8/24/22 NEW THREAD: Discussion of new Abound/VSN Documents [please limit chitchat posts]

[needvaca]

Abound seems to have taken everything good, functional, transparent, and user friendly about the VSN network and tossed it out the window.
Such a disappointment.

 

[CPNY]

Abound seems to have taken everything good, functional, transparent, and user friendly about the VSN network and tossed it out the window.
Such a disappointment.

The vistana UI is much much much better. It’s a shame that MVC execs admitted to Vistana IT being superior…. Yet they didn’t actually take the technology and implement it on the Marriott side.

 

[dsmrp]

The vistana UI is much much much better. It’s a shame that MVC execs admitted to Vistana IT being superior…. Yet they didn’t actually take the technology and implement it on the Marriott side.

Hypothetically it probably would have taken years to convert Marriott UI to Vistana's. Look how long it took to integrate Vistana which is a smaller user base than MVC.

At least we still have Vistana UI for star options reservations.

 

[CPNY]

Hypothetically it probably would have taken years to convert Marriott UI to Vistana's. Look how long it took to integrate Vistana which is a smaller user base than MVC.

At least we still have Vistana UI for star options reservations.

Great point

 

[DavidnRobin]

Hypothetically it probably would have taken years to convert Marriott UI to Vistana's. Look how long it took to integrate Vistana which is a smaller user base than MVC.

At least we still have Vistana UI for star options reservations.

Or…
Create an entirely new UI using current technologies vs. current one based on technology from the 1990s.

IMO - this was a mistake by Marriott and will cost them more in the long run on multiple levels.
And I think they will be forced into eventually.


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[Westnick]

I am chairman level and all 4 of my mandatory resale units qualified for club points. Do they now also qualify to change to bonvoy points?

 

[byeloe]

I am chairman level and all 4 of my mandatory resale units qualified for club points. Do they now also qualify to change to bonvoy points?

yes, I believe they do

 

[dioxide45]

I am chairman level and all 4 of my mandatory resale units qualified for club points. Do they now also qualify to change to bonvoy points?

I am not 100% sure. You can't convert your VOI to Abound then convert that to Bonvoy. It doesn't work like that. You have to convert your VOI to Bonvoy. Being an unqualified week, that may still not be possible. Back with Marriott launched DC to their Marriott owners, one of the selling points for resale owners to pay to enroll (a much higher fee I might add) was that they would then also have the ability to convert their week to Bonvoy points at a time when resale weeks were not eligible for that. Marriott and Vistana have not sold converting a VOI to Bonvoy as a feature to being enrolled in Abound. If they were extending this ability, i would have thought they would have talked it up more.

 

[daviator]

I am not 100% sure. You can't convert your VOI to Abound then convert that to Bonvoy. It doesn't work like that. You have to convert your VOI to Bonvoy. Being an unqualified week, that may still not be possible. Back with Marriott launched DC to their Marriott owners, one of the selling points for resale owners to pay to enroll (a much higher fee I might add) was that they would then also have the ability to convert their week to Bonvoy points at a time when resale weeks were not eligible for that. Marriott and Vistana have not sold converting a VOI to Bonvoy as a feature to being enrolled in Abound. If they were extending this ability, i would have thought they would have talked it up more.

I agree. Abound does not provide a mechanism to convert exchange points to Bonvoy. If your base ownership is Vistana, you have to convert directly from that ownership to Bonvoy points (if you want to do so) and that conversion is only allowed for developer purchases or resales that have been requalified through another developer purchase.

Marriott gave a big gift to resale owners by letting them participate in Abound, probably because they wanted more VOIs in the exchange pool, and because they thought that allowing those owners to participate in Abound would give MVC a hook to sell them more points in the future. But there's really no advantage to MVC in allowing Bonvoy conversions by resale owners, and I suspect that such owners are still going to be unable to do so.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I am not 100% sure. You can't convert your VOI to Abound then convert that to Bonvoy. It doesn't work like that. You have to convert your VOI to Bonvoy. Being an unqualified week, that may still not be possible. Back with Marriott launched DC to their Marriott owners, one of the selling points for resale owners to pay to enroll (a much higher fee I might add) was that they would then also have the ability to convert their week to Bonvoy points at a time when resale weeks were not eligible for that. Marriott and Vistana have not sold converting a VOI to Bonvoy as a feature to being enrolled in Abound. If they were extending this ability, i would have thought they would have talked it up more.

It looks as if I can convert my resale Mandatory to BonVoy points - at least the online option is available. I didn’t go through to end, but looks like they do when selected.
Not that I would.


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[kozykritter]

I am chairman level and all 4 of my mandatory resale units qualified for club points. Do they now also qualify to change to bonvoy points?

There was a mention of it in the Vistana email sent in September informing owners that mandatory resales would be eligible for Abound. The wording was something to the effect that those ownerships would likely be eligible to convert to Bonvoy points sometime in the future. No further details were given.

 

[daviator]

It looks as if I can convert my resale Mandatory to BonVoy points - at least the online option is available. I didn’t go through to end, but looks like they do when selected.
Not that I would.


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If they've really given that option to resale owners, that's an even bigger gift. And I suppose I'd be pretty unhappy if I'd recently spent money to requalify a Vistana resale purchase, if they essentially just gave that to everyone else for nothing!

 

[DavidnRobin]

If they've really given that option to resale owners, that's an even bigger gift. And I suppose I'd be pretty unhappy if I'd recently spent money to requalify a Vistana resale purchase, if they essentially just gave that to everyone else for nothing!

Resale Voluntary (not requaled) certainly got screwed.

For our Vistana ownership, we started out as 3* and SPG Gold and went to 5* VSN, Chairman MVC and BonVoy Titanium Elite w/o doing anything.
And have 3 VOIs that have pretty good Abound conversion.


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[timsi]

Hypothetically it probably would have taken years to convert Marriott UI to Vistana's. Look how long it took to integrate Vistana which is a smaller user base than MVC.

At least we still have Vistana UI for star options reservations.

There is no evidence that the issue was the number of Marriott UI to Vistana's, rather than competence. Expedia has 3 million lodges in their database, not to mention car rentals, plane tickets etc.

 

[timsi]

Abound seems to have taken everything good, functional, transparent, and user friendly about the VSN network and tossed it out the window.
Such a disappointment.

Marriott has a villa calendar, but they took it away from us!

 

[dioxide45]

It looks as if I can convert my resale Mandatory to BonVoy points - at least the online option is available. I didn’t go through to end, but looks like they do when selected.
Not that I would.


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IIRC, that has always been there. I beleive it was there pre Abound. I never tried it either though. Even on the What I Own page, it also always listed the amount of Bonvoy (or SPG) points that the VOI would convert to, even if eligible mandatory.

 

[DavidnRobin]

IIRC, that has always been there. I beleive it was there pre Abound. I never tried it either though. Even on the What I Own page, it also always listed the amount of Bonvoy (or SPG) points that the VOI would convert to, even if eligible mandatory.

You are correct.
I just went through BV points conversion process for our WKV resale.
Stated it wasn’t eligible.


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[CalGalTraveler]

I called MVC owner services and it says that as a Vistana-only owner with access to enrolled points, we have no MVC number (aka MVC step-children). Therefore although we can elect our points, we have no renting points privilege.

We would need to buy a minimum qualified deed or points package to rent out or rent from MVC owners.

Unclear if my enrolled Vistana points would be requalified to to augment or use for rentals or if two separate accounts/portals. He said it should work but I will believe it when I see it.

 

[dioxide45]

I called MVC owner services and it says that as a Vistana-only owner with access to enrolled points, we have no MVC number (aka MVC step-children). Therefore although we can elect our points, we have no renting points privilege.

We would need to buy a minimum qualified deed or points package to rent out or rent from MVC owners.

Unclear if my enrolled Vistana points would be requalified to to augment or use for rentals or if two separate accounts/portals. He said it should work but I will believe it when I see it.

You do have an MVC owner number, but it isn't seen unless you can get your hands on some paperwork from a sales presentation. I beleive some people here have that and tried to sign up for an MVC account, but it failed. I wonder if someone could try a small point transfer to that owner number and see if it works. Sometimes the only way to see if things work is to try it, front line people are usually clueless in the smaller nuances.

 

[HankW]

You do have an MVC owner number, but it isn't seen unless you can get your hands on some paperwork from a sales presentation. I beleive some people here have that and tried to sign up for an MVC account, but it failed. I wonder if someone could try a small point transfer to that owner number and see if it works. Sometimes the only way to see if things work is to try it, front line people are usually clueless in the smaller nuances.

Once you go to the MVC site via Vistana.com, select Book Vacation Points Club. Now on the URL, you can see your MVC Owner ID as "VSE&ownerId=0000000000000" A Few months back, I created an MVC account with a User ID and PW on ( https://owners.marriottvacationclub.com/timeshare/mvco/club-resorts ) but was unable to continue the setup until I could provide a good MVC Owner ID. Well, I used the VSE&ownerid I found on the URL and was granted access. Anyway, this is probably too much work to get the same information logging via vistan.com instead of going directly to MVC. I am used to doing this kind of thing due to my job. A small caveat, this works most of the time but it looks like our MVC accounts are not super stable yet.

 

[sponger76]

Once you go to the MVC site via Vistana.com, select Book Vacation Points Club. Now on the URL, you can see your MVC Owner ID as "VSE&ownerId=0000000000000" A Few months back, I created an MVC account with a User ID and PW on ( https://owners.marriottvacationclub.com/timeshare/mvco/club-resorts ) but was unable to continue the setup until I could provide a good MVC Owner ID. Well, I used the VSE&ownerid I found on the URL and was granted access. Anyway, this is probably too much work to get the same information logging via vistan.com instead of going directly to MVC. I am used to doing this kind of thing due to my job.

I did the same thing. But when I log in directly to MVC with the account I set up using that VSE ownerID, I don't actually have access to seeing my points or booking anything.

 

[dioxide45]

Once you go to the MVC site via Vistana.com, select Book Vacation Points Club. Now on the URL, you can see your MVC Owner ID as "VSE&ownerId=0000000000000" A Few months back, I created an MVC account with a User ID and PW on ( https://owners.marriottvacationclub.com/timeshare/mvco/club-resorts ) but was unable to continue the setup until I could provide a good MVC Owner ID. Well, I used the VSE&ownerid I found on the URL and was granted access. Anyway, this is probably too much work to get the same information logging via vistan.com instead of going directly to MVC. I am used to doing this kind of thing due to my job.

This number seems to be different than the one provided in paperwork for sales. IIR, an MCV owner number on that paperwork was only 8 or 9 digits. This one looks to be 13?

 

[dioxide45]

I called MVC owner services and it says that as a Vistana-only owner with access to enrolled points, we have no MVC number (aka MVC step-children). Therefore although we can elect our points, we have no renting points privilege.

We would need to buy a minimum qualified deed or points package to rent out or rent from MVC owners.

Unclear if my enrolled Vistana points would be requalified to to augment or use for rentals or if two separate accounts/portals. He said it should work but I will believe it when I see it.

I beleive the system functions the same regardless if one owns qualified VOIs or unqualified mandatory resale. I think all Club Point transactions go through the "skinnied down" version of the MVC website.

 

[HankW]

I did the same thing. But when I log in directly to MVC with the account I set up using that VSE ownerID, I don't actually have access to seeing my points or booking anything.

Yes, it is pretty buggy. I guess we should be patient and wait for the comms from MVC on accessing directly. Thanks.

 

[HankW]

This number seems to be different than the one provided in paperwork for sales. IIR, an MCV owner number on that paperwork was only 8 or 9 digits. This one looks to be 13?

I used this number as my Owner ID and the account was set up. I guess we can wait for MVC, I was just trying things for fun.