available space? I agree that I would want to select a particular location, especially if, for example, it were raining and I saw a spot close to the entrance or if it were at night and I wanted to park directly below a light, etc.

Ours picks a spot right in front of the gym when we go. Personally, I like to park further away so I usually take the wheel in a parking lot.