Summer Bay Vegas name change?

[Sandy]

Cost for HIC and effect on Crown Club members

Thanks for the suggestions . There was no additional weeks. I am going to look over the documentation that I got when I converted to Crown Club. I may talk to my cousins who are lawyers and see what I can do, As far as Holiday inn club, I heard the same thing. I will likely join it. What choice do I have. I am very unhappy with Summerbay and I would recommend that people stay away from buying with them . They may have financial issues as they sold two of the resorts . One in the top timeshare destination (Las Vegas)

I talked to them and found out the following:
Currently they are offering the HIC only for Crowne Club members. I have a week at SB and RCI points at SB, and I am not affected now. My deed stays at SB and my points can stay at RCI.

The enrollment cost for Crown point club members is $204, with an annual fee of $104.

Everyone else will be approached in the spring of 2012 and she thought that the fee structure would be the same.

Hope this helps.

 

[dwojo]

That is much less than I thought they would charge. Our Holiday inn points have worked well for my wife and I so far. We have had them less than a year. RCI membership comes with them and we can use our points for weeks or points vacations with RCI.

 

[dwojo]

I hope this chart uploaded

http://tugbbs.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1029&stc=1&d=1316036139


This is a copy of Holiday Inn Club benefits chart

 

[hajjah]

Can someone advise me as to the purpose of joining those clubs? As of now, I have no intention of joining the Holiday Inn Club Vacations. What are the perks of becoming a member? Does anyone know why we still cannot access the week's inventory via RCI points? It has now been two weeks since I was able to do a search. I don't have time to call RCI when I want to search for a vacation. I generally search during the wee hours of the night.
Right now, I'm not happy. I will wait to hear from more of you owners.

Ok, I just read the information regarding the benefits of joining the club membership. I am not interested at this point.

 

[eschjw]

RCI knows why your points can not see weeks

Does anyone know why we still cannot access the week's inventory via RCI points?

RCI should be able to answer that question. More than likely, it is a RCI programming problem. I have heard that their computer system is not the best. As a former IT person, I would guess that this change was placed on the bottom of a long maintenance queue and that it just has to work its way to the top.

All of the points owners that have this problem should bombard RCI with complaints. The squeaky wheel usually gets fixed first.

 

[Sandy]

http://tugbbs.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1029&stc=1&d=1316036139


This is a copy of Holiday Inn Club benefits chart

I know I posted the sum of my call (#76 above) regarding the cost of joining the HIC earlier in the above post, but I am not so sure now. I have read through some of the materials listed on the right side under member benefits, and they mention various levels: Premier, Superior and such terms. this leads me to believe that the costs might be significantly higher than the $100-200 I referenced. I hope I am wrong.

Anyone else read through these materials, or get a clear answer from contacting HIC?
http://www.holidayinnclub.com/welcome/faq.html
(go to the right side to download the info)

 

[andex]

RCI should be able to answer that question. More than likely, it is a RCI programming problem. I have heard that their computer system is not the best. As a former IT person, I would guess that this change was placed on the bottom of a long maintenance queue and that it just has to work its way to the top.

All of the points owners that have this problem should bombard RCI with complaints. The squeaky wheel usually gets fixed first.

once with holiday inn we no longer have web access to weeks. we have to call holiday in and they will transfer us to RCI.

 

[Sandy]

I know I posted the sum of my call (#76 above) regarding the cost of joining the HIC earlier in the above post, but I am not so sure now. I have read through some of the materials listed on the right side under member benefits, and they mention various levels: Premier, Superior and such terms. this leads me to believe that the costs might be significantly higher than the $100-200 I referenced. I hope I am wrong.

Anyone else read through these materials, or get a clear answer from contacting HIC?
http://www.holidayinnclub.com/welcome/faq.html
(go to the right side to download the info)

Well,

I got a partial answer by going over to the Orange Lake section of this forum and doing a search. Looks like the fees are MUCH MORE to the tune of thousands!! I read pricing similar to the Crowne Club $4000 for some, $10000 for others.
can't see where this is of any benefit, but I am still reading through the materials.

See here: http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52695
and a more recent discussons
http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130036&highlight=Holiday+Club
http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95726&highlight=Holiday+Club

 

[eschjw]

once with holiday inn we no longer have web access to weeks. we have to call holiday in and they will transfer us to RCI.

Who told you that? If that was true and I were a RCI points owner, I would be very upset. Why in the world would your online access to last minute RCI weeks for discounted RCI points be limited because of this change.

I have heard that the number of RCI weeks available and the time window has been shrinking for all RCI points members. It will probably vanish for all RCI points owners sooner or later. Much better money for RCI in rentals.

 

[roadtriper]

Well,

I got a partial answer by going over to the Orange Lake section of this forum and doing a search. Looks like the fees are MUCH MORE to the tune of thousands!! I read pricing similar to the Crowne Club%

 

[eschjw]

RT I agree. Cheap for Crown Club members (already paid big bucks) and more for others. That's why the Crown Club members can join now. I don't think they have decided yet how deep they think they can reach into our pockets. FYI my pockets are not deep at all. Our HOA President Charles McKern calls it a "nominal administrative fee".

After reading the benefits pdf that was posted, it also sounds a lot like DRI. I have spent a lot of time talking to them and I must admit I was tempted, but I am much to cheap for such. Heck, I don't even belong to RCI or pay any annual fees to an exchange company. I have exchanged my 1 bedroom week for a 3 bedroom at DRI's Grand Beach and have a DRI owned week at Westgate South Beach scheduled for the winter. Total exchange costs for both weeks $2.00.

 

[roadtriper]

Well,

I got a partial answer by going over to the Orange Lake section of this forum and doing a search. Looks like the fees are MUCH MORE to the tune of thousands!! I read pricing similar to the Crowne Club%

Looks like my reply to Sandy in this previous post has disappeared??? computer glitch?

 

[Sandy]

Yes, disappeared! Can you repost, or retype again Roadtripper?

 

[roadtriper]

Yes, disappeared! Can you repost, or retype again Roadtripper?

If I only had a memory! the basic post was that I saw a real similarity between the Crown Club points and the Holiday Inn vacation points systems and that Summer Bay and Orange lake were like mirror images of each other and wondering if they were using the same business plan? also it appears that the Crown Club members are being Grandfathered into the Holiday in Club for just a small admin fee. and those of us who just own weeks would have to lay out big bucks to join $2500- $10K+ just like the SB Crown Club?
time will tell I guess. RT

 

[Karen G]

Yes, disappeared! Can you repost, or retype again Roadtripper?

Check post #41 in this thread.

 

[andex]

Who told you that? If that was true and I were a RCI points owner, I would be very upset. Why in the world would your online access to last minute RCI weeks for discounted RCI points be limited because of this change.

I have heard that the number of RCI weeks available and the time window has been shrinking for all RCI points members. It will probably vanish for all RCI points owners sooner or later. Much better money for RCI in rentals.

I have a points membership. the day after OL bought las vegas desert club the weeks section disapeared. I couldnt figure out why my weeks wouldnt show up anymore. when i talked to RCI they told me inorder to book through weeks you must call holiday inn and then they will trasfer you to RCI. i called a couple of times on this subject. aparently they were working on this long before the transaction.
i also wanted to transfer points from my brother inlaw account to mine. that is a no go either. i guesse we own holiday points worth roughly 2x RCI points they stay that way until we decided to change them into RCI points. that is the reason i couldnt transfer over points from another RCI member.
when i called desert club they told me to convert to holiday inn point would cost around $200 if done before december 15th. after that it would be significanly more.I could also choose to keep my RCI points as well.?? like i said previously i fear that if i convert to HI points that i will forever lose the RCI pointvalue in resale.

 

[dougp26364]

Not knowing anything about HI points, my perspective is it might not be a bad idea to join based on the fact DRI charged me $2,995 and Marriott charged us $695 to join their points systems. In both instances our weeks were developer purchased units. Without looking at the program I'm thinking it would be tough to go wrong paying the $200 joiner fee.

 

[eschjw]

Crown Club Vs Holiday Inn Club

After rereading the web links above, it seems that only Crown Club Members can join Holiday Inn Club at this time. Other members will be contacted in the months to come. Crown Club Members must decide to join the Holiday Inn Club for a nominal fee ($200 ??) by Dec 15th.

Here is a link to the Benefits Comparison of both Clubs http://www.holidayinnclub.com/welcome/pdf/SummerBayBenefitsChart.pdf

Because of this purchase, it appears that the Crown Club is shrinking and that Holiday Inn Club is growing.

Also notice that in the previous FAQ web link that a "nominal fee" is only mentioned for the Crown Club Members. For RCI points and flex week owners a forthcoming opportunity is referenced.

 

[hajjah]

RCI weeks inventory no longer accessible to Summer Bay LV owners?

once with holiday inn we no longer have web access to weeks. we have to call holiday in and they will transfer us to RCI.

What? Are you saying that we will no long have access to the RCI website to search the weeks inventory via points? This makes no sense to me. So, we now have to call the Holiday Inn Club? This will not be of much use to me since I prefer to search for vacations myself, usually during the wee hours of the night. RCI's hours of operation have changed drastically over the years. I remember when they closed at midnight during the week. I do not wish to make a phone call to search every time I plan to search for a vacation. I may have to get rid of my week.

 

[dwojo]

I am a member of Holiday Inn club vacations and have access to the RCI website. I have the ability to see and book points or weeks vacations through the website.

 

[roadtriper]

We are at the airport and called summer bay or whatever it is now to check on our early check-in and they are saying our 3 day promotional stay reservation was cancelled yesterday by the new company. We called last week and this week to confirm everything and now we are on a shuttle bus with no idea what is going on. We called Orange Lake and someone is looking into it. We are owners at summer bay and can't believe this is happening. I really hope our vacation can be salvaged as well as our spirits. We'll make posters and picket if it comes to us being kicked to the curb.

OK KD21770, 8 days ago you were on a shuttle bus to nowhere because the Evil Orange lake had kicked you to the curb, and you didn't know if your Vacation could be salvaged.... We all love a good "Cliffhanger" but after all that drama can we at least hear the end of the story? did everything work out? RT

 

[Sandy]

We really don't know yet, the cost. but...

Not knowing anything about HI points, my perspective is it might not be a bad idea to join based on the fact DRI charged me $2,995 and Marriott charged us $695 to join their points systems. In both instances our weeks were developer purchased units. Without looking at the program I'm thinking it would be tough to go wrong paying the $200 joiner fee.

See my post above #83. Looks like it will be more like thousands to join (except if you are already Crown club and paid thousands to join that system) and they will push an upsell on customers. I got this info by viewing the Florida board to see what happened at Orange Lake.

 

[dougp26364]

See my post above #83. Looks like it will be more like thousands to join (except if you are already Crown club and paid thousands to join that system) and they will push an upsell on customers. I got this info by viewing the Florida board to see what happened at Orange Lake.

Thousands would make it a horse of a different color. One would have to really weigh the benefits vs cost in that situation. For us, when DRI wanted to charge us $2,995, our ownership and usage patterns still made it worth the cost to join. It didn't take long for us to recover the initial investment.

 

[andex]

Also notice that in the previous FAQ web link that a "nominal fee" is only mentioned for the Crown Club Members. For RCI points and flex week owners a forthcoming opportunity is referenced.

as a point owner i called las vegas and i posted what i was told. i would suggest that week owners and flex weeks calls las vegas desert club call and ask them what gives. it would be great if you posted it here. i am curious to know. i was told week owners would be getting the same opportunity?? Fact or fiction?
for my points which were 73500 and i will be offered in near future the opportunity to join and will recieve 169,000 hi points when brought back down to RCI points its a bonus.... divided by 2 is 84,000 RCI points.

 

[andex]

I may have to get rid of my week.

well just in case we are not on the same page. when i log onto RCI i log on as a point user not a week user. not sure if that makes a diffrence? now once i am under points vacation tab. i can use a standard reservation and under that there used to be weeks, that spot is now blank.
I agree, for me i like to do my own research, hate working through someone else. however for me it will not be a big deal since i will log on RCI using brother in law PW then call holiday inn to be then transfered to a telemarketer so they can take my order.