Are people stupid?

[geekette]

Old enough to know that abandoning our old people is very very very selfish.

I am a few months shy of the post I responded to's limit for being of any value.

But if your asking that you need to know I do have risk factors for higher risk. So does my wife, DIL , son, and grand daughter.

Sending you a hug. I don't think you or your wife are expendable. Stay safe. Ignore selfish idiots that don't think it's fair that you get to enjoy grandchildren.

 

[x3 skier]

If this thread deteriorates to inter generational warfare, I recommend it be closed.

Thanks

 

[bluehende]

I am assuming you are between 65 and 69 based on your reply. That is fine. I am 54. I am not that far off from the high risk group. I just wonder if TUG members are more worried bc they are closer to being high risk. Personally, I have never had much health anxiety so getting sick from coronavirus is not top of mind for me. I do worry about other people in my family but not for myself.

I will highlight the giveaway clue instead of trying to be a smart azz

"Only 11 people out of 1096 deaths were under 65 and had no underlying conditions. The at risk group can stay inside and use instacart. "

This was also the line that triggered me. At this point there is no way to quantify exactly how much risk any factor is. The thing that terrifies me is my DIL and Grand daughter have the very specific risk factor of diabetes. There is no hard number on how much this increases their risk and that is what is so terrifying. It certainly is not from lack of looking. They also live in Boston one of the hotbeds right now. And yes I would burn this earth down to keep them safe.

 

[Gypsy65]

All of this is just a thinning of the herd

Not all that get this will deserve it but I’m thinking many will

 

[Eric B]

I still seeing people playing tennis every day.
....

The county I live in just closed all tennis and pickleball ball courts because they don't meet the social distancing and use of shared equipment guidelines. I believe they're talking about the ball as being the shared equipment. Maybe if people just stayed on opposite sides of the net and didn't use a ball it would be okay....

 

[rapmarks]

I was sent an article last night which tries to make the point that with other virus, they are passed on when the person has symptoms, but the corona virus is passed on before any symptoms are evident .

 

[Brett]

The county I live in just closed all tennis and pickleball ball courts because they don't meet the social distancing and use of shared equipment guidelines. I believe they're talking about the ball as being the shared equipment. Maybe if people just stayed on opposite sides of the net and didn't use a ball it would be okay....

yeah, that would work - but playing without a ball ..... tennis acting !

 

[SteelerGal]

I have to say my community, CA SIP, ppl are adhering. Not the teens as much but it could be worse. Now in LA, police had to break up a baby shower/block party.
I am lucky I can work remotely and our office is closed until end of the month.

 

[Eric B]

yeah, that would work - but playing without a ball ..... tennis acting !

Acting if you make a "pop" noise every time you swing the racket. Otherwise, it's miming....

 

[VegasBella]

The county I live in just closed all tennis and pickleball ball courts because they don't meet the social distancing and use of shared equipment guidelines. I believe they're talking about the ball as being the shared equipment. Maybe if people just stayed on opposite sides of the net and didn't use a ball it would be okay....

Same here. They closed tennis courts and I was surprised because I felt that tennis was low-risk.
They took the basketball hoops off the boards to prevent basketball! But then, unintended consequence was that since the tennis court was locked up and the basketball court had no hoops so no one playing basketball, tennis players went over to the basketball court and played there without a net.
UGH.

Our city is trying really hard to help people have outdoor time at the parks while staying 6 feet or more away from each other, but it just keeps getting complicated. They closed down the playgrounds and wrapped them all up with caution tape. Well, then people tore the caution tape down. One guy was walking around the park with a knife cutting all the caution tape! So then yesterday I saw that they had cops or police video cameras set up at all the parks. They're monitoring the public.

The city has been criticized for allowing people to use the parks and they respond by explaining that outdoor time is necessary for physical and mental health. I agree. Nevada has really high rates of suicide. Plus there is domestic violence and gun violence. Those things are all exacerbated by quarantine. Making people stay home is good to prevent Covid19 but really bad for a lot of other public health issues.

It's all getting really weird.
I'm still taking my dog out for walks. I stay far away from anyone and I wear a mask when I go out. I wipe down my dogs' paws before bringing them back in and I don't let them socialize with other dogs. I spray down my shoes outside before coming in too, and then I wash my hands and change my clothes. I'm avoiding ALL indoor public spaces as much as possible - for instance I'm doing zero grocery shopping that isn't delivery or pickup.

 

[PigsDad]

They closed tennis courts and I was surprised because I felt that tennis was low-risk.

Any activity where you are touching the same object (i.e. tennis ball) with others is definitely not low risk.

Kurt

 

[dioxide45]

Any activity where you are touching the same object (i.e. tennis ball) with others is definitely not low risk.

Kurt

Especially when one is sweating, wiping their face, etc.

 

[dayooper]

Especially when one is sweating, wiping their face, etc.

I was on my Zoom meeting with my class today and caught myself touching my face countless times. Actually seeing your self touch your face makes you realize how often we do it and how hard it is to stop.

 

[Talent312]

Any activity where you are touching the same object (i.e. tennis ball) with others is definitely not low risk.

What if each player brought and only played with their own balls?
Like in golf, the'd have to go get 'em. ... (double entendre not intended)

.

 

[CanuckTravlr]

My simple answer to the OP's original question, "are people stupid?" is, unfortunately for many of them: "Yup!"

We can call them oblivious. We can call them self-entitled. We can call them uninformed. But stupid basically covers it all.

 

[Rolltydr]

What if each player brought and only played with their own balls?
Like in golf, the'd have to go get 'em. ... (double entendre not intended)

.

Maybe not intended, but humorous nonetheless!


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[caribbeanqueen]

Most people are getting the virus through touching or very close proximity to someone with the virus. As for touching a surface someone with covid has touched, there is no data yet on anyone contracting the virus through this method. This is not say not to bother to keep surfaces clean, just what I have read and heard from multiple doctors.
Most people who contract the virus do not need hospital visits or hospitalization. Those who come to the hospital, most are able to leave. Most who are admitted recover and leave. Are there a small percentage who do not? Yes.
If you take care of yourself, use the distancing of 6 feet when you go out and wash your hands frequently your risk will be very low. You cannot control everyone else.
People with autoimmune disease, cancer, diabetes and other such issues have every right to be frightened. I do agree, in essence, that these individuals should stay at home more often and send another loved one out only because this makes more sense to do everything possible to not be in contact with others. Having said that, I also feel they should be able to get out for some fresh air.

I saw a story on a couple who are police officers in NYC. They have their children staying with the grandparents to keep them safe from possibly contracting Covid through their parents. That must be extremely difficult but they are doing what they have to to keep their loved ones safe.
I am not sure what having a baby has to do with the elderly and sick not going out? Every life matters. Every. Single. One.

In my development in Florida ( my vacation home in Island Walk in Venice), they have shut everything down. The pool, the gym, tennis, pickle ball, bocce, all meetings. They did so weeks ago in order to keep the people safe. Some were upset. It is for their own protection and short lived (relatively speaking).
Back home here in the NE people are freaking out and calling police if they see anyone with a NY license plate because technically they are supposed to be self quarantining for two weeks. Many fled here to their summer homes once it was revealed how many were contracting the disease and that it was a hot spot. One poor college girl was yelled at in a grocery store parking lot and the police had to be called. She had been here since September but having NY plates sent people into a tizzy.

People are going overboard and really losing their sh**.
Remember this, MOST people live. The numbers are skewed because there are so many who have it or have had it and were not tested or did not know. Again, I am not saying those who pass are not worth caring about, it is an absolute tragedy for anyone to die from this, just trying to put it into perspective.
I worked in a hospital and cardiologists offices for years and have spoken to several doctors I worked with, one in the emergency room. I talk with many nurses now working on the front lines. Yes this is scary but know they are coming up with many different modalities to treat this virus.
Hope everyone is safe and doing their best through this. Kindness costs nothing.

 

[TravelTime]

Most people are getting the virus through touching or very close proximity to someone with the virus. As for touching a surface someone with covid has touched, there is no data yet on anyone contracting the virus through this method. This is not say not to bother to keep surfaces clean, just what I have read and heard from multiple doctors.
Most people who contract the virus do not need hospital visits or hospitalization. Those who come to the hospital, most are able to leave. Most who are admitted recover and leave. Are there a small percentage who do not? Yes.
If you take care of yourself, use the distancing of 6 feet when you go out and wash your hands frequently your risk will be very low. You cannot control everyone else.
People with autoimmune disease, cancer, diabetes and other such issues have every right to be frightened. I do agree, in essence, that these individuals should stay at home more often and send another loved one out only because this makes more sense to do everything possible to not be in contact with others. Having said that, I also feel they should be able to get out for some fresh air.

I saw a story on a couple who are police officers in NYC. They have their children staying with the grandparents to keep them safe from possibly contracting Covid through their parents. That must be extremely difficult but they are doing what they have to to keep their loved ones safe.
I am not sure what having a baby has to do with the elderly and sick not going out? Every life matters. Every. Single. One.

In my development in Florida ( my vacation home in Island Walk in Venice), they have shut everything down. The pool, the gym, tennis, pickle ball, bocce, all meetings. They did so weeks ago in order to keep the people safe. Some were upset. It is for their own protection and short lived (relatively speaking).
Back home here in the NE people are freaking out and calling police if they see anyone with a NY license plate because technically they are supposed to be self quarantining for two weeks. Many fled here to their summer homes once it was revealed how many were contracting the disease and that it was a hot spot. One poor college girl was yelled at in a grocery store parking lot and the police had to be called. She had been here since September but having NY plates sent people into a tizzy.

People are going overboard and really losing their sh**.
Remember this, MOST people live. The numbers are skewed because there are so many who have it or have had it and were not tested or did not know. Again, I am not saying those who pass are not worth caring about, it is an absolute tragedy for anyone to die from this, just trying to put it into perspective.
I worked in a hospital and cardiologists offices for years and have spoken to several doctors I worked with, one in the emergency room. I talk with many nurses now working on the front lines. Yes this is scary but know they are coming up with many different modalities to treat this virus.
Hope everyone is safe and doing their best through this. Kindness costs nothing.

This is a great reality check. I wish I could have written something like this on the thread I started regarding whether people are over reacting to coronavirus. It was taken to mean I do not care about life. But no, I think like you do. This is a very dangerous virus but most of us will survive. I feel deeply sorry and sad for those who will pass and their family members. I would not wish that on anyone and I take every life seriously. If one of my family members dies from Covid-19, I would be very upset and would not easily dismiss it. But you are right: People are going overboard and losing their sh**. There is a global panic over coronavirus. The CDC is throwing darts at the dartboard with blindfolds on and hoping they hit the bullseye. No one knows what works and no one wants to be responsible so they are telling us to do every possible things to prevent virus transmission without prioritization or scientific evidence. It is a crazy time. It has made me realize that we are all vulnerable and unsafe. Life can change in a minute. So let’s live in the moment and be grateful for what we do have. Let’s show love to our family and friends and help others in need. We do not know what tomorrow holds.

 

[pedro47]

I liked this website because Tuggers enjoy sharing advice and information.

Please be safe and practice social distancing.

I am praying my Commander in Chief will fix me breakfast. LOL

 

[bluehende]

This is a great reality check. I wish I could have written something like this on the thread I started regarding whether people are over reacting to coronavirus. It was taken to mean I do not care about life. But no, I think like you do. This is a very dangerous virus but most of us will survive. I feel deeply sorry and sad for those who will pass and their family members. I would not wish that on anyone and I take every life seriously. If one of my family members dies from Covid-19, I would be very upset and would not easily dismiss it. But you are right: People are going overboard and losing their sh**. There is a global panic over coronavirus. The CDC is throwing darts at the dartboard with blindfolds on and hoping they hit the bullseye. No one knows what works and no one wants to be responsible so they are telling us to do every possible things to prevent virus transmission without prioritization or scientific evidence. It is a crazy time. It has made me realize that we are all vulnerable and unsafe. Life can change in a minute. So let’s live in the moment and be grateful for what we do have. Let’s show love to our family and friends and help others in need. We do not know what tomorrow holds.

I am the one discussing/arguing with you on that thread. I want to assure you that in no way have I ever had a single thought that you did not have the utmost respect for human life. If I gave you the impression I thought that I sincerely apologize. To reassure you I thought the topic was one not only to discuss but a real issue that we will be grappling with in the near future and the answer to that question you asked is by no means settled. I hope you accept my apology and we can continue to debate where in that broad middle we should be.

 

[A.Win]

To play devil's advocate, has it occurred to you that the "stupid", reckless people may be correct?
We are clearly in a very bad position, so we need to pick which option is less damaging for most people.

No sheltering (like Mexico or Sweden) - 1% of the world dies.
Strict SIP for many months - 1% die from violence. 1% die from starvation. More child abuse, domestic disputes, alcoholism, crime, drug usage, depression, etc. etc.

Maybe the first option is better?

 

[Braindead]

I think May 1st will be the end of all restrictions. The closer May 1 gets the bigger the push will be to open everything up.
The weather will be warming up & the guidelines will be to cover your face—washing your hands numerous times a day.

 

[A.Win]

Virginia has a stay at home order until June 10. I doubt that we will return to normal by May 1. I believe a vaccine is our best hope and most predict that will be MANY months away.

Would you want to return to work or eat at a restaurant if the virus is still out there?

 

[WVBaker]

The city of Laredo in Texas is now requiring all residents to wear a mask any time they enter a building that is not their home, or face up to a $1,000 fine.

Texas city moves to fine people who don't cover their faces outside to protect against coronavirus

The city of Laredo in Texas is now requiring all residents to wear a mask any time they enter a building that is not their home, or face up to a $1,000 fine.

www.foxnews.com

Kentucky judges order coronavirus patients, others to wear GPS ankle monitors for refusing to stay home

Kentucky judges order coronavirus patients, others to wear GPS ankle monitors for refusing to stay home

At least four people in Kentucky have been ordered by judges to wear GPS ankle monitors for allegedly defying health officials’ advice to stay home amid the coronavirus outbreak, according to reports.

www.foxnews.com

New Jersey governor says people should practice social distancing with 'other family members' at home

New Jersey governor says people should practice social distancing with 'other family members' at home

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy is suggesting that people should take social distancing to the next level by staying away from family members, even inside their own homes.

www.foxnews.com

 

[WVBaker]

I liked this website because Tuggers enjoy sharing advice and information.

Please be safe and practice social distancing.

I am praying my Commander in Chief will fix me breakfast. LOL

A man who understands the chain of command.