Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[northovr]

Wonder how many flat panel TVs will be missing on 1/1?

 

[northovr]

I really like the new wash machines just installed Saturday side Patritos Place

 

[rapmarks]

What I would say is if you have anything booked even in December at any of the 14 suspected resorts - I'd consider cancelling it and trying to book somewhere else. In January there's a good chance it'd be cancelled for you, and by December I would expect everything is in that twilight stage of not refilling or repairing anything as no one's going to refill stock a couple weeks before it closes, and I'd expect staffing issues as people have left because the job is going away. In reality, I'd probably be looking to cancel anything after August or so to avoid the staffing issues when people are told their jobs are going away...

I would at least bring my own toilet paper just in case.

 

[HitchHiker71]

What I would say is if you have anything booked even in December at any of the 14 suspected resorts - I'd consider cancelling it and trying to book somewhere else. In January there's a good chance it'd be cancelled for you, and by December I would expect everything is in that twilight stage of not refilling or repairing anything as no one's going to refill stock a couple weeks before it closes, and I'd expect staffing issues as people have left because the job is going away. In reality, I'd probably be looking to cancel anything after August or so to avoid the staffing issues when people are told their jobs are going away...

We plan to hit a few of the resorts in the northeast prior to closure. We actually have one of the four bedroom Presidential units at Wyndham Shawnee booked for Christmas (we booked it earlier this year) from 12/19-12/26. We will also book a couple of weekends at Shawnee prior to year end since we really enjoy the fall foliage season in the Poconos mountains. Great hiking, lots of activities, etc. We will also try to make it up to Bentley Brook at least once in the fall before it closes, again fall foliage season is a great time to be in that area.

 

[chapjim]

What I would say is if you have anything booked even in December at any of the 14 suspected resorts - I'd consider cancelling it and trying to book somewhere else. In January there's a good chance it'd be cancelled for you, and by December I would expect everything is in that twilight stage of not refilling or repairing anything as no one's going to refill stock a couple weeks before it closes, and I'd expect staffing issues as people have left because the job is going away. In reality, I'd probably be looking to cancel anything after August or so to avoid the staffing issues when people are told their jobs are going away...

I have a two-week reservation in starting November 22 at Orlando International. I have wondered the same thing about staff shortages, mostly maintenance and housekeeping. If I were them, I'd be looking for other work and would not care that I didn't stay until the end or even about not giving two weeks notice. Who will be left at the end of November? What problems haven't been fixed? Would the other Orlando area resorts do some gap-filling?

The reservation was made with resale points so canceling might amount to forfeiture of 308,000 points.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I have a two-week reservation in starting November 22 at Orlando International. I have wondered the same thing about staff shortages, mostly maintenance and housekeeping. If I were them, I'd be looking for other work and would not care that I didn't stay until the end or even about not giving two weeks notice. Who will be left at the end of November? What problems haven't been fixed? Would the the other Orlando area resorts do some gap-filling?

The reservation was made with resale points so canceling might amount to forfeiture of 308,000 points.

Worst case you can always move those points to RCI. Given we're losing some of these local resorts in our driving distance for weekend getaway vicinity, we anticipate using RCI moving into next year to still be able to stay in the Poconos and up in the Berkshires area moving forward. There's literally a resort right down the road from BB that we can stay at using RCI - Vacation Village in the Berkshires:

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Same with the Poconos - quite a few timeshare resorts in the general area of the Pocono mountains - so we're anticipating using RCI more often moving forward.

 

[chapjim]

I really like the new wash machines just installed Saturday side Patritos Place

Wanna borrow my pickup truck?

 

[Floridaman76]

I really like the new wash machines just installed Saturday side Patritos Place

I noticed that too. I stayed in a renovated unit at PP week of July 4th and notice the unit has all new Whirlpool appliances. Which is a departure for Wyndham, usually they use GE appliances.

I liked the dishwasher and washer/dryer over the typical GE units which are pretty bare bones.

Also the TV's were LG over the typical Samsung.

 

[Floridaman76]

I don't think you all have to worry about running out of toilet paper and supplies.

Worst case scenario the HOA "sells" the goods to another resort or pays a small restocking fee if they have cartons of product left over.

Also regarding cancelled bookings that revolve around the new year, one would hope if you get cancelled and can't re-book somewhere else, that WYN would be flexible and let you move your points to a future UY, hopefully without fee.

Owner Care has a lot of flexibility when it comes to that.

 

[dioxide45]

I have a two-week reservation in starting November 22 at Orlando International. I have wondered the same thing about staff shortages, mostly maintenance and housekeeping. If I were them, I'd be looking for other work and would not care that I didn't stay until the end or even about not giving two weeks notice. Who will be left at the end of November? What problems haven't been fixed? Would the other Orlando area resorts do some gap-filling?

The reservation was made with resale points so canceling might amount to forfeiture of 308,000 points.

I thought most housekeeping services were third party vendor? Are they not? If they are, then the vendor supplying housekeepers would just send someone else in and housekeepers that would no longer be working at Orlando International would just be serviced out to a different property.

 

[Jan M.]

Worst case you can always move those points to RCI. Given we're losing some of these local resorts in our driving distance for weekend getaway vicinity, we anticipate using RCI moving into next year to still be able to stay in the Poconos and up in the Berkshires area moving forward. There's literally a resort right down the road from BB that we can stay at using RCI - Vacation Village in the Berkshires:

RCI - the largest timeshare vacation exchange network in the world

Web site created using create-react-app

www.rci.com

Same with the Poconos - quite a few timeshare resorts in the general area of the Pocono mountains - so we're anticipating using RCI more often moving forward.

This is a little off topic but you brought up using RCI more.

We have a non Wyndham RCI points account with our Vacation Village Grandview Las Vegas weeks that gives us a lot of points. We also have an RCI weeks account with 6 TPUs that I need to use by the end of November. Those TPUs are left from the first year when it was too late to PIC our weeks. We do a 3-4 month long spring and a fall trip with a mix of Wyndham and RCI stays. Also some stays in between the long trips. That means I'm on RCI checking for stays probably more than most people.

I don't know what's going on with RCI lately but I've never seen so little availability in the 13+ years I've been frequently checking. What's more concerning is that a large amount of what is available are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays at the Wyndham/Worldmark resorts. A few years ago I started seeing 3 and 5 night stays being added. Now they've added 2, 4, and 6 night stays. Are resorts switching over to II and RCI/Wyndham is adding a lot of their inventory in anywhere from 2 to 7 nights to make it look better?

Here's something else I just noticed today on RCI (non Wyndham points and weeks accounts). We need 2 nights to get us from one place to another to put together our fall trip so I checked RCI in addition to looking on Wyndham. My options on RCI for 2 nights were limited so I expanded my search to look at 3 night stays too. The exchange fee was $299 on all the RCI less than full week stays! I wasn't expecting that because less than full week stays always had a pro-rated exchange fee. Additionally you pay a housekeeping fee for less than full week stays. Adding up the maintenance fees on the points I'd be using, the $299 for the exchange fee, and the housekeeping fee too, it was coming out to over $200 per night! It's making Priceline Express Deals look really good!

 

[rickandcindy23]

Wanna borrow my pickup truck?

This is funny!

I just want to point out to the few (you know who you are) who are treating newcomers to TUG over the last 4 months to take it easy because TUG doesn't belong to YOU, TUG is a community of people who own timeshares and we all learn from each other. It's not polite or kind to laugh when someone is staying at a resort and is offering to ask questions that are relevant to the very topic of this thread. Being rude is not cool or funny, even if you add a few laughing emojis.

In other words, let's be nice. We have new people who come to TUG all of the time, and it's in our best interests to make them feel welcome. I am used to the snide remarks, but newcomers to TUG are trying to get information and share what they know. @TUGBrian When I get direct messages from newcomers saying how rude people are being on this thread, I think it's gone too far.

 

[jp10558]

This is a little off topic but you brought up using RCI more.

We have a non Wyndham RCI points account with our Vacation Village Grandview Las Vegas weeks that gives us a lot of points. We also have an RCI weeks account with 6 TPUs that I need to use by the end of November. Those TPUs are left from the first year when it was too late to PIC our weeks. We do a 3-4 month long spring and a fall trip with a mix of Wyndham and RCI stays. Also some stays in between the long trips. That means I'm on RCI checking for stays probably more than most people.

I don't know what's going on with RCI lately but I've never seen so little availability in the 13+ years I've been frequently checking. What's more concerning is that a large amount of what is available are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays at the Wyndham/Worldmark resorts. A few years ago I started seeing 3 and 5 night stays being added. Now they've added 2, 4, and 6 night stays. Are resorts switching over to II and RCI/Wyndham is adding a lot of their inventory in anywhere from 2 to 7 nights to make it look better?

I feel like this probably ought to be a new thread because it would be interesting to compare - but IME it's an emphatic NO on resorts moving to II. II has crap availability for anything (2BR anyway) that isn't Orlando. Though TBH I mostly look at the cash stays. I showed my examples in a new video -

so feel free to critique. I just don't usually look for exchanges with Wyndham (or HGVC) points cause the value doesn't seem to be there to me. I will update next year once I have my own Grandview for an RCI points account to compare.

I have noticed a lot more less than 1 week stays, and I guess it's just Wyndham dumping inventory but I much prefer full weeks.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I don't know what's going on with RCI lately but I've never seen so little availability in the 13+ years I've been frequently checking. What's more concerning is that a large amount of what is available are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays at the Wyndham/Worldmark resorts. A few years ago I started seeing 3 and 5 night stays being added. Now they've added 2, 4, and 6 night stays. Are resorts switching over to II and RCI/Wyndham is adding a lot of their inventory in anywhere from 2 to 7 nights to make it look better?

Curious, does the increased availability you're seeing on the RCI site correlate at all to the list of resorts being impacted?

Here's something else I just noticed today on RCI (non Wyndham points and weeks accounts). We need 2 nights to get us from one place to another to put together our fall trip so I checked RCI in addition to looking on Wyndham. My options on RCI for 2 nights were limited so I expanded my search to look at 3 night stays too. The exchange fee was $299 on all the RCI less than full week stays! I wasn't expecting that because less than full week stays always had a pro-rated exchange fee. Additionally you pay a housekeeping fee for less than full week stays. Adding up the maintenance fees on the points I'd be using, the $299 for the exchange fee, and the housekeeping fee too, it was coming out to over $200 per night! It's making Priceline Express Deals look really good!

I've observed many stating that the RCI fees are becoming too cumbersome over the last several years, as you've outlined here. Have the fees for II increased along this same line as well? IDK either way since we almost exclusively used Club Wyndham for our part.

 

[Floridaman76]

I guess it depends where you are looking in RCI, and when. There always seems to be availability in Hilton Head or Colorado/New Mexico off season and also the Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge area.

This is all mostly non-Wyndham

As mentioned, they are really getting nickel and dime by charging housekeeping for less than a week and also some places charge resort fees now, which in some cases are completely ridiculous

 

[chapjim]

I thought most housekeeping services were third party vendor? Are they not? If they are, then the vendor supplying housekeepers would just send someone else in and housekeepers that would no longer be working at Orlando International would just be serviced out to a different property.

You're probably right.

 

[RENTER]

This is a little off topic but you brought up using RCI more.

We have a non Wyndham RCI points account with our Vacation Village Grandview Las Vegas weeks that gives us a lot of points. We also have an RCI weeks account with 6 TPUs that I need to use by the end of November. Those TPUs are left from the first year when it was too late to PIC our weeks. We do a 3-4 month long spring and a fall trip with a mix of Wyndham and RCI stays. Also some stays in between the long trips. That means I'm on RCI checking for stays probably more than most people.

I don't know what's going on with RCI lately but I've never seen so little availability in the 13+ years I've been frequently checking. What's more concerning is that a large amount of what is available are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays at the Wyndham/Worldmark resorts. A few years ago I started seeing 3 and 5 night stays being added. Now they've added 2, 4, and 6 night stays. Are resorts switching over to II and RCI/Wyndham is adding a lot of their inventory in anywhere from 2 to 7 nights to make it look better?

Here's something else I just noticed today on RCI (non Wyndham points and weeks accounts). We need 2 nights to ge t us from one place to another to put together our fall trip so I checked RCI in addition to looking on Wyndham. My options on RCI for 2 nights were limited so I expanded my search to look at 3 night stays too. The exchange fee was $299 on all the RCI less than full week stays! I wasn't expecting that because less than full week stays always had a pro-rated exchange fee. Additionally you pay a housekeeping fee for less than full week stays. Adding up the maintenance fees on the points I'd be using, the $299 for the exchange fee, and the housekeeping fee too, it was coming out to over $200 per night! It's making Priceline Express Deals look really good!

Which is why and others I know send a message to Michael Brown that we made our last payment to Wyndham and are walking away from owning timeshares period. Our fingers are on the send button, but we are holding off to see their proposal.

Hopefully he will realize some of the people that will walk away takes $40,000 to $60,000 in annual payments with them. In addition, they take their 5-star reviews with them that not only praises them but also the resort.

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

Hopefully their plan will satisfy us so we don't leave.

 

[Floridaman76]

Which is why and others I know send a message to Michael Brown that we made our last payment to Wyndham and are walking away from owning timeshares period. Our fingers are on the send button, but we are holding off to see their proposal.

Hopefully he will realize some of the people that will walk away takes $40,000 to $60,000 in annual payments with them. In addition, they take their 5-star reviews with them that not only praises them but also the resort.

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

Hopefully their plan will satisfy us so we don't leave.

You and the "102" did this to yourselves. Own it. The music has stopped, you don't have a chair.

 

[comicbookman]

Which is why and others I know send a message to Michael Brown that we made our last payment to Wyndham and are walking away from owning timeshares period. Our fingers are on the send button, but we are holding off to see their proposal.

Hopefully he will realize some of the people that will walk away takes $40,000 to $60,000 in annual payments with them. In addition, they take their 5-star reviews with them that not only praises them but also the resort.

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

Hopefully their plan will satisfy us so we don't leave.

I am sure that wyndham, with an owner base of over 800,000 will be very upset that they pissed of 100 or so owners, who were gaming the system. I see them making a pilgrimage to your house to beg you not to leave in the near future.

 

[paxsarah]

I don't know what's going on with RCI lately but I've never seen so little availability in the 13+ years I've been frequently checking. What's more concerning is that a large amount of what is available are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays at the Wyndham/Worldmark resorts. A few years ago I started seeing 3 and 5 night stays being added. Now they've added 2, 4, and 6 night stays. Are resorts switching over to II and RCI/Wyndham is adding a lot of their inventory in anywhere from 2 to 7 nights to make it look better?

Another thing in general with RCI over the last couple of years is they seem to be continually adding different types of vacations that aren’t a good deal (often more expensive than simply paying cash prices elsewhere) all mixed in with traditional weeks exchanges which can still be a very good value. So, first it was the 3 and 5 night stays, fewer nights with the same exchange fee, plus housekeeping. (Note that these are not Nightly Stays where the exchange fee is prorated and I think can start on any day of the week. These are essentially prepackaged chunks of weeks exchanges - which I have access to as a Weeks-only resale owner, whereas I don’t have access to Nightly Stays.) Then there was RCI hotel stays for points+cash, which is basically like using Club Wyndham Travel or TravelUp for cash vacations only it also uses a handful of points to give you the illusion of value. Then there’s Exchange Plus, which is just vastly overpriced hotel rooms for a ridiculously high “exchange fee” plus like 77k points - and these come up in actual exchange search results so you have to actively ignore them (unlike the points+cash hotels, which at least are segregated to a separate search interface elsewhere on the website). And now we’ve got the 2, 4, 6 night stays (which I also find myself needing to actively ignore). Separating the real exchanges from the junk is a PITA.

 

[Rolltydr]

Which is why and others I know send a message to Michael Brown that we made our last payment to Wyndham and are walking away from owning timeshares period.

Don’t wait! Hit the send key now before it’s too late! Oh, and cancel your TUG membership too since we’re all a bunch of idiotic old rubes who are so easily manipulated by Wyndham. What? You’re not a member? You won’t even pay the $15/year to actually join TUG? You’re a freeloader here too?

Damn, man, your rantings are just the tears of a !

 

[paxsarah]

Hopefully he will realize some of the people that will walk away takes $40,000 to $60,000 in annual payments with them.

Are you just talking about maintenance fee payments or loans that they’d be defaulting on? Because…

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

…resale owners are probably the most reliable category of owners when it comes to making maintenance payments, and they’ll never default on a loan from Wyndham. (There’s no such thing as a “VIP payment.”)

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I have a two-week reservation in starting November 22 at Orlando International. I have wondered the same thing about staff shortages, mostly maintenance and housekeeping. If I were them, I'd be looking for other work and would not care that I didn't stay until the end or even about not giving two weeks notice. Who will be left at the end of November? What problems haven't been fixed? Would the other Orlando area resorts do some gap-filling?

The reservation was made with resale points so canceling might amount to forfeiture of 308,000 points.

Does OI have in-house housekeeping though, or are they just using a cleaning service?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Which is why and others I know send a message to Michael Brown that we made our last payment to Wyndham and are walking away from owning timeshares period. Our fingers are on the send button, but we are holding off to see their proposal.

Hopefully he will realize some of the people that will walk away takes $40,000 to $60,000 in annual payments with them. In addition, they take their 5-star reviews with them that not only praises them but also the resort.

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

Hopefully their plan will satisfy us so we don't leave.

@rickandcindy23 is evidence that Wyndham does not, even a little bit, care about losing (or abusing) owners who are engaged in a commercial renting enterprise. You sending that email may have the opposite of your intended effect.

Also, when they leave and stop their VIP payments, there is no counter hedge against Fido who tells people only to buy resale.

Wyndham has, several times over the past few years, gone on campaigns to get rid of mega-renters and make their lives as difficult as possible. They have not done anything like that to resale owners. I’d guess that Wyndham values its resale owners more than those it believes are cutting into its slice of the commercial renting pie.

 

[dioxide45]

@rickandcindy23 is evidence that Wyndham does not, even a little bit, care about losing (or abusing) owners who are engaged in a commercial renting enterprise. You sending that email may have the opposite of your intended effect.

An owner in good standing would at least get residuals, if any. Default might mean nothing.