Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[hnybee09]

I just spoke with the front desk at Bentley Brook. The woman I spoke to said she was informed a couple of days ago that the resort would close at the end of December. She was just allowed to communicate that information to owners. This is the time to call your resort and find out what's going on.

She also said something about rebranding. That makes sense for Bentley Brook. It is located at the foot of Jiminy Peak, a popular regional ski slope. It also has a great summer season for people who like theater and music, full foliage season, and a great spring for hiking. This is a premium resort. They are also undergoing a enormous renovation that has closed down the main building.

Bottom line: Wyndham wants to make more money and its owners are expendable. That's what they mean when they say they want to provide excellent service.

Interesting, one of my contracts is deeded at BB and I called the resort directly Friday and was told that they had no knowledge of any changes happening at the resort and that it was not closing.

 

[ChristopherHM]

Is yours developer or resale? Mine is resale and I want to know if we will get the same “no cost” offer. I’m very doubtful. I also understand why they wouldn’t. Like I said earlier, I’ll just be glad to get lower my mf’s by giving that deed.

 

[ChristopherHM]

Sorry , i goofed this up .

Mine are developer points . Fixed week , converted . I have no interest in converting to CWA . Its a wait and see to what they put on the table . For now im hoping to just end the contract and if not , wait for the buyout

 

[Jan M.]

But Wyndham don't own them. They conveyed the underlying deeds or UDI points to the CWA trust. The CWA trust owns the UDI points or deeded weeks. Then buyers purchased points from the CWA trust. So owners of CWA points own a tiny slice of every deed or UDI point that exists in CWA.

Someone else might have answered this. CWA should probably more accurately be called having a membership, not owners. They don't own a slice of the deeds in the trust. They have a contract that gives them the use of x number of points that are held in the trust.

Avon is a somewhat similar situation. Everything there is owned by the Beaver Creek Association. You become a member of the association with the use of x number of points.

We only have 100k CWA points and I never knew or paid attention to the trust being named the Fair Share Vacation Plan Trust. It's more than a technicality that the points are called Club Wyndham Access points. I'm guessing a distinction for legal purposes rather than ease of a user friendly name?

 

[Jan M.]

Didn't realize telesales could sell foreclosure deeds or piggyback type deeds, that's cool. Did he quote you on this option? Yes, typically they are higher MF deeds, but if you can get them to exempt the matching piggyback point per developer point requirement, it's the best way to uplevel in VIP if you already have PIC contracts like me. Telesales is generally the best way to interact with Wyndham sales as all calls are recorded, so they aren't going to outright lie to you once you get past the sales pitch spiel.

I don't belive that telesales can sell foreclosures or piggyback type deals. At one time there were four resorts that were able to make those deals but it might be only three resorts now.

Telesales has been able to sell deeded even before I bought through telesales in May, 2022. However they can't give you a better price on deeded points than you can negotiate getting at a resort sales center. They do offer a better price on CWA points. And they have a little wiggle room too on the price. Telesales has rebates and discounts too which change several times a year. Maybe quarterly?

 

[Jan M.]

Interesting, one of my contracts is deeded at BB and I called the resort directly Friday and was told that they had no knowledge of any changes happening at the resort and that it was not closing.

On Wednesday the employees at the impacted resorts were told their jobs are ending on 12/31/25. The first we heard about it was on Thursday? from the person who posted on Facebook. Several other owners were able to get a limited amount of information before Wyndham quickly issued a gag order which we understand has since been lifted. In light of Fairfield Glade Community Club releasing a statement to all their members, which included a statement from Wyndham, it was a waste of time trying to stop the news from spreading.

Any Serenity/Firefly fans out there?

 

[paxsarah]

Someone else might have answered this. CWA should probably more accurately be called having a membership, not owners. They don't own a slice of the deeds in the trust. They have a contract that gives them the use of x number of points that are held in the trust.

Wyndham calls it a Certificate of Ownership (not to mention the owners' association is called the Property Trust Vacation Owners or PTVO), so if Wyndham calls it ownership, I don't think there's anything wrong in calling it ownership.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I tend to agree, but would not be surprised if the CWA points they give you are still coded as resale.

It will be coded like for like, so if you have a current resale contract for one of the impacted resorts - the CWA conversion offered will also be resale. If your contract was retail, your CWA converted contract will be retail. You aren't going to be gifted retail if you own resale as part of this conversion.

On the topic of non-converted weeks, my current understanding is that weeks based owners will be offered equivalent CWA points value based upon the points charts in the member directory, this is subject to change as this is preliminary information only.

 

[HitchHiker71]

They didn't give me a price on the foreclosure deeds. I truthfully wasn't interested when I heard Flagstaff and Edisto.

For folks who actually want retail developer points for whatever reason, the typical recommendation is to take a ladder approach. So for me, I'm VIPG with 718k retail points. I'd buy 1-2 piggyback contracts on the cheap, along with the required developer points contract to do so, go up to VIPP. Sure you pay higher MFs for the block of piggyback contracts for a few years, then a few years later you make another purchase to get up to VIPF and convert the piggyback contracts to either CWA or a lower MF deeded contract. Still expensive, but this is fairly common for those who are repeat retail buyers.

 

[Floridaman76]

For folks who actually want retail developer points for whatever reason, the typical recommendation is to take a ladder approach. So for me, I'm VIPG with 718k retail points. I'd buy 1-2 piggyback contracts on the cheap, along with the required developer points contract to do so, go up to VIPP. Sure you pay higher MFs for the block of piggyback contracts for a few years, then a few years later you make another purchase to get up to VIPF and convert the piggyback contracts to either CWA or a lower MF deeded contract. Still expensive, but this is fairly common for those who are repeat retail buyers.

I know we are getting off topic here, but do you mean "then a few years later you make another purchase to get up to VIPF and convert the piggyback contracts to either CWA or a lower MF deeded contract".

You mean do an equity swap? If so, i'm not following how that would save any money unless as part of that equity swap they would give you credit for the original buyer's retail purchase price, not whatever low $$$ you actually paid for it. I'd love to hear more.

But honestly, I think if I was to buy more, I would probably go the PIC route with the minimum number of Access points vs deeded at some location with really high MF like Edisto or Flagstaff

I don't belive that telesales can sell foreclosures or piggyback type deals. At one time there were four resorts that were able to make those deals but it might be only three resorts now.

Telesales has been able to sell deeded even before I bought through telesales in May, 2022. However they can't give you a better price on deeded points than you can negotiate getting at a resort sales center. They do offer a better price on CWA points. And they have a little wiggle room too on the price. Telesales has rebates and discounts too which change several times a year. Maybe quarterly?

I'm just telling you what the sales guy told me. I don't know if he was just blowing smoke or if it was factual. I know Edisto was one place that could sell these in the past, that's how I originally heard about it, other than here. I wasn't interested in buying more at the time so I didn't really ask much about it.

 

[Floridaman76]

I just thought of something else regarding these resorts closing.

What if someone has PIC's at these resorts, do you think Wyndham would move them? I had heard they were tied to specific contracts.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

685 posts in < a wk. That is almost as impressive as the British lady who is riding around the Tour de France (and then some) in 3 wks, just ahead of the pros. And, she is doing almost all of it ALONE! YIKES! The other day, because of the way she outlined her "challenge", on a day filled with goign over mountains, she rode over one of them twice, even though the real route was to go over once. She finishes a crazy tough day (10 - 11 hrs in the saddle) and then says "Well, now I have to ride only 40 miles to get to our accomodations." Blows me away.

I'm no slouch on a bike, and Iove cranking out 2.5 - 3 hrs on a bike alone, but after that, YIKES, I'm done. Give me someone to chat with. She does stop every couple hrs to talk with her husband, but still ... she blow me away

 

[HitchHiker71]

The only thing I really want to know is this….what happens to my points rolled into 2026/7 and my 2026 reservations? And for that; I am going to just have to wait and see.

In thinking about this question in more detail, perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see the concern. For those with impacted contracts, if you take the CWA point for point conversion, which would start on 1/1/2026 for calendar use years at least, then you haven't moved any points into a future use year for those 2026 future use year points yet, because you cannot do that. You've moved current use year points, or past use year points, which you currently have entitlement to and have already been issued, into a future use year. Since the CWA grant will be a point for point contract swap that will be granted on 1/1/2026, along with the 2026 points allocation (the beginning of the next use year for these contract grants almost assuredly will be 1/1/2026), can you be more specific regarding your concern here?

With regard to your 2026 future use year reservations, again, if you take the point for point contract swap, you'll remain whole. If you have reservations at any of the impacted resorts, they will only be honored up through 12/31/2025, any reservations made for beyond that date will not be honored, per the missive from Wyndham directly.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I know we are getting off topic here, but do you mean "then a few years later you make another purchase to get up to VIPF and convert the piggyback contracts to either CWA or a lower MF deeded contract".

You mean do an equity swap? If so, i'm not following how that would save any money unless as part of that equity swap they would give you credit for the original buyer's retail purchase price, not whatever low $$$ you actually paid for it. I'd love to hear more.

But honestly, I think if I was to buy more, I would probably go the PIC route with the minimum number of Access points vs deeded at some location with really high MF like Edisto or Flagstaff

Yes, an equity swap, granted that last purchase is a doozy, and not everyone goes up to VIPF, some are perfectly to uplevel once and then just make a minimum purchase to do the equity swap and call it a day without upleveling again.

I'm just telling you what the sales guy told me. I don't know if he was just blowing smoke or if it was factual. I know Edisto was one place that could sell these in the past, that's how I originally heard about it, other than here. I wasn't interested in buying more at the time so I didn't really ask much about it.

Flagstaff sold them too, and a small subset of other resort sales centers could sell them, such as National Harbor, I know, I had a deal on the table at National Harbor for piggyback contracts a couple years ago during the pandemic, but just couldn't make the math work for ROI unless I went out like 30 years.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Someone else might have answered this. CWA should probably more accurately be called having a membership, not owners. They don't own a slice of the deeds in the trust. They have a contract that gives them the use of x number of points that are held in the trust.

Correct, it's called a beneficial membership, per my post about this topic. CWA holds no deeds at all.

Avon is a somewhat similar situation. Everything there is owned by the Beaver Creek Association. You become a member of the association with the use of x number of points.

We only have 100k CWA points and I never knew or paid attention to the trust being named the Fair Share Vacation Plan Trust. It's more than a technicality that the points are called Club Wyndham Access points. I'm guessing a distinction for legal purposes rather than ease of a user friendly name?

Yes, it's a play on words, Club Wyndham "Access" allows customers to buy a beneficial membership that "accesses" the inventory held by the Fair Share Vacation Plan Trust, which holds all of the deeds that the CWA trust accesses - hence the words Club Wyndham Access.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I don't belive that telesales can sell foreclosures or piggyback type deals. At one time there were four resorts that were able to make those deals but it might be only three resorts now.

Telesales has been able to sell deeded even before I bought through telesales in May, 2022. However they can't give you a better price on deeded points than you can negotiate getting at a resort sales center. They do offer a better price on CWA points. And they have a little wiggle room too on the price. Telesales has rebates and discounts too which change several times a year. Maybe quarterly?

Well, apparently they can now sell foreclosure/piggyback type deeds according to a recent post by @Floridaman76. I haven't tested this theory yet myself, and the TUGGER that had the conversation wasn't really interested in pursuing this option so he didn't drill down on it for details. I'm not interested in doing this at present, but might give telesales a call just to see what I can find out either way - as this would be useful information for some folks at least.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I just thought of something else regarding these resorts closing.

What if someone has PIC's at these resorts, do you think Wyndham would move them? I had heard they were tied to specific contracts.

In theory PIC contracts should not be affected. That said, we've definitely received intermittent reports that PIC contracts disappeared when other contracts were removed from owner accounts, and they had to log a case with Wyndham to have this issue investigated and remedied, and at least in a small set of cases, it wasn't something that was resolved quickly.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Two more resorts updated to official "PARTIAL" confirmed status as of today due to additional backchannel confirmations, as follows:

 

[comicbookman]

Two more resorts updated to official "PARTIAL" confirmed status as of today due to additional backchannel confirmations, as follows:

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Skyline tower was originally designed as residential condos. If it reverts to that it would be much more functional. with the success of the rental units in the old showboat casino tower, this would make sense. We have stayed there many times (although not since the new elevators) and while the rooms are nice, it was woefully bad at handling the people traffic generated by timeshare guests. That said, I would be sad to see it go.

 

[RENTER]

Two more resorts updated to official "PARTIAL" confirmed status as of today due to additional backchannel confirmations, as follows:

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Don't drink too much on New Years Eve if you have a reservation at these resorts and have to leave New Years morning. But seriously you should ask before you go when do you have to leave before there is no staff and the doors are locked.

Are they going to honor those reservations that go past the first or cancel them or cut them short?

 

[CO skier]

I just thought of something else regarding these resorts closing.

What if someone has PIC's at these resorts, do you think Wyndham would move them? I had heard they were tied to specific contracts.

Are all the affected resorts considered "Wyndham timeshares" for purposes of PIC?

I recall reading somewhere that a PIC had to be a "non-Wyndham" timeshare in RCI.

 

[Floridaman76]

Are all the affected resorts considered "Wyndham timeshares" for purposes of PIC?

I recall reading somewhere that a PIC had to be a "non-Wyndham" timeshare in RCI.

To utilize PIC, you "enroll" an external non-wyndham timeshare week that is elligible to be depositited into RCI into the PIC program. When you do that, you have to make a retail purchase. I'm sure most people when they do this, their retail purchase is CWA, but it doesn't have to be. Especially those who did this before CWA existed.

What I was meaning is that when someone enrolled their RCI week into PIC, their retail purchase was deeded CWS at one of the affected properties. When that contract goes away, there's the possibility (in my eyes anything, because Wyndham is known for messing things up) that the PIC goes away or gets messed up.

That's what I meant. It has nothing to do with the external timeshare, but the contract that it was enrolled through.

 

[Danlop88]

Two more resorts updated to official "PARTIAL" confirmed status as of today due to additional backchannel confirmations, as follows:

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Shot, i actually got some Wyndham due to their Northeast presence. Seems like they are removing them all.

 

[CO skier]

What I was meaning is that when someone enrolled their RCI week into PIC, their retail purchase was deeded CWS at one of the affected properties. When that contract goes away, there's the possibility (in my eyes anything, because Wyndham is known for messing things up) that the PIC goes away or gets messed up.

Ah, so it would be the CWA swap, and then attaching the orphaned PICs (from non-Wyndham resorts) to the CWA contract. Seems doable. That may be something owners with PICs can lobby for.

 

[Arimaas]

In thinking about this question in more detail, perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see the concern. For those with impacted contracts, if you take the CWA point for point conversion, which would start on 1/1/2026 for calendar use years at least, then you haven't moved any points into a future use year for those 2026 future use year points yet, because you cannot do that. You've moved current use year points, or past use year points, which you currently have entitlement to and have already been issued, into a future use year. Since the CWA grant will be a point for point contract swap that will be granted on 1/1/2026, along with the 2026 points allocation (the beginning of the next use year for these contract grants almost assuredly will be 1/1/2026), can you be more specific regarding your concern here?

With regard to your 2026 future use year reservations, again, if you take the point for point contract swap, you'll remain whole. If you have reservations at any of the impacted resorts, they will only be honored up through 12/31/2025, any reservations made for beyond that date will not be honored, per the missive from Wyndham directly.

I will not be taking the swap. No reason to.

So the question becomes if I have a reservation now in 2026 (since it is July), which uses my 154k point allotment from Fairfield Glade, what happens to it when the timeshare is no longer part of club Wyndham, so I no longer have 154k 2026 points to use ?

I too think I’m entitled to my FG points that I rolled this march into 2027. Since I paid for them in 2025 and paid the fee to roll them. But will Wyndham think I’m still entitled to them, or are they gonna claw back everything associated with my 154k FG contact come Jan 1, 2026?