For the profitable reservations, which is where the gazillion point owners live, there is no availability to book before cancelling. A waitlist would undoubtedly capture the cancellation, and so would a faux waitlist (bot) if it (they) exist(s).The gazillion point owners can potentially Rebook then cancel.
If they are playing with the only unit available the sometimes they will get burned.
You keep asking different questions.
Anyone booking online has no knowledge about the source of the reservation they are booking.
If a reservation is cancelled, it is fair game. It is the canceller's responsibility, not the reserver's responsibility.
For the profitable reservations, which is where the gazillion point owners live, there is no availability to book before cancelling. A waitlist would undoubtedly capture the cancellation, and so would a faux waitlist (bot) if it (they) exist(s).
That seems to be the problem. VIP Platinum owners are cancelling to rebook at a discount/upgrade and the cancellations are not reappearing, thereby disrupting their game.
If a waitlist existed in Club Wyndham, as it does in many other branded timeshares, it would act as a Super-bot according to the demand entered by other owners who are willing to wait in line for cancellations. 13-month reservations cancelled? history, with no rebook opportunity, as it should be.
It works great in WorldMark.
Same question. I stated the person booking would not know why it was cancelled but would they feel bad if they did.
With wyndham when the gazillion points owners play their game they dont hurt any of the little guys. We play among ourselves, in the 2 months before a check in with reservations we already have. As someone said in a post above, changing the rules or fixing a computer program to make it easier or more difficult to get away with a cancel and rebook affects very few of us>
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If you have enough points for say 10 February weeks in Florida, cancel them, then rebook then at a 50% discount, if frees up half of your points.
With credit pooled points, the next year in February you have enough points for 15 weeks, then 17 1/2 weeks the following year. This takes possible reservations away from little guys that aren't quick enough on the internet.
Note that Wyndham has done things in the past for no other good reason than this---at least not one that any of us can see.Instituting a wait list on the Wyndham side will cost me money
Note that Wyndham has done things in the past for no other good reason than this---at least not one that any of us can see.
If everybody was vip and canceled, then rebooked, there wouldn't be enough reservations in the system for people to use their points that year. There would be twice as many points as units to use.
It's simply a fact that booking with discounted points consumes more reservations than your fair share and denies potential reservations to others.
That's for sure but it didn't diminish the renting
If there is an argument to be made, it's that allowing VIP benefits on resale points costs the developer more than they originally formulated, because they didn't collect any revenue to cover this marketing expense. But that's on Wyndham, not on the VIPs or little guys like me.
True, those changes were at the margins. What would be the material impact to a large-scale renter of a waitlist or some other mechanism that significantly curtailed cancel/rebook? Potentially larger. Still not enough friction to end it, but would it be enough to push a few to liquidate?
If a vip has 1.4 million points, then at 10 months he can book 10 weeks at 140,000 points for each unit. If at 1 month, he cancels and rebooks those units with 700,000 points total and those points were credit pooled, then he can use those points the folowing year.
The next year at 10 months, he can book 15 weeks, thus taking 5 weeks that would otherwise go to other owners. Yes, if other owners get on the internet at 7AM, they have an equal shot at booking those units, but it doesn't change the fact that if he books 15 weeks, 5 weeks are not available to others because of vip and credit pool rules.
If a vip has 1.4 million points, then at 10 months he can book 10 weeks at 140,000 points for each unit. If at 1 month, he cancels and rebooks those units with 700,000 points total and those points were credit pooled, then he can use those points the folowing year.
The next year at 10 months, he can book 15 weeks, thus taking 5 weeks that would otherwise go to other owners. Yes, if other owners get on the internet at 7AM, they have an equal shot at booking those units, but it doesn't change the fact that if he books 15 weeks, 5 weeks are not available to others because of vip and credit pool rules.
When I want or need a reservation and it's there for me to take, it doesn't matter at all where it came from - it came from Wyndham.Same question. I stated the person booking would not know why it was cancelled but would they feel bad if they did.
and its no different than when you make one reservation with your 105000 point account. That one reservation is no longer available to any other owner
What if they own 2.8M points and don't have the benefit of 50% points discounts? The bottom line is, Wyndham used points discounts to leverage sales, so it is as if your points value is doubled if you use this feature (In a perfect world. If you lose the resv on cancel, then it backfires). This is a factor many owners paid for, with money they wouldn't have shelled out if the benefit was offered.
I'm sure the initial intent of the discount was to give VIPs benefits on accommodations no one else wanted at 60 days. Cancel Rebook is probably manipulating the system around their original intent, but Wyndham has done nothing to close that hole, and salesmen continue to coach this practice to make their commission.
Ron,
I know that you are smart enough to comprehend what I'm talking about, but you continue to skirt the issue.
Sure the 105,000 guy is taking a reservation that will no longer be available, but with the new credit pool rules, cancelled points can be used in the next use year giving the vip more use year points than he is paying mf for. That was not the intention of the discount.