Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[Roger830]

I've stayed there and honestly it's probably the least impressive of ANY Wyndham resort I have stayed at. My particular unit was clean, and in good order, but just so dated and the "resort" itself is a joke.

There's plenty of excess capacity in the Orlando area and with the exception of it's proximity to Universal, it has nothing going for it. It's a distant 5/5 in terms of which Orlando area resort you should be looking at.

In the reviews that I read, many referred to it as a hotel and were looking for that type of service at hole-tel prices. Someone picked-up their bargain on expedia, then had to pay an unexpected resort fee. Others also complained about the resort fee. I was surprised that the tropic pool area looked very nice but all of the photos that I saw were old.

Perhaps a vast majority of the owners that didn't default were equity swapped into another resort and the points are in cwa. It would make no sense for the deeded owner of those points to vote for refurbishing with a fee that they would have to pay and then pass the cost into the cwa mf. It actually kinda looks like closing the resort is a responsible way to act.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Too late now, anyway.

Aren’t you still in the rescission period? I mean your upside here is, what, maybe a little bit of residual after the sale?

 

[HitchHiker71]

2024 Bentley Brook maintenance fees, using $181 as the minimum program fee

($118.32 * 12 minus $181) divided by 164.5k = $7.53 by my calculation.

UDI or converted week? If the latter, what season?


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[comicbookman]

Aren’t you still in the rescission period? I mean your upside here is, what, maybe a little bit of residual after the sale?

I think he was not looking for an upside, just not a bad downside and a seat at the table to watch things progress from the inside.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I have 154,000 points deeded at BB my maintenance fees for 2025 are $956.28 and the reserve fund $431.16 property taxes $13.92

UDI or converted week? If the latter, what season?


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[CO skier]

Aren’t you still in the rescission period? I mean your upside here is, what, maybe a little bit of residual after the sale?

I do not know if there is a recission period with resales. I spent some time thinking about the timing of this whole adventure (did not think of possible ongoing account effects); possible account effects within my level of risk tolerance, so I am still 100% onboard with the purchase.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I do not know if there is a recission period with resales. I spent some time thinking about the timing of this whole adventure (did not think of possible ongoing account effects); possible account effects within my level of risk tolerance, so I am still 100% onboard with the purchase.

There is a rescission period with resales, it’s the same as a developer contract, just in case you change your mind, but sure, I guess if you’re adventurous, good luck.

 

[CO skier]

I think he was not looking for an upside, just not a bad downside and a seat at the table to watch things progress from the inside.

Exactly.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Makes sense. Why renovate when liquidation is involved? If recently renovated, why? You may not lose anything yet?!

I’d surmise the collection of resorts chosen are a mixed bag as to the why. For resorts like OIRC, they may actually lose money on the sale, whereas for recently renovated resorts like BB, they may come out way ahead, I’m sure they have an overall target for profits on these sales across all impacted reports that are being liquidated and sold off. The reasons and priorities for each resort being exited vary. This is not a one sized fits all process.


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[CO skier]

UDI or converted week? If the latter, what season?

It is a converted fixed-week. Looking at the Club Wyndham points chart for Bentley Brook, it falls in the "High" season.

See post #922 for possible 2025 BB mf. There is some uncertainty if deducting the program fee in my calculation was the correct thing to do. Looking at the limited historical mf at Bentley Brook, extrapolating those numbers would align with not deducting the program fee from the calculation.

 

[Pennytx]

Does anyone own at patriots place?

 

[kanerf]

Does anyone own at patriots place?

Yes, and I have heard nothing.

 

[hnybee09]

That works out to $9.10/1000 which is $1.17 difference from what the Wyndham estoppel calculates to in 2024. Something does not add up.

Does the $956.28 include the program fee? If the (estimated) 2024 program fee $181 is add to my calculation for 2024, it works out to $8.63/1000, which would be more in line with the 2025 calculation. For purposes of comparison in this thread, though, cost/1000 is calculated without the program fee included.

Does anyone know if the monthly maintenance fee listed on a Wyndham estoppel includes the program fee?

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I have 154,000 points deeded at BB my maintenance fees for 2025 are $956.28 and the reserve fund $431.16 property taxes $13.92

This is everything we currently have.

 

[Double U]

And the elephant in the room is Wyndham corporate is going to milk out as much money out of this process as they can to not have to make a payout to deedholers that dare defy them and not take their Access points in swap.

They likely have internal companies or wholly owned contractor divisions they can pay to do the work, it's all monopoly money at that point, and without anyone guarding the henhouse, and no competitive bidding process, these fees can be however high they want them to be so that, ooops, everything "balances out" and the payout is... nothing, or if they wanted to get devious, "in the red".

Stuff like this goes on everyday. The difference here is, it's happening to you, and not someone else. And by "you", I'm not referring to you personally, but to those affected. This is nothing new and goes on all the time. We just ignore it because it didn't affect us.

The bankruptcy judges' job is to liquidate quickly and equitably. The creditors are higher on the importance list. They will try to liquidate for an amount that pays all the expenses. (Coincidentally, the 2 amounts typically equal out!) If there isn't enough to pay creditor in full, they take a percentage less. If there is a deficit, the remaining owners aren't on the hook because it was a bankruptcy. Happens to businesses all the time. It just wasn't you.

I'm not a lawyer, just my opinion of how things could play out.

 

[hnybee09]

UDI or converted week? If the latter, what season?


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On our account is is UDI. Our Villa Rica on the other hand is a converted fixed week.

 

[CO skier]

UDI or converted week? If the latter, what season?

It appears that the 2025 Bentley Brook VOI (UDI?) mf is $9.10/1000

$8.63/1000 for 2024 Bentley Brook fixed-week aligns with this and past years.

 

[bellesgirl]

Received a proxy form in the mail today from the Orlando International Resort Club Condo. Assn., Inc. announcing a Special Meeting of the Association to be held on August 5, 2025 at 9:00 AM Eastern at Cypress Palms Resort. Two relevant paragraphs are quoted verbatim (out of three and a half legal size pages of legalese). There are more details but these two paragraphs are the gist of it.

"The finances of the Association are currently sound. However, certain members belive that it is in the best interests of all members to explore the sale of the Resort and that members will receive a greater distribution if the entire resort is sold as opposed to piecemeal sale of intervals."

"The purpose of the special meeting is for the members to discuss and vote on whether to authorize the Board of Directors to file a chapter 11 bankruptcy case for the Association for the primary purpose of pursuing a sale of the entire resort. A bankruptcy court may allow the Resort to be sold as a whole property free and clear of the interests of all creditors and interval owners. Proceeds of any sale would be distributed pursuant to bankruptcy court order. Interval owners would receive a pro rata distribution from the sale of the Resort after payment of priority liens and claims and costs of sale."

We hold two contracts, 175,000 points each. I paid a total of $1.00 for both, including closing costs. I think I'll give a proxy to the Association's management firm and see how it plays out.

I own a fixed week (52) at Orlando International, but I did not receive a proxy letter. I suppose it could still be coming. I contacted Wyndham Ovation last week about their exit program, and I was told OIRC is no longer eligible. Now I know why, although they never mentioned this. We have been owners for over 30 years and originally bought aftermarket, so we won't be out any $$. We never stayed there, but it always traded well with RCI, and now we are ready to move on. Hopefully we will not get a bill this December for the 2026 MF.

 

[bellesgirl]

Reviews on TripAdvisor of Wyndham Orlando on International Drive, which will likely be closed, are some of worst that I have ever seen.

Recent photos are not nice. It seems that the nicer photos are over five years old.

It also appears that ever since last June most, if not all of the reviews, were from non-members and would average only 1.1 stars instead of the 3 stars being shown.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g34515-d85393-Reviews-Wyndham_Orlando_Resort_International_Drive-Orlando_Florida.html

Wyndham Orlando on International Drive and Wyndham Orlando International Resort (OIRC) on DelVerde are not the same resort. From reading some of the reviews and looking at some of the picture, it appears the former is mixed in with the latter. According to the web, International Drive resort was recently closed and demolished. I am not saying OIRC is the Ritz but not as bad as some of the reviews.

 

[Floridaman76]

Wyndham Orlando on International Drive and Wyndham Orlando International Resort (OIRC) on DelVerde are not the same resort.

Just to clarify also the Wyndham (hotel not timeshare) on I-Drive closed last year and is in the process of being torn down.

 

[Floridaman76]

I’d surmise the collection of resorts chosen are a mixed bag as to the why. For resorts like OIRC, they may actually lose money on the sale, whereas for recently renovated resorts like BB, they may come out way ahead, I’m sure they have an overall target for profits on these sales across all impacted reports that are being liquidated and sold off. The reasons and priorities for each resort being exited vary. This is not a one sized fits all process.

Specific to that location, it’s very much land locked between several other developed parcels and I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire property is sold as-is and dozed.

Or the property turned into one of those weekly stay hotels or even low end condos or apartments.

The site doesn’t have much potential without tear down/rebuild and even then due to property size, options are likited

 

[paxsarah]

Reviews on TripAdvisor of Wyndham Orlando on International Drive, which will likely be closed, are some of worst that I have ever seen.

Recent photos are not nice. It seems that the nicer photos are over five years old.

It also appears that ever since last June most, if not all of the reviews, were from non-members and would average only 1.1 stars instead of the 3 stars being shown.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g34515-d85393-Reviews-Wyndham_Orlando_Resort_International_Drive-Orlando_Florida.html

Looking at those reviews, most if not all of them don’t seem to be for that property at all. I know the address matches, but nothing else seems to.

 

[swditz]

Received my proxy letter from ORIC today. Grateful to this thread so I knew what it was about! Now just need to hear from wyndham for the options.

 

[chapjim]

Wyndham Orlando on International Drive and Wyndham Orlando International Resort (OIRC) on DelVerde are not the same resort. From reading some of the reviews and looking at some of the picture, it appears the former is mixed in with the latter. According to the web, International Drive resort was recently closed and demolished. I am not saying OIRC is the Ritz but not as bad as some of the reviews.

None of the photos on TripAdvisor are of the resort that is going to be up for sale.

I agree that Wyndham Orlando International is a barebones resort, kind of motel-looking. But, it is comfortable and exquisitely quiet. We'll be there for two weeks starting November 22 and I guess that will be it!

 

[Floridaman76]

Not to beat the dead horse, regarding Orlando International, but here's a few pics of the facility. The positioning is a little different than I remember, there's a older Bluegreen resort immediately next door, and next to that is the really lame amusement park I referenced in earlier posts. You can see how small and land locked it is.

The check in building, which may at one time have served as a sales center, it seemed mostly vacant when I was there. No activities on site anymore. There may have been a workout room here too.

Outside view of one of the buildings. I stayed in one of the ground floor units in this building, it's right next to the pool. All of the units of the units are 2 Bedroom. Looks like an older hotel, may have been originally an apartment complex, who knows.

 

[Roger830]

Wyndham Orlando on International Drive and Wyndham Orlando International Resort (OIRC) on DelVerde are not the same resort. From reading some of the reviews and looking at some of the picture, it appears the former is mixed in with the latter. According to the web, International Drive resort was recently closed and demolished. I am not saying OIRC is the Ritz but not as bad as some of the reviews.

Looking at those reviews, most if not all of them don’t seem to be for that property at all. I know the address matches, but nothing else seems to.

I agree that the reviews look like two different properties, but TripAdvisor has Del Verde Way as the address. Perhaps TripAdvisor didn't know that there were two Wyndhams close together, I didn't.

Some of the photos show a two story building, but my 2013-2014 Member's Directory shows a 3 story building. I also noticed that it was built in 1982.
In Florida, buildings 3 stories and higher have to undergo a 40 year inspection. Star Island is also 3 stories. Perhaps this is another consideration in making the decision to close those two.

Of course this doesn't apply to resorts in other states, but each might have some other unfavorable attributes not known to us.