Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[rickandcindy23]

Since Wyndham is in the process of culling low occupancy resorts, one place might have been missed -- Galena, IL. Granted the town has tons of history but I wouldn't think the resort has a high occupancy rate. Being three hours from Chicago maybe keeps it busy?

That one is also in WorldMark, I believe. I have no desire to stay there, but I know there are TUG members who love that one.

 

[chapjim]

That one is also in WorldMark, I believe. I have no desire to stay there, but I know there are TUG members who love that one.

Like Bentley Brook, Fairfield Bay and Glade, Patriot's Place, Skyline Tower, etc. But apparently there aren't enough people who love any of those to keep them running.

 

[RENTER]

That's also one resort (Fairfield Bay). At arguably the least attractive resort in the entire system. BFE Arkansas.

Unless there's a total solar eclipse passing over the resort, I can't think of a reason to vacation there.

It's really an outlier in this conversation about whether or not resorts are truly viable anymore. And this one, and Fairfield Glade I think you could see as no-brainer's long term if you think about viability as resorts. At least the Glade had golf.

I just looked at Fairfield Bay for the first time. How sad. If Wyndham worked with us after establishing the owner priority period, we could have filled up the resort for them with renters while buying more points at that resort. Our 50 state 52-week rental strategy was a total success without the need of needing prime resorts during prime dates. Same with the other slow resorts.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I feel really badly for the people who took our ownerships at Fairfield Bay that we gave away 2.5 years ago. Some actually bought for the location, as it was close to family, close to home, etc.

 

[CO skier]

Look at it like this, most of us were fighting for a finite number of spots at high demand resorts for prime dates (Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, etc) at exactly the 10 month mark. That inventory we were expecting to be there at 10 months to the day, is going to be booked up by new access owners at some point before the 10 month mark even hits.

Those owners don't have to stay up at midnight at the 10 month mark, they can book 12 months and 3 weeks out.

Watch, its gonna happen.

What you are really missing is that owners who take the CWA swap will be "fighting" only with other CWA owners for "spots at high demand resorts for prime dates." There will be zero increased competition for Advance Reservation Priority with regard to owners deeded at a specific resort. Deeded ARP and CWA ARP are two different buckets of inventory.

You do know sales is selling CWA memberships every day of the year? I have not seen any posts about the lack of CWA ARP availability over the last ten years. The number of owners who will choose to accept the CWA swap will be dwarfed by the corporate annual CWA sales.

 

[hjsweet2002]

Has any owner of Bentley Brook receive notice of HOA meeting to vote on closure

 

[CO skier]

Since Wyndham is in the process of culling low occupancy resorts, one place might have been missed -- Galena, IL. Granted the town has tons of history but I wouldn't think the resort has a high occupancy rate. Being three hours from Chicago maybe keeps it busy?

As another example of how transparent Wyndham is with WorldMark members, there are 69 WorldMark units at Galena, IL.

69 units * 50 weeks * 7 nights/week = 24,150 unit nights

In 2024 there were 1292 vacant nights Sun. through Thurs. and 328 vacant nights Fri. & Sat.

That works out to a 6.7% vacancy rate, or 92.3% occupancy rate.

 

[chapjim]

As another example of how transparent Wyndham is with WorldMark members, there are 69 WorldMark units at Galena, IL.

69 units * 50 weeks * 7 nights/week = 24,150 unit nights

In 2024 there were 1292 vacant nights Sun. through Thurs. and 328 vacant nights Fri. & Sat.

That works out to a 6.7% vacancy rate, or 92.3% occupancy rate.

Amazing! Never would have thought it. That kind of statistic would have been nice to have in trying to analyze all the Wyndham "transitions."

From what I can see, the town is old. Lots of old buildings, churches, shops, hotels, etc. Ulysses S. Grant lived there. So, it's a place for history buffs. That brings people once but why do they go back? I thought it would be like Mount Rushmore -- once you've seen it there's not much reason to go see it again.

(It's actually 93.3% occupancy rate.)

 

[chapjim]

If only Wyndham had known about RENTER and his Gang of 102, this thread wouldn't exist!

 

[CO skier]

(It's actually 93.3% occupancy rate.)

That is what I get for using my head instead of a calculator.

 

[Floridaman76]

Pick your resort(s) as the poster child for this (nonexistent) "phenomenon." So take some reference points now and let us compare the 13 month availability in a year.

This reminds me a lot about when WorldMark changed the less than 7 night minimum from a 90-day booking window to 10 months -- all kind of wailing and gnashing of teeth about "there go the weekends at 10 months." Turns out all the popular weekends were already booking before 10 months, and the change had zero effect on weekend availability.

The fact that you believe it won't happen shows your ignorance of how the system works. You aren't an owner and have no skin in the game, and apparently don't know how our system works. It's obvious by your posts.

You have a subset of thousands of owners who curently can book anywhere at 10 months, and their home resort at 13 months. Those who are staying, now have the ability to book at 13 months.

It doesn't take much intellect to figure out that will make some dates much harder or inpossible to book for existing owners who can't book till 10 months because they are sucking up inventory that could have been available at the 10 month mark.

 

[Floridaman76]

What you are really missing is that owners who take the CWA swap will be "fighting" only with other CWA owners for "spots at high demand resorts for prime dates." There will be zero increased competition for Advance Reservation Priority with regard to owners deeded at a specific resort. Deeded ARP and CWA ARP are two different buckets of inventory.

You do know sales is selling CWA memberships every day of the year? I have not seen any posts about the lack of CWA ARP availability over the last ten years. The number of owners who will choose to accept the CWA swap will be dwarfed by the corporate annual CWA sales.

I'm not missing out on that point at all. It's valid, but not as significant as you may think, it's also different than the point I was trying to make and I did not specifically call that out.

I will say, it may create SOME pressure for deeded owners at certain resorts. For example, say Steamboat for ski season, Park City perhaps, same. But something you may not know is that resorts which have access inventory, usually only have a smaller percentage of inventory available to CWA at 13-10 months. So deeded owners would not be figting CWA owners to get their stays. The percentage of inventory that is in CWA at each resort, I have been told varies wildly.

Most of the owners here at TUG own deeded somewhere, and can book at 10 months everywhere. Deeded owners trying to book at places other than their home resort are the ones which will see the impact of this swap outside of the ARP period.

Its the rest of the inventory which everyone fights for at 10 months which I believe will be at a premium.

 

[CO skier]

Most of the owners here at TUG own deeded somewhere, and can book at 10 months everywhere. Deeded owners trying to book at places other than their home resort are the ones which will see the impact of this swap outside of the ARP period.

Its the rest of the inventory which everyone fights for at 10 months which I believe will be at a premium.

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ALL the owners at the closing resorts ALREADY can "book at places other than their home resort" at 10 months (Right?), so the only difference after the resort closings will be FEWER owners "fighting" for "the inventory which everyone fights for at 10 months" as a result of owners choosing to exit Club Wyndham instead of taking the CWA swap. Right?

 

[CO skier]

You have a subset of thousands of owners who curently can book anywhere at 10 months, and their home resort at 13 months. Those who are staying, now have the ability to book at 13 months.

But ONLY in the subset of CWA inventory(!!!) during ARP at 10-13 months does it make a difference. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR]

 

[Floridaman76]

But ONLY in the subset of CWA inventory(!!!) during ARP at 10-13 months does it make a difference. I will put this on repeat until (maybe) you understand "your ignorance of how the system works."

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Is it going to affect all properties, all the time? Absolutely not. I made a couple examples which you convieniently ignore to try to win an argument you have no business even arguing, and it doesn't affect you.

 

[comicbookman]

Says someone who isn't even an owner, stay in your lane, pal. It's going to have an effect on bookings, if you can't wrap your brain around it, maybe stick to what you know about, which is Worldmark. Where none of this matters because everyone has the same booking window.

Is it going to affect all properties, all the time? Absolutely not. I made a couple examples which you convieniently ignore to try to win an argument you have no business even arguing, and it doesn't affect you.

Now who has to have the last word? He refuted your examples and is fully conversant in the Wyndham system. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR] The "thousands of owners" is a very tiny subset of the over all membership. Sales has been selling the crap out of CWA for years and it really hasn't had an impact. The only thing that has had a demonstratable impact is the mega renters. If Renter is to be believed (which is a stretch, I admit) A cabal of over 100 owners owning a ton of points has been making a huge profit off of these resorts. They are not taking the swap. So your subset is probably much smaller than you think.

 

[CO skier]

Now who has to have the last word?

Exactly, and the worst part is how wrong Floridaman76's posts have been throughout this thread, but he just cannot seem to acknowledge it. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR]

He refuted your examples and is fully conversant in the Wyndham system.

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[CO skier]

Says someone who isn't even an owner,

I am a Club Wyndham Access owner. I am not the least bit worried about ANY new Club Wyndham Access owners, from the resort swaps or corporate sales, affecting Advance Reservation Priority "competition."

 

[comicbookman]

I am a Club Wyndham Access owner. I am not the least bit worried about ANY new Club Wyndham Access owners, from the resort swaps or corporate sales, affecting Advance Reservation Priority "competition."

Once again floridaman76, your assertions are completely wrong. Does that ever get old?

 

[Arimaas]

I think maybe you don't understand how it works or don't grasp what's coming.

These owners largely weren't staying at the resorts which are closing, although certainly some were. But they were booking at other resorts at some point after the 10 month mark passes.

They will now have the ability to book those locations at 13 months instead of < 10 months. There will be pressure on high demand dates.

Look at it like this, most of us were fighting for a finite number of spots at high demand resorts for prime dates (Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, etc) at exactly the 10 month mark. That inventory we were expecting to be there at 10 months to the day, is going to be booked up by new access owners at some point before the 10 month mark even hits.

Those owners don't have to stay up at midnight at the 10 month mark, they can book 12 months and 3 weeks out.

Watch, its gonna happen.

Right. I’m not taking the CWA swap from my 154k Fairfield Glade (which I still haven’t heard anything from by the way, despite that resort breaking the news). However, if I did take the swap, I now gave myself a 3 month head start on all the CWA inventory. I never stayed at FG, so those 154k points were only good to me ten months out.

Either way, I’m not certain that many of thr folks that take the swap really know the system or know what they are doing, so I’m not sure how much of an impact it will have. Another we will have to wait and see, I suppose.

 

[afk324]

I have basic question. What owner options are expected for CWS Select contracts ( converted fix weeks to points ) ? Select contracts already provide points to make reservations across available Wyndham Resorts.

 

[bizaro86]

I have basic question. What owner options are expected for CWS Select contracts ( converted fix weeks to points ) ? Select contracts already provide points to make reservations across available Wyndham Resorts.

1) swap to club wyndham access points.

2) exit the timeshare and take your pro-rata share of the proceeds after all expenses are paid.

 

[Floridaman76]

Now who has to have the last word? He refuted your examples and is fully conversant in the Wyndham system. I would suggest you should stay in your lane, but you probably haven't made one up yet. The "thousands of owners" is a very tiny subset of the over all membership. Sales has been selling the crap out of CWA for years and it really hasn't had an impact. The only thing that has had a demonstratable impact is the mega renters. If Renter is to be believed (which is a stretch, I admit) A cabal of over 100 owners owning a ton of points has been making a huge profit off of these resorts. They are not taking the swap. So your subset is probably much smaller than you think.

He provided incorrect "refutions" to my factual statemets.

Logical fallacy. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR]

 

[Floridaman76]

Once again floridaman76, your assertions are completely wrong. Does that ever get old?

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[Floridaman76]

I am a Club Wyndham Access owner. I am not the least bit worried about ANY new Club Wyndham Access owners, from the resort swaps or corporate sales, affecting Advance Reservation Priority "competition."

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The context I was speaking of was how the increase in CWA owners which were previously deeded is going to affected deeded owners ability to book certain resorts at the 10 month mark due to their newfound increwase in ARP...

[CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR] or purposely creating a logical fallacy to try to win your argument

Either way, you are wrong. [CONTENT REMOVED BY FORUM MODERATOR]