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Ok, call us crazy ... our journey to 1 million HH points via HGV Owner Updates ...

that "PPP" in upper right corner tells a story. Is that a std term? I haven't heard anyone use it. $10.89 = the Adj PP divided by the #Pts
The real gotcha down at the bottom: Monthly Collection = $6. wazzupwiddat?

it is truly mind-boggling. neither the purchase $s nor the MF liability make sense absent the other one, but somebody would sign up to PAY BOTH!
 
On the plus side, if Johnny made the purchase with his Aspire card, he would fast-track the road to a million points...
 
that "PPP" in upper right corner tells a story. Is that a std term? I haven't heard anyone use it. $10.89 = the Adj PP divided by the #Pts
The real gotcha down at the bottom: Monthly Collection = $6. wazzupwiddat?

it is truly mind-boggling. neither the purchase $s nor the MF liability make sense absent the other one, but somebody would sign up to PAY BOTH!
That maintenance fee is attractive on the 11,200 points @0.36875. It would be hard to even give this away after I bought it.

Let’s see, two Aspire Cards x $50k credit limit each … I may need to re-open my Surpass card. $121,968 x 14 HH = 1,707,552 HH and I can finance it on my credit cards to make more HH points. Does this count towards my Journey? I’ll be a multimillionaire four times over. 🤑 If only the VC would have presented it this way based on my needs I may have jumped.
 
JohnnyO, you must have a tremendous amount of patience to be able to sit thru a two hours timeshare presentation or any timeshare presentation. Imho.
 
JohnnyO, you must have a tremendous amount of patience to be able to sit thru a two hours timeshare presentation or any timeshare presentation. Imho.
Rarely has it been two hours. The last one was a record 15 minutes of VC time. OU’s only 60 minutes and we set a timer. ⏲️
 
? Since Hilton bought blue green
Does that qualify me for owners uodate?
 
JohnnyO, when you hit the 1 million mark/ plateau, will this be in the Guinness Book of World Records.
 
Rarely has it been two hours. The last one was a record 15 minutes of VC time. OU’s only 60 minutes and we set a timer. ⏲️
To be honest ninety (90) minutes, is just to much to heard so many false statements. IMO.

Example: this is an investment.
 
To be honest ninety (90) minutes, is just to much to heard so many false statements. IMO.

Example: this is an investment.
The last 3 or 4 "owner updates" we went to, I don't recall hearing anything that was false. Definitely some exaggerations and best case scenarios not revealed as such. But nothing patently false. I also think that 90 minutes is too long. Our last several have been 15-30 minutes, with most of that being non-timeshare chit chat. I can handle that for the $200 in Elevated Rewards Dollars we got in NYC. Mrs. brp has nixed all future attendance, but I'd go for the right offer...and simply make it end soon. But I'd not make it a quest and do it this often. My time is definitely worth more than that. YMMV.

Cheers.
 
The last 3 or 4 "owner updates" we went to, I don't recall hearing anything that was false....
As near as I can tell from reading of other's experiences, the most common flat out lies told by HGVC salesreps involve saying that HGVC resale buyers can't do this, that, or the other thing. From panicked questions in another forum it does appear to put the 'fear of resale' into newbies...but the reps know there isn't much sense in trying to tell you that you can't do what you've probably already done many times.
 
For me I don't know if they are blatant lies. They were exaggerations, speculation about the future that was not yet announced but presented as fact e.g. there will be more properties in major cities or lack of training/misunderstanding nuances of the rules. A rep once showed me words on their information that said that Craig Lodges were eligible for elite status. He took that to mean that they also would count for MAX tiers if we purchased that day. He was likely wrong but I certainly was not going to test it. :)
 
As near as I can tell from reading of other's experiences, the most common flat out lies told by HGVC salesreps involve saying that HGVC resale buyers can't do this, that, or the other thing. From panicked questions in another forum it does appear to put the 'fear of resale' into newbies...but the reps know there isn't much sense in trying to tell you that you can't do what you've probably already done many times.
Did your TS salesperson tell you this was a great vacation investment and that you can passed it down to your children? Did your TS saleperson tell you, the price you pay from the developer will or could be 90% less if you purchase the same timeshare resale?

But did you TS saleperson tell you anything about the resale value or how hard it is sale a timeshare?

Did you TS saleperson tell you that you; you must pay Hilton to take back your timeshare, wants you have paid off the mortage ?

I forgot the TS saleperson lips were moving and they forgot to mention these little things: doing the sale presentation. LOL
 
Did your TS salesperson tell you this was a great vacation investment and that you can passed it down to your children? Did your TS saleperson tell you, the price you pay from the developer will or could be 90% less if you purchase the same timeshare resale?...
In my mind there is a world of difference between the sin of omission of never mentioning that resale exists and flat out lying about what buying resale entails.

Just as I don't expect an auto dealer's rep to mention a vehicle's poor MPG or safety rating or consumer reports reviews, or a real estate agent to mention a home's lousy school district or late night freight trains or congested morning commute, a timeshare salesrep who accurately describes the virtues of owning HGVC without mentioning that it can be done for far less is in my mind 'honest'. Finding out about the pitfalls of one's purchase - ideally before purchasing but at least during the rescission period - is on the buyer. Caveat emptor.

But saying that resale HGVC deeds can't be converted into HHonors points or only allow the owner to book their Home Resort or can't be combined with their existing HGVC ownership to make Club Reservations is a different story.
 
The total purchase was $121k. They asked for a $24k+ down payment. Retail insanity. People agree to this and think it’s a good deal????
I'd say only because they don't know better. I just laugh at the high retail prices. But they flim flam people - I think I posted about a Wyndham update where they made a "plausible argument" that falls apart if you can think for a minute or two but they talk so much you can't focus to realize what they're saying if you're not primed to expect that - which the wider tour people aren't.

The "argument" was something like - you spend ~$5,000 a year on extra vacations, rentals, hotels etc. You could therefore expect to spend $50,000 over 10 years. You (me being in my early 40s) expect to travel like this for those 10 years and likely longer. So $44,000 for points now is a savings over 10 years and you don't have to keep dealing with RCI etc. And RCI prices go up over time.

It probably works with some people. There's obvious things that make it not true, but those sorts of talking points make people think it *is* a good deal. I think it's also the case that as people who've had timeshares for a while and run numbers show - it's not outside the realm of possibility for retail to break even at 10 years either - at least compared to roughly equivalent hotels or RVs. So some of those buyers are only missing the knowledge of resale making it a bad deal. IMO.
 
The "argument" was something like - you spend ~$5,000 a year on extra vacations, rentals, hotels etc. You could therefore expect to spend $50,000 over 10 years. You (me being in my early 40s) expect to travel like this for those 10 years and likely longer. So $44,000 for points now is a savings over 10 years and you don't have to keep dealing with RCI etc. And RCI prices go up over time.
This was the original sales pitch to us a decade ago when we first bought retail (yeah, I know). we were younger, had 2 young kids, love to travel, and the presentation of "do you love your family and want to commit to the memory-making fun of travel? well, prices go up, but you are fixing your rates now..."

Of course, they glossed over the MF and the high interest charge in the entire "investment" presentation. we paid cash so the interest rate wasn't a thing for us, but the MF certainly have been. Of course, with resell, we make it work really well for us now... :)
 
For me I don't know if they are blatant lies. They were exaggerations, speculation about the future that was not yet announced but presented as fact e.g. there will be more properties in major cities or lack of training/misunderstanding nuances of the rules. A rep once showed me words on their information that said that Craig Lodges were eligible for elite status. He took that to mean that they also would count for MAX tiers if we purchased that day. He was likely wrong but I certainly was not going to test it. :)
Oh no, promises made but not kept falls into the category of lies!
 
I checked into Ocean Oak on Saturday and skipped talking with the concierge during that process. So far I haven’t received any phone calls or notes from the concierge about attending an OU “to hear about all of the new ownership features”. Maybe they have finally figured out that I won’t be buying retail.

Now if I could get an “ultimate experience event” such as dolphin sunset seafood dinner cruise similar to @HuskerATL for my group of 12, I would certainly attend.
 
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