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Booked 2 day vacation at Westgate Orlando; non-owner. Mistake?

as long as your sure she is prepared to go to a presentation you should be fine. my wife and I went through Westgate lakes. it is a nice resort and has a great on site restaurant. we have been on 2 Westgate presentations. The first was at Westgate vacation villas. we told the sales person we were there for the $100 and breakfast. she said that was fair but asked we be open minded for the 90 minutes, before deciding. at the end she asked if we would be interested in purchasing (for 40k). we assured her we were not. she sent us to get our gift and went on to the next couple. to be sure she told a lot of whoppers and did not mention little details like maintenance fees,( but I'm sure that was just an oversight!) don't react to the guilt trips etc. at the end be polite but firm and get your gifts, and enjoy your stay.
 
They are pretty sneaky and able to convince people to buy repeatedly. Leave your wallet in the room safe or you could be costing yourself way more then your going to save.....

We have friends who paid a company to take their timeshares off their hands a couple years ago. Well they went to Vegas on a promotion and guess what.... they bought into a points system of some sort :wall:
 
Or I can go up Thursday, check in, get universal tickets, go to dinner, Friday take their tour, be done noon at earliest (tour time is 10:30). Basically, be sitting at the pool by 1pm to enjoy resort for the day, go to dinner, check out Sat AM, go to park, drive home), I am in it for $170 (cost of the package).

So if I understand correctly, you plan to visit the parks on Thursday and Saturday. Now the big question is Will they give you your park tickets on Thursday morning (before you complete the sales presentation)? If so, what time do you reckon they will give you your tickets?

Then factor in the drive to the park, mile-long walk to the gate from the parking lot, passing security screening, and you might not have much time left to enjoy the park.

I understand your logic and you're free to do whatever you want, but the other TUGGERS here are just trying to make you see the downside(s) to this "deal" and that it might not be what it's cracked up to be.
 
They are pretty sneaky and able to convince people to buy repeatedly. Leave your wallet in the room safe or you could be costing yourself way more then your going to save.....

:wall:

Virtually all of the "invites" I have seen require at check in both parties show driver's licenses with matching address AND credit card matching .:(
 
So if I understand correctly, you plan to visit the parks on Thursday and Saturday. Now the big question is Will they give you your park tickets on Thursday morning (before you complete the sales presentation)? If so, what time do you reckon they will give you your tickets?

Then factor in the drive to the park, mile-long walk to the gate from the parking lot, passing security screening, and you might not have much time left to enjoy the park.

I understand your logic and you're free to do whatever you want, but the other TUGGERS here are just trying to make you see the downside(s) to this "deal" and that it might not be what it's cracked up to be.

Planning to check in Thursday afternoon, check out Saturday morning and go to the park then. Only going to the park one time (Saturday). We have booked for Thursday and Friday night. Our "tour" is Friday morning. I have asked and have been told repeatedly that the tickets are given to us at check in. We would only be billed the full rate of the room and tickets if we skipped the tour or did not participate in the tour. Since we have no plans to buy anything I want to cover myself from any shenanigans where they would "punish" us by charging us the full rate for not purchasing anything.

I do not feel anyone is picking on me at all; I have gotten lots of useful, practical advice in this thread.

Alternatives were to pay more, go up Friday night, stay in a place one night and pay full rate for the park tickets. I also was not against doing it iron man style; get up at 5 am Saturday, go up, do the park, drive back the same day, but wifey was having none of that.

My wife is no ones pushover. She knows full well how to say no if she is not interested. I am not worried about us purchasing something we don't want, am only concerned about being "punished" for not purchasing. We just returned from the Florida Keys and within the next 6 months have two cruises totaling 17 nights at sea planned. Going to resorts/theme parks just isn't our thing, but she wants to check out Universal Studios and this seemed the most economical way to do it. I think theme parks are the biggest rip off in the world, so naturally looking for ways to help keep costs reasonable.

To those offering advice as how to protect myself from being taken advantage of, thank you. I have taken note of your advice and will employ your methods to make sure we are treated in a FAIR manner. That's all I want. They want 90 minutes of my life, okay. No problem. That doesn't mean 5 hours, it doesn't mean being ripped off or intimidated.

I have bookmarked this and will report back!
 
Planning to check in Thursday afternoon, check out Saturday morning and go to the park then. Only going to the park one time (Saturday). We have booked for Thursday and Friday night. Our "tour" is Friday morning. I have asked and have been told repeatedly that the tickets are given to us at check in. We would only be billed the full rate of the room and tickets if we skipped the tour or did not participate in the tour. Since we have no plans to buy anything I want to cover myself from any shenanigans where they would "punish" us by charging us the full rate for not purchasing anything.

I do not feel anyone is picking on me at all; I have gotten lots of useful, practical advice in this thread.

Alternatives were to pay more, go up Friday night, stay in a place one night and pay full rate for the park tickets. I also was not against doing it iron man style; get up at 5 am Saturday, go up, do the park, drive back the same day, but wifey was having none of that.

My wife is no ones pushover. She knows full well how to say no if she is not interested. I am not worried about us purchasing something we don't want, am only concerned about being "punished" for not purchasing. We just returned from the Florida Keys and within the next 6 months have two cruises totaling 17 nights at sea planned. Going to resorts/theme parks just isn't our thing, but she wants to check out Universal Studios and this seemed the most economical way to do it. I think theme parks are the biggest rip off in the world, so naturally looking for ways to help keep costs reasonable.

To those offering advice as how to protect myself from being taken advantage of, thank you. I have taken note of your advice and will employ your methods to make sure we are treated in a FAIR manner. That's all I want. They want 90 minutes of my life, okay. No problem. That doesn't mean 5 hours, it doesn't mean being ripped off or intimidated.
I have bookmarked this and will report back!

Good for you!!! Just say NO and you will be fine!!
 
They can't "punish" you financially for not purchasing, but these people lie for sport, 90 minutes can easily stretch into 4 + hours particularly if they can get you separated from the car.
 
Remember, the SALES STAFF has to release them with paperwork for their DISCOUNTED vacation. AND Westgate sales are TOTAL JERKs!

I don't understand WHY people think they can BS the professional jerks and get a "almost free vacation"? And be out of there in 120 minutes. :annoyed:

So, after they return home and post all the hostage tactics they endured and expect all of us to not say "TOLD YOU SO" or be yelling "RESCIND NOW" because they brought ....

OP wants his freebies .... after 2 or 3 more "tours", maybe then someone in the family unit will put their foot down or up ... ;)
 
OP wants his freebies .... after 2 or 3 more "tours", maybe then someone in the family unit will put their foot down or up ... ;)

My better half did

Ironically she and my daughter stayed at the same resort on an exchange, ad they couldn't try to book her because I was in California
 
I did a Westgate presentation in Vegas -- we (the others who did NOT buy - I was alone with a couple) waited on a bench in the Vegas heat for over an hour, dropped off in an alley midblock behind the strip and the driver SPED OFF. I was very happy to have that couple with me - a single woman should NOT be fighting off the bums picking trash out of the dumpsters and locked loading ramps. None of us KNEW where be were - it was NOT the same area we left from - it was several blocks further away from the pickup spot.

The sales staffs do that to make sure YOU NEVER take their show tickets or discount buffet offers AGAIN. And that free meal was a distant memory, the tickets worthless (restrictions) and the dangerous area ...

I really see your birthday wife becoming very unhappy with you ....
 
Again, I appreciate the input of everyone here as to what to watch for.

The tour stays on the resort grounds. I made sure that NO vehicles will be involved, we are not taken off of the grounds. I will never consent to a tour that involves transportation that is beyond my control.

I'm just soliciting advice here how to make sure that I am not totally scammed and overcharged or punished because I don't buy. There are a million logical reasons not to buy, but engaging all of those is what is going to turn a 90 - 120 minute process into a 5 hours process. "Not for us, not our style. Thanks for your time."

The fact of the matter is we have a number of vacation options available to us that don't require extended driving or flying (costs) and I can pretty much book a vacation at any time and have a cost far below the fixed (maintenance) and variable(travel, food, entertainment) cost of a timeshare. That's not true for everyone, but it is for us and basically that's a longer way of saying "Not for us, not our style. Thanks for your time."

I don't particularly care if some bottom feeder, uneducated dirt bag salesman tries to belittle me, I think it is funny and will sit there and laugh. I know that works on some people, but it doesn't work on me. I don't have an overinflated ego that will be injured by a strangers spitballs, and I don't feel the need to "show them" by flashing money on stuff I don't need. It's simple; if I want something, I buy it. If I don't want something, I don't. It's not terribly more complicated than that.

So to those offering advice on how to ensure that the process be handled fairly on all ends, thank you. For those saying I am going to be in the dog house or whatever, there is the possibility you could be correct, however please feel free to generously pay for a visit to a theme park and I'll stay wherever you wish and apply the savings on my end towards a special dinner or other gifts for wifey, and we would both thank you genuinely. As it stands now she is totally onboard with this idea, and she says "No" way better than I do. If she said "No" to this idea we wouldn't be doing it at all.

The realities of life are such that if we want to sneak in a quick visit to a theme park we need to look for ways to be frugal about it. Sorry, spending nearly $400 for one motel night and theme park tickets and food...it's just not in the cards. This is the alternative to make the trip a reality. If it were solely up to me I wouldn't be posting here because I would never want to go to a theme park for a single day like this.

To those who are experienced in this; besides them lying about fees and such, what sort of things should I expect, and what sort of things would be NOT normal? What can they request of me and what can they NOT request of me? I am protective about personal information and identify theft.
 
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...besides them lying about fees and such, what sort of things should I expect, and what sort of things would be NOT normal?

1) Holding you there for far beyond the agreed-upon 90 minutes.

2) Passing you on to two or three other closers, managers, survey takers, etc.

3) Guilt tripping you.

4) Trying to play one of you against the other.

5) Lying about how flexible and opportunistic it is to own there.

6) Treating you like dirt and insulting your intelligence because you don't want to buy.

But, hey, I could be wrong. Maybe, just maybe this will be one of the more pleasant, enjoyable timeshare sales presentation experiences. I guess you'll never find out until you actually attend it.
 
1) Holding you there for far beyond the agreed-upon 90 minutes.

2) Passing you on to two or three other closers, managers, survey takers, etc.

3) Guilt tripping you.

4) Trying to play one of you against the other.

5) Lying about how flexible and opportunistic it is to own there.

6) Treating you like dirt and insulting your intelligence because you don't want to buy.

If those are the sorts of behavior I can expect to encounter what would be ABNORMAL, I guess? I know that's a tricky question; I'm not asking it as clearly as I am thinking of it. I.E. - What is out of the ordinary from their normal shenanigans that I really should be wary/run from.
 
Jrod, I think that after this thread, you are sufficiently inoculated and prepared for taking on whatever the Wastegate thugs are likely to throw at you. If your wife is on board with the 'game' too, all the better- it's to your advantage if this doesn't come as a surprise to her. They won't penalize you in any way if you don't buy, they will just make it uncomfortable for you to leave the indocrination station.

Go for it. Have some fun with it- as long as you know what to expect, there is little they can do to you, and once they figure out that you are a 'Friend of TUG', they will know right off that they are wasting their time on you. Expect them to start with the, "All we want is for you to keep an open mind". And after they come across with, "You're wasting OUR time", when you know the opposite is true, they'll usher you off to gifting, and sign you off.

After they are sure there is a snowball's chance in Hell of selling you, they'll try for resales, then 'trial membership', then yet another discounted long weekend so they have another shot at you. They are taught to get something from you.

All the best.

Jim
 
Jrod, seriously, if you can handle what's already in this thread then there's nothing more that they can throw at you. I've been to a few of these things and they were never unpleasant. The "presentation" took longer than it should have but that's about the worst. The offer is good for what they promise so no worries there. Stick to your guns about not buying and you'll enjoy the rest of your time there.

I prefer Epcot in October but I've been meaning to check out Universal so let us know how it turns out.
 
My own techniques

I go to very few presentations any more. I value my vacation time and generally avoid the presentations. But here are some things that have worked well in the past. My "average presentation" duration is usually an hour or less. The record was about 1/2 hour. They are cut short by the salesperson. The longest was 125 minutes (Diamond).

1. Tell the sales person up front that you have no intention of buying and that you are there primarily for the gift. I will tell the sales person that I know and respect that they work on commission and that I would not like to see them waste too much time with me if they have other prospects available.

2. Print out the completed (sold) sales from eBay for the exact timeshare that you are looking at. Circle several that are under $100. If the salesman is sharp, he'll tell you that there are all sorts of drawbacks in buying resale, like you can't reserve decent dates. But just tell him that you have no intention of staying at a Westgate anyway and that you are just looking for a trader on Interval International. I sometimes tell them of my own experience buying timeshares off of ebay for a few hundred bucks each and that they are working out swimmingly well. But I don't think that you own any timeshares, so you may not want to try this. This has worked several times. Another tactic is to ask politely but with enough volume that other buyers might hear you: "why would I buy a timeshare from you for 10's of thousands of dollars when I can buy off of ebay or redweek for pennies on the dollar?"

3. When the guy asks you how many days of vacation you take (or want to take) a year and how much you spend. Tell him that you typically take 2 or 3 days every 2 or 3 years, that your last vacation was 5 years ago, etc. Also tell him/her that you usually are quite happy staying in a $75 a night hotel. Tell him that your job, family duties, finances, interests, etc. doesn't let you take any more vacation and that you are fine with that. This really messes up their calculations enormously. :hysterical:

4. Before I start a presentation I like to take some control of the time frame. I ask the salesman how long the presentation will be. Usually they say 90 or 120 minutes. Then I tell them that I will honor that time limit and that I expect them to do respect that time limit also. I tell them in advance that if they get within 5 or 10 minutes of the time limit that I will remind them at that point and I politely tell them that I will leave promptly at the time limit and expect my "gift". No games please. :wall: Then I ask them to confirm that they understand what we're agreeing upon. Sometimes if they push back, I've told them that that I need to get out before X o'clock because of another appointment or planned activity.

These salesmen/women are professionals in psychologically manipulating people into buying a timeshare that may not make any sense for them financially and that the prospective buyer perhaps cannot even afford. They'll say absolutely anything (lies, lies and more lies) just to make a sale. So be careful that you don't agree to buying.

If you do buy, make 100% sure that you get the necessary paperwork to rescind after the sale.
 
I think you will be fine, just say no and enjoy the rest of your short stay.
 
Today is the day I will be driving up to Orlando. I will follow up on this thread and let you all know the outcome, good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks all for your advice thus far.
 
Finished in 85 minutes. No high pressure sales. Salesman very nice guy, was shocked at that. Bought nothing. They had two closers try but they were not rude. Both confirmed I fulfilled my obligation to do the tour. I avoided discussions on value, points, exchange, resale etc, I just let them go through their pitch. Mediocre breakfast included. Off to the pool now. Will watch my CC like a hawk to ensure they don't sneak charges in. Thanks everyone for your advice. Hope this thread helps others
 
much the same as our experience. glad it worked out well.
enjoy your weekend:)
 
Finished in 85 minutes. No high pressure sales. Salesman very nice guy, was shocked at that. Bought nothing. They had two closers try but they were not rude. Both confirmed I fulfilled my obligation to do the tour. I avoided discussions on value, points, exchange, resale etc, I just let them go through their pitch.

Hope this thread helps others

Helping you help others is what it's all about.

To pat ourselves on the back a little, without TUG inoculating you, your experience may have been very different. If you had expressed the slightest curiosity about their allegations or any interest at all in the program it may have taken far longer.

Enjoy the rest of your bargain vacation, and keep the phone unplugged. :)

Jim
 
So glad it worked out! I have done at least two Westgate presentation before (at least one each in Orlando and Vegas, but may have done more, can't remember.) I found them relatively painless, and fairly easy to say no to, too. Keeping them accountable for the time is crucial.

Honestly, Westgate is *no* Groupo Maya; that was definitely the worst spiel we've ever had. Although we don't regret it, (because we enjoyed getting to tour the resort, eat the breakfast, and got a lot of use out of our Xcaret tickets,) we probably wouldn't do it again.
 
Usually you have to take the tour before you get the tickets. I've never been to a presentation where they give you the tickets before the tour. That's why I usually ask
for the tour the day after check in and first thing in the morning if possible. Good Luck.
 
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