Wyndham eliminating mega-renters

[dgalati]

The non-VIP discount programs are typically offered up when occupancy falls below a certain threshold during certain seasons. Occupancy rates are tracked very closely by Wyndham - the historical occupany data and rolling averages are not hard to find if you know where to look. I've found these datasets many times in the past when the need arose.

Its to fill rooms for owners reservation not as a rental so a owner can profit off of it.

 

[Sandi Bo]

These deals appear to be in the 30 day window. If they let these nights that no one, not even a VIP at 50% from 60 to 30 days out, wants, they die on the vine and non VIPs are using their points for something you might actually have wanted. You had the first shot at anything that hits Deals.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I might have been a bit tongue in cheek - along the vein of other people shouldn't book the rooms in case maybe I want them and don't have my plans firmed up yet. But I do think it waters down the value of VIP if anything. If I were non-VIP it certainly wouldn't incentivize me to purchase VIP (not if I can get discounts without putting out the money). Since my resale points will no longer enjoy the benefits of my VIP discounts, I will be thankful if I see discounts that I can use on my resale points. (There's that what about me angle ).

 

[dgalati]

The thing is, we don't know where the discounted nights/weeks came from. They might have shown up in a search but they could be nights/weeks that fell out of the bottom of Extra Holidays. The point is you can't say "not even a VIP , , , wants." VIPs might never have seen them.

I noticed on at least one of the specials that it only applied to studios. That's pretty easy to understand since the lowest class of unit is what will be left after everyone has done their upgrades.

Who cares where they came from? Bottom line its a benefit for owners to book available inventory at VIP discounts. Wyndham does care to help fill rooms for owners use instead of letting VIP owners renting for a profit. The club was intended. For personal use and not for rentals.

 

[Ty1on]

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I might have been a bit tongue in cheek - along the vein of other people shouldn't book the rooms in case maybe I want them and don't have my plans firmed up yet. But I do think it waters down the value of VIP if anything. If I were non-VIP it certainly wouldn't incentivize me to purchase VIP (not if I can get discounts without putting out the money). Since my resale points will no longer enjoy the benefits of my VIP discounts, I will be thankful if I see discounts that I can use on my resale points. (There's that what about me angle ).

I knew you were lampooning. I thought a very serious response appropriate.

but seriously, what's offered in Deals is mostly the August Indios of the Wyndham world.

 

[am1]

Finally some one understands that availability will be created by the elimination of this loophole. Resale points will now use up to double the number of points if booked in the discount window.

Was Wyndham not paying for the discounts/upgrades for VIPs? (Possibly at subsidized rates) If so Wyndham will be using those points in other ways for them or be able to sell more points that they own/manage.

 

[chapjim]

They are regular units in regular inventory. Are you suggesting there's some special discounted inventory from another source that feeds these non-VIP discounts? I'm almost 100% sure that's not the case.

No, not suggesting anything like that. Special discounted inventory are your words, not mine.

 

[dgalati]

Was Wyndham not paying for the discounts/upgrades for VIPs? (Possibly at subsidized rates) If so Wyndham will be using those points in other ways for them or be able to sell more points that they own/manage.

Now you have the big picture. Follow the money trail always!

 

[paxsarah]

No, not suggesting anything like that. Special discounted inventory are your words, not mine.

I apologize for misreading your meaning, then. I was just really confused about this part, then:

They might have shown up in a search but they could be nights/weeks that fell out of the bottom of Extra Holidays. The point is you can't say "not even a VIP , , , wants." VIPs might never have seen them.

How could VIPs have never seen them? I mean, unless they never looked for them, which I guess is their own problem. It's exactly the same inventory that every VIP has the opportunity to book. As a non-VIP, I certainly have no control over the fact that I might have stumbled across some availability in the one to two dozen resorts on limited special when a VIP hadn't done so (when they had access to discounted inventory at all of those one to two dozen resorts, plus every other resort in the Wyndham system).

 

[chapjim]

I apologize for misreading your meaning, then. I was just really confused about this part, then:

How could VIPs have never seen them? I mean, unless they never looked for them, which I guess is their own problem. It's exactly the same inventory that every VIP has the opportunity to book. As a non-VIP, I certainly have no control over the fact that I might have stumbled across some availability in the one to two dozen resorts on limited special when a VIP hadn't done so (when they had access to discounted inventory at all of those one to two dozen resorts, plus every other resort in the Wyndham system).

I yield! I thought I had a point. I guess not.

 

[cbyrne1174]

@cbyrne1174 has mastered using the system for her travel needs. In the most cost effective way she travels and enjoys the discounts without a sunk cost of buying up to VIP. The only perk she can not receive unless she rents from a VIP is the free room upgrade. But then again I wouldn't be surprised if she received a free room upgrade at check-in a few times.

I get them at BC in the off season. Most of the rooms there are 2 bedrooms. I just have to usually ask if they have an extra one day of, which they usually do.

 

[dgalati]

I get them at BC in the off season. Most of the rooms there are 2 bedrooms. I just have to usually ask if they have an extra one day of, which they usually do.

I have found out it doesn't hurt to ask. It also helps to slip them a $20 to say thank you!

 

[am1]

I have found out it doesn't hurt to ask. It also helps to slip them a $20 to say thank you!

I could not even get a room downgrade sometimes to keep a guest in the same room. Had to go another way about it to get the guest in the same room fit a split stay.

Front desk workers should not be giving out upgrades to anyone unless it helps their inventory or no alternative.

 

[ronparise]

You really should stop posting about what you do not know, because you just keep exposing your complete lack of knowledge about how Club Wyndham works.

Which was the karma in the end?
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I that incident I took your position, ie cancel and rebook is not a benefit anyone paid for.

 

[rickandcindy23]

 

[CO skier]

Then please educate me / or at least explain how this is not one possible outcome.

BUT - it could also result in more unhappy NEW owners.
let's hypothetically assume the majority of the points that will be dumped by "mega renters" filter back to Wyndham AND all are resold
[ie . not put permanently into Extra Holidays] . The result will be more owners chasing the same number of units in prime weeks.

The points dumped by megarenters were used in the 60-day booking window for the 50% VIP discount. The new owners will book at full points costs, leaving 50% more availability somewhere in the points system.

The new owners will book for their family vacations (happy owners). Existing owners will book the other half of the availability for their family vacations (more happy owners).

 

[CO skier]

Which was the karma in the end?

I that incident I took your position, ie cancel and rebook is not a benefit anyone paid for.

I was thinking along the line of, "Why was someone who was so "respected" on TUG barred from listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement and unceremoniously shown the exit door from Club Wyndham and blacklisted from ever owning Club Whyndham again?

 

[dgalati]

I was thinking along the line of, "Why was someone who was so "respected" on TUG barred from listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement and unceremoniously shown the exit door from Club Wyndham and blacklisted from ever owning Club Whyndham again?

In retrospect Wyndham actually did @ronparise a favor. Especially considering the changes they implemented to eliminate rentals.

 

[paxsarah]

I was thinking along the line of, "Why was someone who was so "respected" on TUG barred from listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement

As I understand the story it must have been out of an overabundance of caution, since Ron was exceedingly forthright about the lack of available points on an otherwise very low-MF contract. There was nothing shady about it.

and unceremoniously shown the exit door from Club Wyndham and blacklisted from ever owning Club Whyndham again?

I’m sure there are a lot of reasons, not least of which being that in using Wyndham’s system exactly as they designed it, he cost them a crapton of money. He also explained to them exactly how he did it, which was to Wyndham’s benefit in later system changes.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I was thinking along the line of, "Why was someone who was so "respected" on TUG barred from listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement and unceremoniously shown the exit door from Club Wyndham and blacklisted from ever owning Club Whyndham again?

I didn't see anything about all of that. What do you know that others do not know?

 

[55plus]

I didn't see anything about all of that. What do you know that others do not know?

It's spelled out in some previous threads. I don't recall how far back. Basically, what Ron did was make lemonade out of lemons, so to speak.

 

[dgalati]

It's spelled out in some previous threads. I don't recall how far back. Basically, what Ron did was make lemonade out of lemons, so to speak.

What Ron did was all within Wyndham rules at the time. He worked the system to his advantage just like the current VIP owners did using resale points with VIP discounts and benefits. Unfortunately all good things come to a end and the choice is to adapt and change strategy or throw on the towel and tap out. Ron had the advantage of Wyndham forcing his hand early on. With the changes that have come into play he would of been forced to exit eventually without any compensation.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

.........listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement

I didn't see anything about all of that. What do you know that others do not know?

It's spelled out in some previous threads. I don't recall how far back. Basically, what Ron did was make lemonade out of lemons, so to speak.

The listing was in the TUG - free timeshare sub - forum ( 2014/ 15 era)
It was for a free Wyndham Canterbury / approx - 400 K points.

The catch ( which @ronparise noted emphatically) was that you would have to pay MF for about 2 years before your (future year) points would be available.

A TUG member grabbed it & was quite happy .At the time the eBay bid prices for a similar fully point loaded Canterbury significantly exceeded what the 2 year MF would be. Basically the new owner received a great ownership with zero upfront cost & only monthly payments required once transferred by Wyndham. Sort of a no money down Xmas lay way plan TS.

What made this famous on TUG was the - " was it really free" postings that made it likely the longest giveaway thread in TUG history .

It was subsequently decided that to meet the requirement of the giveaway forum only costs such as transfer fees could be required of a "new owner"
and that usage had to commence within certain parameters.

<I am sure moderator @DeniseM remembers it fondly>
.

 

[dgalati]

The listing was in the TUG - free timeshare sub - forum ( 2014/ 15 era)
It was for a free Wyndham Canterbury / approx - 400 K points.

The catch ( which @ronparise noted emphatically) was that you would have to pay MF for about 2 years before your(future year) points would be available.

A TUG member grabbed it & was quite happy .At the time the eBay bid prices for a similar fully point loaded Canterbury significantly exceeded what the 2 year MF would be. Basically the new owner received a great ownership with zero upfront cost & only monthly payments required once transferred by Wyndham. Sort of a no money down Xmas lay way plan TS.

What made this famous on TUG was the - " was it really free" postings that made it likely the longest giveaway thread in TUG history .

It was subsequently decided that to meet the requirement of the giveaway forum only costs such as transfer fees could be required of a "new owner"
and that usage had to commence within certain parameters.

<I am sure moderator @DeniseM remembers it fondly>
.

Free is free it two people agree to a purchase price of $0 and the owner assumes paying maintenance fees at time of transfer. Does anyone really care how much it costs for the burden of paying maintenance fees? Owners are paying them now and some can not use all their points.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Free is free it two people agree to a purchase price of $0 and the owner assumes paying maintenance fees at time of transfer. Does anyone really care how much it costs for the burden of paying maintenance fees? Owners are paying them now and some can not use all their points.

Specific to the (free / give away) sub- forum there are TUG rules on what constitutes a giveaway. Those rules were further clarified after the Canterbury listing. The transaction with the new owner was done via the giveaway sub-forum.

Postscript -
If you wish to "sell" a TS for a penny or more , with details listed on when future useage starts and when MF starts and the specifics do not qualify for the giveaway sub-forum ; there is also TUG Marketplace.
Within Marketplace you can find the $500 or less category.

 

[ronparise]

This just confirms your complete lack of knowledge of how the August changes to the VIP program will put more owners and fewer renters on vacation in Club Wyndham.

Do you really believe that

I was thinking along the line of, "Why was someone who was so "respected" on TUG barred from listing stripped Wyndham accounts in the TUG bargain basement and unceremoniously shown the exit door from Club Wyndham and blacklisted from ever owning Club Wyndham again?

I thought that the contracts I listed on Tug were bargains. and so did the folks that "bought" them. (I put bought in quotes because the price was $0) I only put the ones that were really good deals on Tug.. I had a buyer for everything. But I thought Id pull the good stuff out and give them to folks on TUG. Unfortunately some on TUG couldnt understand the deal, and complained


Wyndham froze my accounts along with a number of other owners, including some still here in TUG. In my case they said that they were doing an audit, which they never did. I met with some orf their folks, showed them what I was doing and answered all their questions (honestly) .. A couple of days later I got a settlement offer. ... If I signed everything back to Wyndham they wouldnt sue me

My response was..."you guys can do anything you want, but Im not going to make it easy"... "Sue me!" a couple of days later , this time in writing. they said that i should take their generous offer, but if I wanted to make a counter offer I could... Before I could put pen to paper, I got a call from their lawyer, offering to buy everything I owned. their first offer was $0, .. I asked for $We settled somewhere in the middle. I believe that if they thought they could win the lawsuit they threatened, they wouldnt have paid me anything...