Wyndham Purchase Help

[tschwa2]

If you don't know and are just questioning then my best guess could be right too


Let's assume that CWA has 2% of the points from a 100 unit resort. That's the equivalent of 2 units every week of the year or all 100 units for one week

I'm suggesting that the way Wyndham handles this is the former

to go back to my La Belle Maison example: I used to own a couple of million La Belle Maison Points and a couple of million CWA. And I tried to use them all for Mardi Gras reservations (February)

When I made those reservations we always came to the point where there was no more availability for my CWA points but there was still availability for my UDI points.

If you were right than the place could fill up with nearly all CWA owners. That dosent happen so I think I'm right

But who really knows?

And I would think that shows that the last time you made your reservation there were 2 buckets of inventory or at least a percentage of inventory roped off for deeded owners not available to CWA.

Wyndham seems all about not worrying about the buckets and just depositing inventory as days now and concerned about the totals you have available in such things as ARP and club pass and not which actual points you are using. So just because last year there was something roped off doesn't mean it works that way now. I guess we will have to wait for more reports at resorts where ARP is important and there are deeds in the CWA trust.

 

[vacationhopeful]

And I would think that shows that the last time you made your reservation there were 2 buckets of inventory or at least a percentage of inventory roped off for deeded owners not available to CWA.

Wyndham seems all about not worrying about the buckets and just depositing inventory as days now and concerned about the totals you have available in such things as ARP and club pass and not which actual points you are using. So just because last year there was something roped off doesn't mean it works that way now. I guess we will have to wait for more reports at resorts where ARP is important and there are deeds in the CWA trust.

And if true, anyone who has decent fixed weeks which had been converted to points, should drop those weeks OUT of points ... IMHO.

WHY? Because, someone with enough points to book 14 days in ARP could get your unit before YOU have a choice to book it.

Can they NOT?

 

[Roger830]

And if true, anyone who has decent fixed weeks which had been converted to points, should drop those weeks OUT of points ... IMHO.

WHY? Because, someone with enough points to book 14 days in ARP could get your unit before YOU have a choice to book it.

Can they NOT?

I don't see how that can be applied to fixed weeks. Nobody but me can book my week before 10 months.

Also, I doubt that you could book the second week with udi if only the first week was at 13 months.

That said, my converted points do have less value now that transaction credits are lower cost.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Personally, no one has test whether the new booking system can distinguished between converted fixed weeks in points or not...for ARP. And I bet, some of the "HIGHLY trained" call center employees have NO clue as to WHAT those or how those converted weeks look or are even, distinguished from other point inventory at 13 months out plus a 7 nights .. if a 14 day ARP HOME RESORT vacation is booked.

 

[Roger830]

If you don't know and are just questioning then my best guess could be right too


Let's assume that CWA has 2% of the points from a 100 unit resort. That's the equivalent of 2 units every week of the year or all 100 units for one week

I'm suggesting that the way Wyndham handles this is the former

to go back to my La Belle Maison example: I used to own a couple of million La Belle Maison Points and a couple of million CWA. And I tried to use them all for Mardi Gras reservations (February)

When I made those reservations we always came to the point where there was no more availability for my CWA points but there was still availability for my UDI points.

If you were right than the place could fill up with nearly all CWA owners. That dosent happen so I think I'm right

But who really knows?

That begs the question, has all of the arp been used by you?
Have you verified that arp is available later in the year?

I like to keep it simple.
If Wyndham only has 154,000 Royal Vista points, then if someone uses arp to book week 1, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right.
If they have 308,000 points and weeks 1 and 2 are booked with arp, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right again.

 

[cayman01]

That begs the question, has all of the arp been used by you?
Have you verified that arp is available later in the year?

I like to keep it simple.
If Wyndham only has 154,000 Royal Vista points, then if someone uses arp to book week 1, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right.
If they have 308,000 points and weeks 1 and 2 are booked with arp, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right again.

Yes

 

[Roger830]

Personally, no one has test whether the new booking system can distinguished between converted fixed weeks in points or not...for ARP. And I bet, some of the "HIGHLY trained" call center employees have NO clue as to WHAT those or how those converted weeks look or are even, distinguished from other point inventory at 13 months out plus a 7 nights .. if a 14 day ARP HOME RESORT vacation is booked.

I can't find fault with what you are saying.
I booked my week 7 for next year, but after that I might take it out of points or give it up.

 

[paxsarah]

That begs the question, has all of the arp been used by you?
Have you verified that arp is available later in the year?

I like to keep it simple.
If Wyndham only has 154,000 Royal Vista points, then if someone uses arp to book week 1, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right.
If they have 308,000 points and weeks 1 and 2 are booked with arp, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right again.

In this simplified case I would posit that there would be approximately 3k points (or 6k) available to CWA each week of the year, not enough to book even a single night.

 

[Braindead]

That begs the question, has all of the arp been used by you?
Have you verified that arp is available later in the year?

I like to keep it simple.
If Wyndham only has 154,000 Royal Vista points, then if someone uses arp to book week 1, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right.
If they have 308,000 points and weeks 1 and 2 are booked with arp, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right again.

I don't know what the minimum percentage is owned by Wyndham or CWA before a resort is listed as a CWA ARP resort.
But it definitely takes tens of millions of points or the equivalent to that in weeks.
If it was as simple as one million points. Every resort would be a CWA resort just for sales purposes!!

 

[Roger830]

I don't know!!

We agree, you don't know and neither does anyone that posted here.

Here's another simple example.

Cwa owns 52 weeks of a fixed week resort.
arp is for May and September because that's where the weeks are that they own.
No parts of the weeks would be divided amongst the 52 weeks of the year, so why would udi be divided over the year?

I just read on facebook Wyndham Timeshare Users Group that a knowledgeable salesman told someone staying at Royal Vista for a fee to switch from cwa to a deeded resort because cwa fees could jump because of one of the 70 resorts that they own.

 

[HeidingOut]

Not going to lie. My head is spinning from confusion. I really do appreciate all of your advice. And, I may actually split the points either targeting a PCB and Great Smokies. Or, one or the other and a CWA. Honestly, I have watched resells for quite some time and haven't seen too many PCB or Great Smokies? I do have an alert set on Ebay? And, I watch the Marketplace here. Any other places you think I should monitor?

I have read the the Tug links to the advice articles. I've actually read them multiple times over the last year. But, I do have another question. Is is still best to deposit into RCI weeks 28,000 point increments with any left over points? Or, do you guys have more recent advice/experience?

I mostly plan on staying at Wyndham resorts within the internal system. But, just wondering if I end up with a contract with "extra" points at the end. The best use for them.

Thanks!

 

[whitewater]

Not going to lie. My head is spinning from confusion. I really do appreciate all of your advice. And, I may actually split the points either targeting a PCB and Great Smokies. Or, one or the other and a CWA. Honestly, I have watched resells for quite some time and haven't seen too many PCB or Great Smokies? I do have an alert set on Ebay? And, I watch the Marketplace here. Any other places you think I should monitor?

I have read the the Tug links to the advice articles. I've actually read them multiple times over the last year. But, I do have another question. Is is still best to deposit into RCI weeks 28,000 point increments with any left over points? Or, do you guys have more recent advice/experience?

I mostly plan on staying at Wyndham resorts within the internal system. But, just wondering if I end up with a contract with "extra" points at the end. The best use for them.

Thanks!

if you book 13 months in advance deposit excess points and push them into credit pool for future year before use year starts.

otherwise dump them into RCI at the end of the use year.

example:
2017: book 2018 trips using 13 mo. APR. remaining 2018 points push forward into credit pool for future years use.

 

[whitewater]

I just read on facebook Wyndham Timeshare Users Group that a knowledgeable salesman told someone staying at Royal Vista for a fee to switch from cwa to a deeded resort because cwa fees could jump because of one of the 70 resorts that they own.

never believe sales weasels..... only thing they share is how to extract $$$,$$$ from you to pay for their sales bonuses.

 

[paxsarah]

I have read the the Tug links to the advice articles. I've actually read them multiple times over the last year. But, I do have another question. Is is still best to deposit into RCI weeks 28,000 point increments with any left over points? Or, do you guys have more recent advice/experience?

The Wyndham TUG advice articles regarding RCI are completely out of date and can be ignored. I wish they could be updated or at least flagged as no longer relevant. You can deposit points to RCI in any increment (I believe the minimum is something like 10k) before the end of the use year, and then you have two years to use them. There is a fixed point grid for Wyndham points in RCI that goes by unit size and season.

if you book 13 months in advance deposit excess points and push them into credit pool for future year before use year starts.

There is no credit pool any more, but you can push unused points into a future year during the first three months of the use year. You can push them either one year or two years into the future, and they can't be moved again.

 

[Braindead]

We agree, you don't know and neither does anyone that posted here.

Here's another simple example.

Cwa owns 52 weeks of a fixed week resort.
arp is for May and September because that's where the weeks are that they own.
No parts of the weeks would be divided amongst the 52 weeks of the year, so why would udi be divided over the year?

I just read on facebook Wyndham Timeshare Users Group that a knowledgeable salesman told someone staying at Royal Vista for a fee to switch from cwa to a deeded resort because cwa fees could jump because of one of the 70 resorts that they own.

You shouldn't edit someone's post to pacify yourself. Please show me the explanation marks in my post.

I will take Rons and mine advice and post over yours any day

 

[paxsarah]

Cwa owns 52 weeks of a fixed week resort.
arp is for May and September because that's where the weeks are that they own.
No parts of the weeks would be divided amongst the 52 weeks of the year, so why would udi be divided over the year?

It's obvious that a fixed/converted fixed week would be limited to that week, but why wouldn't UDI be divided over the year? Especially in the new system, where they've moved to fewer restrictions on check-in days and length of stay?

 

[ronparise]

That begs the question, has all of the arp been used by you?
Have you verified that arp is available later in the year?

I like to keep it simple.
If Wyndham only has 154,000 Royal Vista points, then if someone uses arp to book week 1, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right.
If they have 308,000 points and weeks 1 and 2 are booked with arp, then there is no arp for the rest of the year and I am right again.

no doubt you are right all the time

 

[Roger830]

You shouldn't edit someone's post to pacify yourself. Please show me the explanation marks in my post.

I will take Rons and mine advice and post over yours any day

The explanation marks are at the end of your post.
When I edited it with my Samsung tablet I could only use my figure to pick the edit point and backspace key to delete, the explanation points got left in at the end.

No offense meant, at the time I thought it added a little humor.

 

[Braindead]

Oh so innocent explanation. Then no I meant to leave the explanation marks.
Apology not accepted !!
There's 2 more for you to play with. Have fun

 

[Roger830]

Oh. Then Apology accepted !!

Thanks!!

 

[Roger830]

It's obvious that a fixed/converted fixed week would be limited to that week, but why wouldn't UDI be divided over the year? Especially in the new system, where they've moved to fewer restrictions on check-in days and length of stay?

That would be the way to do it.

If cwa owned 52 million points in a resort, then the right thing to do would be to allocate 1 million per week. With their limited programming ability, we don't know if they can do that dynamically as the point total changes.

Also there could be a temptation to skew the allocation to a favored group, cwa could actually get more arp during prime weeks to encourage sales.

It really doesn't concern me because I don't want to us arp at my udi resorts, Panama City or National Harbor. I was just raising the question for information purposes. I'll leave it at that and move on.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Actually, the older fixed week resorts CWP would get less ARP booking as ONLY the owners have ARP rights for the underlying week... the deeds were held by CWA are the majority in Prime seasons .. the HOAs for the last 8-10 years COULD NOT sell anything .. all went into CWA.

WHY? Because Wyndham 'seeded' the CWA resorts with the un-wanted low season weeks that had not been sold by the individual HOAs usually because Wyndham sales would NOT LET the HOA to sell them) ... but could SELL the current owners to just convert them to points with a NEW points CWA purchase. I don't know if Wyndham sales would take them BACK on a trade when buying points....low season, most like NO; PRIME season, might be a yes.