Frustrated with my other half, I just can’t get him to understand the risks

[DaveNV]

Oddly in California, we aren't supposed to go to the dentist unless it's an emergency. The governor said that we could still get our nails done, though. He said even thought it's not exactly 6 feet away from the technician, they usually wear a mask and it was fine to go get nails done.

The opposite here in Washington state. All salons (hair, nails) are closed. Medical offices are open, but on a limited basis, and not for "routine" procedures. My (former employer) hospital and medical centers are closing all non-essential clinics, and are redirecting medical staff and supplies in support of emergent Covid-19 cases and support.

Dave

 

[Panina]

People are still saying " if this continues beyond a few weeks"?! Why USA is in trouble.

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Based on everything we are told it will be beyond a few weeks and the whole world has troubles, we are not alone.

 

[Luanne]

This must be your market as I have never had difficulty getting appointments, sometimes same day. Most always, within 2 weeks.

In our area (Santa Fe) it's also very hard to get an appointment for a teeth cleaning. That and a dermatologist.

 

[Luanne]

The opposite here in Washington state. All salons (hair, nails) are closed. Medical offices are open, but on a limited basis, and not for "routine" procedures. My (former employer) hospital and medical centers are closing all non-essential clinics, and are redirecting medical staff and supplies in support of emergent Covid-19 cases and support.

Dave

Here nail and hair salons are open. Spas are closed. Doctor's offices are open, but they are taking great precautions. In fact our doctor was quoted in the local paper as they are running out of supplies. Dh needed to see them for a follow up and he was told the PA would meet him in the parking lot. They did let him come into the office, but they do have a desk set up outside to screen patients who think they might have COVID-19.

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/n...cle_e53a674c-6a12-11ea-92b2-b330f839e8bb.html

 

[easyrider]

Our Governor in Washington went on air and asked every one to stay at home. Our county has about 20 known cases of c-19 today. One of the large nursing homes has reported a couple of people testing positive for c-19. The percentage of people with c-19 in my area is minuscule, imo. Even so, we are abiding by the Governors request and instead of going out we are staying at home. The administrator at our local hospital went public telling everyone that we have one person in the hospital with c-19, stay at home, they expect many more cases soon and they are only wanting emergencies to come to the hospital at this time.

I wonder how long I can last without going some where ?

Bill

 

[goaliedave]

Based on everything we are told it will be beyond a few weeks and the whole world has troubles, we are not alone.

Ok glad you have taken off the "if". For some reason people are still thinking they will travel in spring and summer lol. in USA many posting ignorant of health experts #s , getting their info other places. Stay safe!

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[goaliedave]

This thing is like the plague. And the thing is most of us will get it anyway once they lift the movement restrictions- IF they ever do. There is no cure or vaccine. And the economy destroyed. Most people lunged into poverty as the market crashes and they lose all their money, businesses and jobs. People will be dying of depression/loneliness/suicide, starvation, and not being able to heat their homes, and other illnesses because they could not see a doctor or dentist. It;s the apocalypse.

This is the cure that is worse than the disease imo.

Agree! So do the health experts and the 50% in USA who listen to them.

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[bbodb1]

Ok glad you have taken off the "if". For some reason people are still thinking they will travel in spring and summer lol. in USA many posting ignorant of health experts #s , getting their info other places. Stay safe!

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@goaliedave We don't have consensus from the health experts at this time either. I agree the prudent play for now is to eliminate all but essential travel, maintain social distance, etc. But this situation is still too fluid to know what next week will bring. We have to be flexible and prepared.

 

[goaliedave]

@goaliedave We don't have consensus from the health experts at this time either. I agree the prudent play for now is to eliminate all but essential travel, maintain social distance, etc. But this situation is still too fluid to know what next week will bring. We have to be flexible and prepared.

My point demonstrated. Sadly.

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[bbodb1]

My point demonstrated. Sadly.

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[CalGalTraveler]

My dental office seemed offended when I called to cancel. I was tempted to say:
"I'd rather have some tooth decay than for your dental hygienist to breathe on me."
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That's outrageous. Did they not get the memo that they are asking dental offices and non-urgent care to cease work and stop consuming PPE so masks and PPE can be redirected to hospitals to keep health workers healthy?

 

[Panina]

Ok glad you have taken off the "if". For some reason people are still thinking they will travel in spring and summer lol. in USA many posting ignorant of health experts #s , getting their info other places. Stay safe!

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This thing is like the plague. And the thing is most of us will get it anyway once they lift the movement restrictions- IF they ever do. There is no cure or vaccine. And the economy destroyed. Most people lunged into poverty as the market crashes and they lose all their money, businesses and jobs. People will be dying of depression/loneliness/suicide, starvation, and not being able to heat their homes, and other illnesses because they could not see a doctor or dentist. It;s the apocalypse.

This is the cure that is worse than the disease imo.

The world and the US have been through horrors and managed to survive after them.

It is what it is now, it is not “if“ a vaccine or treatment comes, it is when.

When this has passed then will will know who was right or wrong. Right now we can only do the best we can with what we have.

I have hope and always will as that is how things get done. Imagine if a scientist said there is no hope and stopped trying to make treatments or a vaccine. The other scientist had hope and believed he could succeed and kept trying. Only in time we would know if he was right or wrong but if he stopped trying it definitely would never happen. To succeed you have to keep trying even if all failed before. I choose hope.

 

[goaliedave]

The world and the US have been through horrors and managed to survive after them.

It is what it is now, it is not “if“ a vaccine or treatment comes, it is when.

When this has passed then will will know who was right or wrong. Right now we can only do the best we can with what we have.

I have hope and always will as that is how things get done. Imagine if a scientist said there is no hope and stopped trying to make treatments or a vaccine. The other scientist had hope and believed he could succeed and kept trying. Only in time we would know if he was right or wrong but if he stopped trying it definitely would never happen. To succeed you have to keep trying even if all failed before. I choose hope.

The "hope" vs. Science debate is older than Moses. Be safe!

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[Panina]

The "hope" vs. Science debate is older than Moses. Be safe!

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Science and hope can go together, Hope is what make scientists keep going.

 

[bbodb1]

The "hope" vs. Science debate is older than Moses. Be safe!

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The problem with the science debate is the misuse of science for nefarious purposes.

 

[IngridN]

I suppose if one believes this pandemic will result in a major world wide depression with most companies declaring bankruptcy, 50% unemployment and the federal government collapsing then, yes - the "doomsday preppers" would be on top and in control.

(I'm not believing in that scenario)

I don't either. Maybe I'm naive or haven't been getting the right news, but my understanding of all of these measures is to 'flatten the curve' so that the medical system doesn't get overwhelmed. i don't think the powers that be are expecting that a lot fewer people will get the virus BUT that by spreading out the rate of infections, the medical system will not be overwhelmed. At some point in time a vaccine will be developed. And we'll have a better understanding of how this, and future, viruses behave. Until we get to that point, there will be a lot of pain.

 

[TravelTime]

This thing is like the plague. And the thing is most of us will get it anyway once they lift the movement restrictions- IF they ever do. There is no cure or vaccine. And the economy destroyed. Most people lunged into poverty as the market crashes and they lose all their money, businesses and jobs. People will be dying of depression/loneliness/suicide, starvation, and not being able to heat their homes, and other illnesses because they could not see a doctor or dentist. It;s the apocalypse.

This is the cure that is worse than the disease imo.

I think things are already pretty bad and will get much worse before it gets better. I do not think accepting reality that things could be very bad means you do not have hope. I am mentally prepared for the worst case scenario while having hope I could be wrong and that things will be better. I do think in a year or two things will pass and be better. But I think it will be a long, slow reccovery. It took many years to recover after the 2008 Great Recession and most experts are now saying this could be worse. This affects everyone in some way, unlike 9/11 or the Great Recession. This is both a health crisis and an economic crisis. I do believe a vaccine will be developed but that will take time. I think the world will look very different after this is over. Hopefully, we will all learn some lessons to handle a future pandemic better.

 

[goaliedave]

I think things are already pretty bad and will get much worse before it gets better. I do not think accepting reality that things could be very bad means you do not have hope. I am mentally prepared for the worst case scenario while having hope I could be wrong and that things will be better. I do think in a year or two things will pass and be better. But I think it will be a long, slow reccovery. It took many years to recover after the 2008 Great Recession and most experts are now saying this could be worse. This affects everyone in some way, unlike 9/11 or the Great Recession. This is both a health crisis and an economic crisis. I do believe a vaccine will be developed but that will take time. I think the world will look very different after this is over. Hopefully, we will all learn some lessons to handle a future pandemic better.

Excellent post. If only everyone was thinking years instead of weeks, and forgetting about things returning to "normal".

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[CalGalTraveler]

I assume he is over 60? This article should be a wake-up call. My DH is over 60 and very healthy (skis, exercises, no preexisting conditions, no meds etc.) This is downright scary.

Israeli doctor in Italy: No. of patients rises but we get to everyone

Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, patients over 60 tend to receive less treatment with anesthesia and artificial respiratory machines.

www.jpost.com

 

[TravelTime]

This is a good article that presents a less popular view. Author concludes: Either we let many of us get the coronavirus, recover and get back to work — while doing our utmost to protect those most vulnerable to being killed by it. Or, we shut down for months to try to save everyone everywhere from this virus — no matter their risk profile — and kill many people by other means, kill our economy and maybe kill our future.

Opinion | A Plan to Get America Back to Work (Published 2020)

Some experts say it can be done in weeks, not months — and the economy and public health are at stake.

www.nytimes.com

 

[WinniWoman]

This is a good article that presents a less popular view. Author concludes: Either we let many of us get the coronavirus, recover and get back to work — while doing our utmost to protect those most vulnerable to being killed by it. Or, we shut down for months to try to save everyone everywhere from this virus — no matter their risk profile — and kill many people by other means, kill our economy and maybe kill our future.

Opinion | A Plan to Get America Back to Work (Published 2020)

Some experts say it can be done in weeks, not months — and the economy and public health are at stake.

www.nytimes.com

Right on!

 

[WinniWoman]

I don't either. Maybe I'm naive or haven't been getting the right news, but my understanding of all of these measures is to 'flatten the curve' so that the medical system doesn't get overwhelmed. i don't think the powers that be are expecting that a lot fewer people will get the virus BUT that by spreading out the rate of infections, the medical system will not be overwhelmed. At some point in time a vaccine will be developed. And we'll have a better understanding of how this, and future, viruses behave. Until we get to that point, there will be a lot of pain.

Yes. Right. This whole closing down of the world is about not overloading the healthcare system.

On the other hand a doctor on the news this morning said once you get the virus you will not get it again. Since many of us will eventually get it anyway once they get this so called curve flattened they should open up our economy again before that too gets totally destroyed.

 

[Luanne]

Yes. Right. This whole closing down of the world is about not overloading the healthcare system.

On the other hand a doctor on the news this morning said once you get the virus you will not get it again. Since many of us will eventually get it anyway once they get this so called curve flattened they should open up our economy again before that too gets totally destroyed.

How do they know that? I thought they still didn't know enough about it.

 

[WinniWoman]

How do they know that? I thought they still didn't know enough about it.

That is what he said. He said "they" are concluding this from current research.

 

[Chrispee]

On the other hand a doctor on the news this morning said once you get the virus you will not get it again.

Please provide a link or directly quote your source. I've seen experts suggest that it's unlikely you can get Covid-19 multiple times but nobody who has said/proven it conclusively.