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We, and presumably other Virgin Grand owners, received this notice today. Are Bay Vista owners similarly affected?

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August 27, 2012

Dear Fellow Virgin Grand Villas Owner:

In our last message, in June, we notified you that about 200 owners (approximately 6% of owners) had sued Starwood in connection with our timeshare property, asking the court, among other things, to require refunding to owners the millions of dollars that have been spent on refurbishments. We also reported that Starwood had taken the position that since our owners association would be affected by an adverse outcome of the litigation, the suit could not go forward unless our owners’ association was included as a party. The judge agreed, which meant that the plaintiffs either had to drop the suit or sue the association. The plaintiffs chose to add the owners’ association as an additional defendant.

Because the association may have interests that conflict with those of Starwood, Starwood’s attorney advised us to seek separate legal representation. We must participate in the litigation, because if we were to default in the case instead of defending it, the court might award the damages that the plaintiffs seek, in which event we would have to increase maintenance by a large amount to recover the resulting deficit. The Board authorized an initial outlay of $25,000 for such counsel, although we expect that it may cost much more, requiring an increase in the annual maintenance fee to fund the defense of the lawsuit.

Also, because the interests of Starwood may conflict with those of the Association, the Board has decided that the two of us, as your owner-elected representatives on the Board, will select counsel to represent the Association and that we will direct the lawsuit. We are now in the process of interviewing law firms that have the appropriate expertise and that do not represent Starwood entities.

We think that this lawsuit is unlikely to succeed, and that defending it will involve unfortunate but necessary expenditures from the owners’ association budget. We will keep you posted as further developments occur.

Sincerely,

Philip G. Schrag
phil.schrag@gmail.com

Bob Werbel
robert.werbel@yahoo.com
 
No, I hadn't seen it - thanks for posting. This only affects VGV owners as BV has their own HOA.

I wonder how many of those '200 Owners' of the supposed 'Owners Coalition' still feel the same way now? Can we in turn sue them for an unnecessary lawsuit against ourselves?

Thanks a bunch Tom DeClemente and Eugene Jaspan... :mad: #fckndkwads
j-girl - still think this is a good idea?
 
We, and presumably other Virgin Grand owners, received this notice today. Are Bay Vista owners similarly affected?

No. Bay Vista is governed by a different condo declaration and a different HOA board. It's your own co-owners who are, in effect, suing you.

As the 2 independent board members (one a law professor at Georgetown law school; the other, IIRR, a securities and corporate finance attorney in NYC) say: "We think that this lawsuit is unlikely to succeed, and that defending it will involve unfortunate but necessary expenditures from the owners’ association budget."

The best you can hope for is that the judge hearing this case sees through the bullies that filed it and awards costs, attorney's fees and punitive damages on the counter-claim that is sure to be filed by your VG association. Salty
 
We, and presumably other Virgin Grand owners, received this notice today. Are Bay Vista owners similarly affected?

- - - - - - -
August 27, 2012

Dear Fellow Virgin Grand Villas Owner:

In our last message, in June, we notified you that about 200 owners (approximately 6% of owners) had sued Starwood in connection with our timeshare property, asking the court, among other things, to require refunding to owners the millions of dollars that have been spent on refurbishments. We also reported that Starwood had taken the position that since our owners association would be affected by an adverse outcome of the litigation, the suit could not go forward unless our owners’ association was included as a party. The judge agreed, which meant that the plaintiffs either had to drop the suit or sue the association. The plaintiffs chose to add the owners’ association as an additional defendant.

Because the association may have interests that conflict with those of Starwood, Starwood’s attorney advised us to seek separate legal representation. We must participate in the litigation, because if we were to default in the case instead of defending it, the court might award the damages that the plaintiffs seek, in which event we would have to increase maintenance by a large amount to recover the resulting deficit. The Board authorized an initial outlay of $25,000 for such counsel, although we expect that it may cost much more, requiring an increase in the annual maintenance fee to fund the defense of the lawsuit.

Also, because the interests of Starwood may conflict with those of the Association, the Board has decided that the two of us, as your owner-elected representatives on the Board, will select counsel to represent the Association and that we will direct the lawsuit. We are now in the process of interviewing law firms that have the appropriate expertise and that do not represent Starwood entities.

We think that this lawsuit is unlikely to succeed, and that defending it will involve unfortunate but necessary expenditures from the owners’ association budget. We will keep you posted as further developments occur.

Sincerely,

Philip G. Schrag
phil.schrag@gmail.com

Bob Werbel
robert.werbel@yahoo.com

Anyone else worried about this? And just when the MF had stabilized :mad:
 
This whole situation makes me want to rent TSs instead of owning them. At least the costs will be split between many owners.

Including the ones who actually filed the lawsuit!!! Sort of like shooting yourself in the foot :confused:
 
Including the ones who actually filed the lawsuit!!! Sort of like shooting yourself in the foot :confused:

Perhaps Owners who do not agree with the 6-percenters lawsuit should tell them so...

I have their email addresses.
 
Anyone else worried about this? And just when the MF had stabilized :mad:

I am worried as well - and have been very vocal about my disagreement with the 6-percenters (formerly known as the 'coalition').
 
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Makes me happy I own in Bay Vista.

Hopefully, the 6% who are suing will take another look at the direction of the lawsuit and rethink their position.
 
Makes me happy I own in Bay Vista.

Hopefully, the 6% who are suing will take another look at the direction of the lawsuit and rethink their position.

If I remember correctly, they had to pitch in at least $100 to be part of the lawsuit. I received some emails for awhile but figured I was dropped because I didn't contribute.
 
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