Boston Marathon Explosions

[Beaglemom3]

 

[persia]

The two brothers are/were ethnic Chechens, they had never been to Chechnya, they were born and raised in Kyrgyzstan and went to the US as refugees when the younger one was 8 or so. They lived in Cambridge, Mass for 11 years. Once the clear pictures were available the jig was up, they were local and known. They don't seem like terrorists, they even let a person go after they stole his car. If the younger boy survives he'll have maybe 60 or 70 years of life in prison before he dies to tell his tale.

 

[laurac260]

The two brothers are/were ethnic Chechens, they had never been to Chechnya, they were born and raised in Kyrgyzstan and went to the US as refugees when the younger one was 8 or so. They lived in Cambridge, Mass for 11 years. Once the clear pictures were available the jig was up, they were local and known. They don't seem like terrorists, they even let a person go after they stole his car. If the younger boy survives he'll have maybe 60 or 70 years of life in prison before he dies to tell his tale.

They don't seem like terrorists, based on what?

Muslim ? Check (this from their uncle)
Radicalized ? Check (again, from the uncle)
Bombed innocent people with intent to inflict immense amount of damage?
Check

I don't mean to be a profiler here, but what am I missing?

 

[benyu2010]

No good deed goes unpunished...The brothers were granted asylum along with family, but subscribed to radical islam they didn't even have a first hand experience of... They were given a bright future, but chose to blew up in the place where they were helped and supported...

What's wrong with some human beings and their human decencies or lack thereof?!!!




Praying for the victims...

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

They don't seem like terrorists, based on what?

Muslim ? Check (this from their uncle)
Radicalized ? Check (again, from the uncle)
Bombed innocent people with intent to inflict immense amount of damage?
Check

I don't mean to be a profiler here, but what am I missing?

The "missing" part is what the purpose was for an attack. That's kind of the whole point behind terrorism.

There's been nothing about how the brothers might have intended this to create a point or to wage warfare against the US. There haven't been any manifestos or statements. There has been no credible crowing about successful strike against the imperial dogs.

With few exceptions, the terrorists loudly and boldly shot out what they've done. That's missing here. This seems more like a couple of sick individuals who simply decided to create mayhem. Perhaps they had a social purpose; perhaps they thought they were striking against what they perceived to be a sick US society. But acts of alienation and indignation are not the same as terrorism.

 

[scrapngen]

I'm continuing to pray for all of you in Boston, and all who are touched by this tragedy.

The true spirit of America is shown by the caring and generosity that has poured forth in the wake of this event. It's evident here on TUG..

I suspect that next year's Marathon and Patriot Day will be an amazing show of pride and the strength of your city and our country - because I don't see anyone backing down or allowing these fear-mongers to control our actions.

 

[DeniseM]

TUG is a diverse group - let's be very careful not to point fingers at any particular ethnic group, or this thread will be closed.

 

[laurac260]

The "missing" part is what the purpose was for an attack. That's kind of the whole point behind terrorism.

There's been nothing about how the brothers might have intended this to create a point or to wage warfare against the US. There haven't been any manifestos or statements. There has been no credible crowing about successful strike against the imperial dogs.

With few exceptions, the terrorists loudly and boldly shot out what they've done. That's missing here. This seems more like a couple of sick individuals who simply decided to create mayhem. Perhaps they had a social purpose; perhaps they thought they were striking against what they perceived to be a sick US society. But acts of alienation and indignation are not the same as terrorism.

Less than 24 hours have passed since we've gotten names and faces.

In the next few weeks we will learn plenty about these two, and whether they acted alone.

I'm not certain they are terrorists, but there's always more to the story than meets the eye.

All in due time...

 

[SueDonJ]

There are way more of these things that are constantly popping up. This one is my favorite, by far. IMO it shows our resiliency while not devolving to the political/ethnic/religious rhetoric that appears to be overtaking our collective sanity.

Stay wicked safe, dudes.

 

[DeniseM]

Interesting tidbit - Per spokesman for state police - the Bombers did NOT hold up a convenience store, but they were near/at the convenience store when someone else did, and got caught in the sweep - it was just a lucky break.

I wondered about that - it made NO sense to hold up a convenience store when they were trying to sneak out of town.

Also - the 19 yr. old abandoned the car that he used for his get-away in Watertown, and fled on foot. In making his escape, he backed over his brother.

 

[Beaglemom3]

Also - the 19 yr. old abandoned the car that he used for his get-away in Watertown, and fled on foot. In making his escape, he backed over his brother.

Don't you just love a "double tap" ?

 

[heathpack]

I guess the other things that make me wonder if this was a terrorist attack:

1. No exit plan. They appear to have set off the bombs and then gone home. Once their pictures appeared in media, they are suddenly robbing a store and kidnapping a guy/trying to get $ from his ATM. They seem to have had no money and no plan.

2. Obliviousness (?) to the number of surveillance cameras present. I would be the same way (not being a terrorist). Terrorists are a little more paranoid, I assume, and more likely to be aware of this type of surveillance. With the number of cameras present, they would inevitably be photographed and, being locals, identified. If they wanted to escape, they needed to do it right after the bombing. If they didnt want to escape but instead wanted to entrap policel then why steal a car and then run when pursued? Are you a suicide bomber or are you not? They seem to have had no clear big picture game plan.

Of course no one knows much about these guys yet. But my impression is of that these two young men had a vision of twisted grandiosity, they were interested in causing mayhem, pain and anguish just for the doing of it. I could of course be totally wrong, what the heck do I know?! Maybe someday we will uncover their motivation and maybe we never will.

H

 

[Phydeaux]

Don't you just love a "double tap" ?

I get it. (I doubt if she does) And yes, I do.

 

[DeniseM]

Per state police - they didn't rob a store - but they had the very bad luck to be at/near the store when someone else did. The resulting police activity may have inspired a spur of the moment escape attempt.

 

[Phydeaux]

I guess the other things that make me wonder if this was a terrorist attack:

1. No exit plan. They appear to have set off the bombs and then gone home. Once their pictures appeared in media, they are suddenly robbing a store and kidnapping a guy/trying to get $ from his ATM. They seem to have had no money and no plan.

2. Obliviousness (?) to the number of surveillance cameras present. I would be the same way (not being a terrorist). Terrorists are a little more paranoid, I assume, and more likely to be aware of this type of surveillance. With the number of cameras present, they would inevitably be photographed and, being locals, identified. If they wanted to escape, they needed to do it right after the bombing. If they didnt want to escape but instead wanted to entrap policel then why steal a car and then run when pursued? Are you a suicide bomber or are you not? They seem to have had no clear big picture game plan.

Of course no one knows much about these guys yet. But my impression is of that these two young men had a vision of twisted grandiosity, they were interested in causing mayhem, pain and anguish just for the doing of it. I could of course be totally wrong, what the heck do I know?! Maybe someday we will uncover their motivation and maybe we never will.

H

Perhaps this will help you: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist?s=t

 

[heathpack]

Per state police - they didn't rob a store - but they had the very bad luck to be at/near the store when someone else did.

Oh hadnt heard that. What about the guy they carjacked and took to multiple ATM machines? Did that not happen either?

H

 

[Passepartout]

Well, the news conference said they are backing down a bit and you folks got some limited freedom to leave your homes. Be vigilant.

I am somewhat amazed at the 'Jesse James' aspect to this perp and how slippery he has shown he is.

Be wicked careful, folks.

 

[DeniseM]

Oh hadnt heard that. What about the guy they carjacked and took to multiple ATM machines? Did that not happen either?

H

That did happen - but maybe it was part of their spur of the moment escape attempt, rather than a well thought out plan.

Although, they drove the hijacked car to their car, and transferred bombs, ammunition and shrapnel from one car to the other - that sounds planned?

 

[DeniseM]

Well, the news conference said they are backing down a bit and you folks got some limited freedom to leave your homes. Be vigilant.

I am somewhat amazed at the 'Jesse James' aspect to this perp and how slippery he has shown he is.

Be wicked careful, folks.

I think this is a ploy to draw him out.

 

[Beaglemom3]

I live next to Waltham and Newton. I work in Cambridge. Could not go to work today as they closed for our personal safety.

I had to go the bank today and drove to Littleton to the nearest branch as I could not drive into my Waltham branch. If this is the worst that happens to me, I'm a blessed person.

I want to do something, anything, but have got to stay out of the police's and harm's way.

Hope he surrenders and this ends.

 

[DeniseM]

I want to do something, anything, but have got to stay out of the police's and harm's way.

I do too - everything his friends have to say about this boy, indicate that he is a naive kid, badly influenced by an older brother. I know he is legally as an adult, but 19 is still very young, especially for a male.

Update - older Bro. has a girlfriend/wife and child - had been arrested for assaulting this woman.

 

[Beaglemom3]

I do too - everything his friends have to say about this boy, indicate that he is a naive kid, badly influenced by an older brother. I know he is legally as an adult, but 19 is still very young, especially for a male.

Update - older Bro. has a girlfriend/wife and child - had been arrested for assaulting this woman.

Naive, but a college sophmore with knowing right from wrong.

 

[Passepartout]

Hope he surrenders and this ends.

IMO the odds he is going to surrender are just about ZERO! I think it's his plan for the posse of Staties and Feds to gather and for him to take as many as possible with him in a blinding flash and a deafening report. I sincerely hope his plans fail miserably.

Face it, if taken alive, the taxpayers will have to support him for decades. He isn't worth it.

 

[heathpack]

Perhaps this will help you: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist?s=t

Sure Phydeaux, by this definition anyone who scares me is a terrorist. The chihuahua who bit my thumb last week is a terrorist (or maybe the problem was she didn't scare me enough, me perversely finding it amusing that she was snapping at me like that crocodile in the Disney cartoon Peter Pan?!)

What I meant is that I think of a terrorist as someone who uses terror to make a political, religious or social point. It's not primarily about themselves or wanting to do something "big" to make themselves feel "big". I see these guys more along the lines of Christopher Dorner- it's about them personally, not about their "people". Again, I could be completely off the mark. But they strike me as being no more terrorists than was my little Chihuahua friend.

H

 

[laurac260]

TUG is a diverse group - let's be very careful not to point fingers at any particular ethnic group, or this thread will be closed.

No finger pointing here.... radicalized, and Muslim, were his uncle's words, not mine.