Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[chapjim]

Possibly the attorney for the HOA? At the Shawnee River Village IIIB special meeting, the K&L Gates attorney mentioned the lawyer that represents the HOA so maybe that is the person that has to file? They never said pro hac vice on Perry Mason so I don't what that is

See Post #3,639.

 

[Edsolomon]

I am thinking out loud.....there is a lot of Wyndham Inventory for sale for very little. And....at that point I know the maintenance fees. Would it be better to let OIRC go into bankruptcy, and even if I don't get anything from the proceeds, just buy at another property? And what happens to the points that I could not use and deposited into RCI? Would they still be available to me? Lots of questions.
Ed

 

[dioxide45]

I am thinking out loud.....there is a lot of Wyndham Inventory for sale for very little. And....at that point I know the maintenance fees. Would it be better to let OIRC go into bankruptcy, and even if I don't get anything from the proceeds, just buy at another property? And what happens to the points that I could not use and deposited into RCI? Would they still be available to me? Lots of questions.
Ed

If you want to maximize MF/1000 points, you are better to go out and buy CWS on the resale market. CWA is higher than many other options that are out there. In both cases you will be able to get CWS for free or very cheap.

 

[shawnee83]

See Post #3,639.

Yes I saw it. And? It does not specify Mr Shuker's role in the matter.

 

[Arimaas]

I received an email today from Wyndham. I own at Orlando International Resort Club (OIRC). The purpose of the email was to offer me the opportunity to convert my current points to Wyndham points. I have 30 days to accept the offer or accept the sale of the resort and whatever sale proceeds MAY be offered. I did call Wyndham to seek additional information. As you can expect, I was told to wait for further emails.
The representative could not tell me how much my "new" maintinence fees would be, as it needs to be calculated as a percentage of ALL remaining resorts.
Not knowing what (if any) proceeds of the sale of the property would be forthcoming, it is a difficult decision to make. With a (30) day window, and little information, it is a roll of the dice. At the very least, I know my maintanence fees will go up......and no other information about fees associated with EXCHANGES.
If anyone has additional insight, guidance, or guesses....I would really like to hear from you. Thanks for listening to me........
Ed Solomon

You know, if you don't have developer points and in turn, VIP benefits, you can take the payout, and then get free CWA points at a later time on ebay and/or TUG. I'm sure there are plenty to be had.

 

[Jan M.]

I am thinking out loud.....there is a lot of Wyndham Inventory for sale for very little. And....at that point I know the maintenance fees. Would it be better to let OIRC go into bankruptcy, and even if I don't get anything from the proceeds, just buy at another property? And what happens to the points that I could not use and deposited into RCI? Would they still be available to me? Lots of questions.
Ed

The 2025 CWA maintenance fees are $8.13 per thousand points. That's without the 2025 program fee which is a minimum of $208 or $0.75 per thousand points for developer or for resale a minimum of $188 per thousand points or $0.73 per thousand points.

If the 2026 CWA maintenance fees have been announced yet, it's not on the maintenance fee chart in the pink stickies at the top of the Wyndham forum. We don't know if the resorts, most with higher maintenance fees than CWA, leaving the system at the end of the year will have any impact if the 2026 maintenance fees or not. We might not see the impact until 2027. The best guess is that we might not see a decrease but probably only slight increase, and who knows maybe no increase at all.

If you don't take the offer for the swap your account will cease to exist, and at this point we believe, so will your Wyndham RCI account. If you were to buy a resale contract there's no chance that it would transfer before the end of the year, thereby saving your RCI account and those points.

There are advantages to having some CWA points. Instead of having one home resort you can book before 10 months, you now have many. CWA owners can book the available inventory at the I think it's eighty some resorts in CWA at 13 months. It should be noted that some resorts in CWA have more to a lot more inventory than others. While you can't combine points deeded at different resorts to book reservations prior to 10 months, you can combine CWA points from more than one CWA contract to do that. If you want to add family members to a CWA contract, it's cheaper, easier, and faster to do it than with deeded points.

Hope this helps.

 

[bamasteve]

I received an email today from Wyndham. I own at Orlando International Resort Club (OIRC). The purpose of the email was to offer me the opportunity to convert my current points to Wyndham points. I have 30 days to accept the offer or accept the sale of the resort and whatever sale proceeds MAY be offered. I did call Wyndham to seek additional information. As you can expect, I was told to wait for further emails.
The representative could not tell me how much my "new" maintinence fees would be, as it needs to be calculated as a percentage of ALL remaining resorts.
Not knowing what (if any) proceeds of the sale of the property would be forthcoming, it is a difficult decision to make. With a (30) day window, and little information, it is a roll of the dice. At the very least, I know my maintanence fees will go up......and no other information about fees associated with EXCHANGES.
If anyone has additional insight, guidance, or guesses....I would really like to hear from you. Thanks for listening to me........
Ed Solomon

Thansk for sharing this. I have been very curious when and how we would be notified. Interesting that it came from Wyndham. I have been wondering how I would get notification - becuase I received just one notice of a vote from one of the two HOAs I own that are going bankrupt (Bay - recieved notice, Patriots Plan - recieved notice). My initial investmet versus my long term liability for future CWA maintenace - combined with our changing style of travel (not so timeshare focued) is leading us to a path to decline the CWA offer.

On another fun topic - I'm currently sitting in my Wyndham Margaritaville unit - keep getting texts and phone calls to go to an owner update. No thank you. Although I'm curious if they know about the resort closures and have a TRUE facts.

 

[seascapemvy]

Well, we came to Shawnee for what I thought would be our last time. Then my wife decided we need to come one last time so we booked for the last weekend Shawnee will be open in December. I guess that means the Christmas Tram Tour will be booked too. We will miss this resorts unless we can buy a condo at a reasonable price.

 

[paxsarah]

I should mention that the link stated that the fees would be $8.13 per thousand points converted PLUS additional fees that relate to the approximately 70 resorts that I would have access to. That unknown number troubles me.

I’m not sure what the wording is, but the 2025 maintenance fee for Access is $8.13 per 1,000 period. This includes all of the Access resorts that will be leaving at the end of the year, and all of the Access resorts that will remain. (It doesn’t include the program fee as Jan explained.)

In 2026, that figure will be determined (it’s oversimplifying to call it an average, but it’s kind of an average) based only on the Access resorts that remain open in 2026. It’s an unknown, but it typically increases between 3-6% annually as operating costs increase. It’s especially unknown what impact the departure of a dozen-ish resorts will have on it, but my guess is not much. That would depend on how far above or below the Access average this group of resorts’ maintenance fees have been, and no one really has those figures.

 

[chapjim]

Yes I saw it. And? It does not specify Mr Shuker's role in the matter.

Ah! He is the local attorney, authorized to practice in the Middle District of Florida Bankruptcy Court. The guy from K&L Gates in Miami is like a guest. He's there pro hac vice (for the event).

 

[dioxide45]

Ah! He is the local attorney, authorized to practice in the Middle District of Florida Bankruptcy Court. The guy from K&L Gates in Miami is like a guest. He's there pro hac vice (for the event).

The K&L Gates attorney is perhaps acting more as a consultant?

 

[HitchHiker71]

On another fun topic - I'm currently sitting in my Wyndham Margaritaville unit - keep getting texts and phone calls to go to an owner update. No thank you. Although I'm curious if they know about the resort closures and have a TRUE facts.

The sales weasels likely won’t know anything, and even if they do know something, they will use that info to daze and confuse unsuspecting owners, that much is guaranteed. In other words, they will reshape anything they know into deceptive half truths (at most) all designed for a single outcome - buy developer points.


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[HitchHiker71]

The only website they directed me to was the one where I request that I convert to CWA or decline. No further information. Do you know the current CWA Maintenance fees?
I should mention that the link stated that the fees would be $8.13 per thousand points converted PLUS additional fees that relate to the approximately 70 resorts that I would have access to. That unknown number troubles me.
Ed

That’s a bad way to say something very simple - we know the 2025 CWA MFs are $8.13/1000 - we don’t yet know the 2026 CWA MFs - since they haven’t been calculated yet since all of the resorts that have inventory held by the CWA trust first need to finalize their MF increases - before the CWA trust can finalize its MF increases. CWA always comes last since it’s a trust that holds deeds from many resorts within the Club - so those many resorts (70+) all must go first.


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[Jessica770]

The Catskills as a destination existed because it was relatively close, by train and by car, to major population areas, especially the NY/NJ metro area.

Once jet aircraft travel became relatively safe, quick and moderately inexpensive/accessible to a larger percentage of the population, the Catskills became infinitely less attractive. See also: the Poconos

Jet travel opened up California (previously 3-4 days by train or a week by car in the 1950's) and Florida (previously a day and a half by train or 2-3 days by car) as legitimate destinations where you weren't spending your entire vacation "getting there and back". Also ski destinations like Colorado via Denver and the mountains of Utah via Salt Lake City.