Are people stupid?

[Braindead]

Virginia has a stay at home order until June 10. I doubt that we will return to normal by May 1. I believe a vaccine is our best hope and most predict that will be MANY months away.

Would you want to return to work or eat at a restaurant if the virus is still out there?

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong to lift the restrictions May 1st. Simply my opinion, I don’t mean this as a Political statement as I think Governors & Mayors of both Parties will be itching-wanting to open everything up if possible at all.

Everyone will have to make their own decision on when they feel safe to actually sit & eat in a restaurant.

The restriction in place- it will be mandatory to cover your face, if you call that a restriction or law

 

[Braindead]

If a vaccine is actually a year or more away, there’s no way we’re shutting the country down for a year or more.

 

[DaveNV]

I think the point people are ignoring here is that the caseload in the USA is doubling EVERY THREE DAYS. It's easy to throw around statistics that some will die, or to minimize that it's a minor percentage of the population. The larger question is: Are YOU willing to be one of them? What about your spouse, parents, or kids? I know I'm not, and I will do what I can to protect my loved ones. Staying safe at home, and minimizing exposure, will reduce the odds you will become a statistic. That's the best any of us can do.

I'm not foolish enough to presume my household won't be affected by this - we already are, financially, if nothing else. But while we can, and by whatever means we can, I will do everything possible to reduce our risk. A vaccine will be a long ways off. My hope is that those who have recovered from this will have an immunity to it, and won't spread it to others. As more people recover, the risk of catching it is reduced. I want to give this virus time to calm down.

Wishing everyone a safe and healthy home.

Dave

 

[Braindead]

I think the point people are ignoring here is that the caseload in the USA is doubling EVERY THREE DAYS. It's easy to throw around statistics that some will die, or to minimize that it's a minor percentage of the population. The larger question is: Are YOU willing to be one of them? What about your spouse, parents, or kids? I know I'm not, and I will do what I can to protect my loved ones. Staying safe at home, and minimizing exposure, will reduce the odds you will become a statistic. That's the best any of us can do.

I'm not foolish enough to presume my household won't be affected by this - we already are, financially, if nothing else. But while we can, and by whatever means we can, I will do everything possible to reduce our risk. A vaccine will be a long ways off. My hope is that those who have recovered from this will have an immunity to it, and won't spread it to others. As more people recover, the risk of catching it is reduced. I want to give this virus time to calm down.

Wishing everyone a safe and healthy home.

Dave

I agree with everything you stated!! At some point it does become a balancing act for mental health also not just financially-economy

There is another health crises waiting to raise its ugly head if the shut down goes on for too long.
The Covid-19 Crises is going to claim a lot of peoples lives that never had the Virus.

Every loss of life is a tragedy!!

Stay safe everyone !!!

 

[Ken555]

I think May 1st will be the end of all restrictions. The closer May 1 gets the bigger the push will be to open everything up.
The weather will be warming up & the guidelines will be to cover your face—washing your hands numerous times a day.

We won’t reach the apex until end of April in California, and it’s a similar timeline in other regions while still others are in May (especially those who stupidly didn’t trust science and delayed...Florida and Georgia, I’m looking at you). Why would we remove “all restrictions” by May 1st just because it’s no longer expanding exponentially...but continuing to spread? I can see a lessening of restrictions amongst certain industries, but “all restrictions”? Sorry, that’s just nuts.


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[caribbeanqueen]

I agree with everything you stated!! At some point it does become a balancing act for mental health also not just financially-economy

There is another health crises waiting to raise its ugly head if the shut down goes on for too long.
The Covid-19 Crises is going to claim a lot of peoples lives that never had the Virus.

Every loss of life is a tragedy!!

Stay safe everyone !!!

Braindead you bring up a very good point not many are thinking about.
We already had one young man hang himself because he believed he had the virus. Mental health patients are multiplying. Trust me you have hit on an issue that is absolutely going to be very trying for the medical field when their ER beds will be over filed with Covid patients and the mental health people still need medical attention.
Before this virus reared it's ugly head, ER's across the country were filled every day with many mental health patients. You would be amazed how many take up beds in the ERs across the nation. I just retired this past fall and my hospital is a small 100 bed hospital. We had several beds every single day taken by mental health patients. Some were violent due to their not being with it (in reality), some are suicidal, some are not taking their meds, etc.
I hope towns and cities are preparing for this as it will be an issue. As this continues to go on longer and longer you will also see normal everyday people become despondent due to job loss along with money issues, heightened stress and conflict within the family. It is going to be a very bad siituation.

 

[DavidnRobin]

We won’t reach the apex until end of April in California, and it’s a similar timeline in other regions while still others are in May (especially those who stupidly didn’t trust science and delayed...Florida and Georgia, I’m looking at you). Why would we remove “all restrictions” by May 1st just because it’s no longer expanding exponentially...but continuing to spread? I can see a lessening of restrictions amongst certain industries, but “all restrictions”? Sorry, that’s just nuts.


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Let’s not forget about managing the rebound effect as clean populations are contaminated through community spread as compliancy wanes - before herd immunity develops and/or vaccines are available.
No time soon...

This is important to us because our elderly MIL, that we are now caring for, will be a severe risk for infection likely for months to come.


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[Ken555]

Let’s not forget about managing the rebound effect as clean populations are contaminated through community spread as compliancy wanes - before herd immunity develops and/or vaccines are available.
No time soon...

This is important to us because our elderly MIL, that we are now caring for, will be a severe risk for infection likely for months to come.


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Exactly. The only way to assure you don’t catch this is to stay home, restrict access to only those who live there, and don’t leave. The excuses for leaving are just absurd. Sure, we are going to have lots of issues in future - economic, mental health, etc. That’s a given, and many of us recognized that in Feb! But, my opinion is that we should do absolutely everything possible to make sure as many people survive first...and then we will deal with ramifications. Our country is already on an Italy path when we had MONTHS notice and did almost nothing, and that same attitude will simply extend this and make it much more painful if we end SAH too early. Trust the scientists and ignore the politicians (all of them, I don’t care who they are).


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[TravelTime]

Exactly. The only way to assure you don’t catch this is to stay home, restrict access to only those who live there, and don’t leave. The excuses for leaving are just absurd. Sure, we are going to have lots of issues in future - economic, mental health, etc. That’s a given, and many of us recognized that in Feb! But, my opinion is that we should do absolutely everything possible to make sure as many people survive first...and then we will deal with ramifications. Our country is already on an Italy path when we had MONTHS notice and did almost nothing, and that same attitude will simply extend this and make it much more painful if we end SAH too early. Trust the scientists and ignore the politicians (all of them, I don’t care who they are).


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I agree with you that the only way to completely 100% prevent getting sick is to stay at home and stay away from other people. A full quarantine. My question is how long should we do this? As soon as we come out, people will get sick. The argument for SIP/SAH is to slow down the spread of the virus not to eliminate it. How are we going to prevent illness and death until next year when maybe there is a vaccine or treatment, if we are very lucky. Should we all stay home until then?

There are ways to keep yourself safe when we do go out but I won't get into that here. I have mentioned them on other posts.

 

[Ken555]

I agree with you that the only way to completely prevent getting sick is to stay at home and stay away from other people. My question is how long should we do this? As soon as we come out, people will get sick. The argument for SIP/SAH is to slow down the spread of the virus not to eliminate it. How are we going to prevent illness and death until next year when maybe there is a vaccine or treatment, if we are very lucky. Should we all stay home until then?

Lives first. If that means staying home for an extended period, then that’s what it means.

What possible excuse can you have to end this early? Why risk others lives for a walk to the park, or shopping for two items, or going to a movie? Once we pass this initial apex, we have to do everything possible to keep it low and prevent outbreaks. We must reduce the demand on our medical system so that they may resume helping those who need it for non-C19 reasons. If we go out, and others do the same, then it’s likely this will just happen again. In fact, I have no doubt that will happen in many areas anyway, but I see no valid reason to risk your life and those around you by leaving home for anything other than a critical reason.

I simply don’t understand why this is so difficult for some to comprehend. It’s going to be tough, and I’m sympathetic. It’s impacting everyone. Those of us on TUG are fortunate to have homes, and other than critical trips I just don’t see the reason to end this before we have a solution.

At this point I’m planning on staying home for months at minimum, subject to unexpected positive news.


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[DavidnRobin]

Remember that saying about having our health over wealth.
Well... here we are.

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[jeffox]

There is another health crises waiting to raise its ugly head if the shut down goes on for too long.
The Covid-19 Crises is going to claim a lot of peoples lives that never had the Virus.

People without the virus are already dieing due to hospitals being over run with Covid patients. they aren't able to handle the heart attacks, liver failures, OD's, accidents, etc.. So more people getting infected at the same time will help this how?

 

[MrockStar]

Virginia has a stay at home order until June 10. I doubt that we will return to normal by May 1. I believe a vaccine is our best hope and most predict that will be MANY months away.

Would you want to return to work or eat at a restaurant if the virus is still out there?

Already still working essential worker at a 500,000 square Ft prossing/distribution facility 100's of workers here. Practicing social distance, hand washing. Still heathy thank God , some coworkers off 2weeks now. We will see how it all turns out !!??

 

[TravelTime]

I don’t think people are being any more stupid about coronavirus than they are about getting any other disease or taking other risks. One of the worst things for health is unhealthy eating and obesity. It is correlated with many diseases like heart problems, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure and others. Yet people keep overeating and eating junk food. My dad is an example. He has diabetes but is not overweight. But he keeps eating sweets and says what is the point of life if he can‘t eat sweets. He would rather eat sweets than live longer. That is really stupid IMO. I hate the word “stupid” but I am using it because this is the name of the thread. He thinks I am stupid and he says I do not enjoy life because I am careful with what I eat. I tell him the food is not at the center of my universe and there are other ways to enjoy life than overeating or eating sweets and junk food. My dad says the only time his glucose numbers are normal is when he visits me in California. For him, “normal” is still over 100. He still eats sweets at my home but probably less than when he is in Florida.

BTW, people with all of these preventable diseases are more at risk of dying from Covid-19. It’s a double whammy. Eat poorly, get a chronic disease, your immune systems weakens as a result, then Covid-19 comes along And now you are at higher risk of dying from Covid-19. Maybe Covid-19 will kill off all the stupid people. Maybe that is the meaning of this thread. The smart ones will stay at home and take care of themselves to reduce risk factors. At least my father is staying home. He is worried about getting Covid-19 due to his diabetes, and rightly so. But I bet he is still eating sweets!

 

[VacationForever]

People without the virus are already dieing due to hospitals being over run with Covid patients. they aren't able to handle the heart attacks, liver failures, OD's, accidents, etc.. So more people getting infected at the same time will help this how?

That is what our PCP said too. He said to try not to get a stroke or a heart attack, they won't have any ventilators for these folks.

 

[TravelTime]

I think it is really unfair that the government is offering financial assistance for people who get Covid-19 but not for other diseases. Covid-19 is being prioritized above everything else. Really not fair at all.

 

[JanT]

To answer the original question.....yes, yes they are. I can't even believe this woman. This isn't like she had just come back from a trip somewhere. She was actually out covering an area that was a "hot spot" and then throws her 90 year old mom a birthday party?? WTH??? Stupid beyond stupid.

Journalist says she unknowingly infected others with coronavirus at her mom's 90th birthday party. Two died

Journalist Alice Stockton-Rossini hosted a 90th birthday for her mother last month in New Jersey. At the time, the radio host said, she had no idea she'd been infected with coronavirus while covering an outbreak in New Rochelle, New York.

www.cnn.com

 

[Rolltydr]

I think it is really unfair that the government is offering financial assistance for people who get Covid-19 but not for other diseases. Covid-19 is being prioritized above everything else. Really not fair at all.

I think I see your tongue planted firmly in your cheek. But, just in case, the government is offering financial assistance to many large businesses and small business owners who may not have covid-19. They may still lose their businesses because of covid-19. But, is it fair for them to get assistance but not someone who loses a business for any other reason?


Harry

 

[TravelTime]

I think I see your tongue planted firmly in your cheek. But, just in case, the government is offering financial assistance to many large businesses and small business owners who may not have covid-19. They may still lose their businesses because of covid-19. But, is it fair for them to get assistance but not someone who loses a business for any other reason?


Harry

I am not talking about businesses. I am talking about waiving co-pays and offering financial benefits for uninsured people with coronavirus. This is not offered for people with other diseases. I think when this is all over, the government might decide the universal health care is needed. At least one party will lobby for it hard using coronavirus as an example of what happens when people do not have health insurance.

 

[Rolltydr]

I am not talking about businesses. I am talking about waiving co-pays and offering financial benefits for uninsured people with coronavirus. This is not offered for people with other diseases. I think when this is all over, the government might decide the universal health care is needed. At least one party will lobby for it hard using coronavirus as an example of what happens when people do not have health insurance.

And they will have a very good argument.

I know you were talking about individuals, but the money in the stimulus bill is also for businesses so I was trying to make a correlation. Apparently, I failed.


Harry

 

[VacationForever]

I think it is really unfair that the government is offering financial assistance for people who get Covid-19 but not for other diseases. Covid-19 is being prioritized above everything else. Really not fair at all.

It is fair because of the huge number of individuals who have lost their jobs or furloughed and we don't want any of them in the streets or unable to get treatment. We as a nation is in crisis. In normal times if I lose my job I can find another job.

 

[bluehende]

I am not talking about businesses. I am talking about waiving co-pays and offering financial benefits for uninsured people with coronavirus. This is not offered for people with other diseases. I think when this is all over, the government might decide the universal health care is needed. At least one party will lobby for it hard using coronavirus as an example of what happens when people do not have health insurance.

I think they are doing this to ensure those infected get treatment. It is a health concern if for financial reasons the sick do not. Unfortunately many that are still working are paid little and have to make the decision to get treatment and risk 2 week quarantine based on financial reasons.

 

[Braindead]

We won’t reach the apex until end of April in California, and it’s a similar timeline in other regions while still others are in May (especially those who stupidly didn’t trust science and delayed...Florida and Georgia, I’m looking at you). Why would we remove “all restrictions” by May 1st just because it’s no longer expanding exponentially...but continuing to spread? I can see a lessening of restrictions amongst certain industries, but “all restrictions”? Sorry, that’s just nuts.

Remember that saying about having our health over wealth.
Well... here we are.

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There are several things happening that are silly-nuts-stupid.
1. Leaving restaurants open at all. That encourages non essential social interaction. Interaction that wouldn’t take place.
2. Why can Target, Walmart etc sell more than groceries. I’ve seen people looking at cards, a ton of non essential touching of items others will touch.
3. Calling all construction essential. Why can’t a house wait an extra 30 days to close. New Stadium for the Raiders is full speed ahead, essential??

Whether a state is on lockdown or not, this has been a half hearted effort by all states by still allowing a ton of non essential social interaction.
This crises will go on longer & more people will lose their lives than necessary due to the lack of a meaningful LOCKDOWN !!
The economy is being hit worse than if we had a 30 day strict lockdown.
Again not political, red & blue states do not have a hard lockdown in place for the real ESSENTIALS that we all need!!

 

[dioxide45]

1. Leaving restaurants open at all. That encourages non essential social interaction. Interaction that wouldn’t take place.

I think this is to allow restaurants to possibly still earn money while considering and mitigating the risks. If one goes outside for anything, there is a chance that social interaction will take place. I see more social interaction in the grocery store checkout line than just about anywhere else. I don't need a chatty Cathy (apologies to anyone named Cathy) chatting it up with the store clerk in front of me at checkout. Any time the mouth opens, there is chance droplets transfer to a surface and transfer to my food packaging. Should we shut down grocery stores because social interaction can take place?

 

[TravelTime]

Yesterday I had to go out for a medical procedure. I would have never known we had a SIP order. The traffic was the same and parking lots were full.