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Why Empty Planes Keep Flying Through the Pandemic

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Why Empty Planes Keep Flying Through the Pandemic.


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Not sure if this is behind a paywall.

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It is behind a paywall. I think they do it to keep the slots. Is that right?
 

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Plus if they got any of the government bailout money they are suppose to fly routes to keep the money according to the terms of accepting the money.
 

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My sister in law had to make an emergency flight to help her son and daughter in law who have two small kids due to having to work in healthcare nurse and doctor. She told me there were only three people on her flight.
 

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Our DS took an Air Canada flight from Toronto to Edmonton on April 27th. He said there was only a hand full of passengers on the flight, and only himself and another guy in first class. DH was surprised there were so few people on the flight since the same flight a few hours earlier had been cancelled and everyone on that flight was bumped to the flight DS was on. He spent about half of the flight chatting to the 1st class air steward who has been on several flights DS has taken. They guy was interested in what DS's job entailed and DS was asking him about working on so many empty flights. DS actually needed to fly to Fort McMurray (nearly 300 miles north of Edmonton) to work on restoring the flooded city, but that flight has been cancelled so he drove the last part of his journey.

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To Transport Medical professionals, Military and certain essential workers + family members traveling to care for affected CV-19 stricken family members in far away places.
 

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It also has to do with aircraft maintenance- in brief, it is easier to keep a flying aircraft in proper maintenance than to go through the processes required to place an aircraft in storage.
 
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The majority of an aircraft's cargo hold is freight, this has always been the case even with a plane full of passengers. That freight is still required, particularly items that can't sustain three weeks at sea.
 

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Still a joke all around and why the virus keeps spreading.
 

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Still a joke all around and why the virus keeps spreading.

The virus is spreading not because planes are delivering freight around the world. The virus is spreading due to close human contact. It's in every continent, stopping flights isn't going to alter anything one bit.
 

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The virus is spreading not because planes are delivering freight around the world. The virus is spreading due to close human contact. It's in every continent, stopping flights isn't going to alter anything one bit.
It would help a lot as well as interstate travel. Stop it all except for the enclave in Kentucky and possibly a few other split town or isolated ones.
Pretty soon the US will have more reported cases then Europe excluding Russia.
 
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It would help a lot as well as interstate travel. Stop it all except for the enclave in Kentucky and possibly a few other split town or isolated ones.

How will it help? How will those valuable, much needed medical supplies get to where they're required? How are those perishable food items going to get to where they're needed and so on?

It's not spreading because a small number of aircraft are transporting freight around the world it's spreading due to idiots attending rallies en mass without any PPE (except their big guns) demanding their rights and freedoms and other entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them/it's fake news/it's no worse than the flu/only the elderly are at risk.
 

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How will it help? How will those valuable, much needed medical supplies get to where they're required? How are those perishable food items going to get to where they're needed and so on?

It's not spreading because a small number of aircraft are transporting freight around the world it's spreading due to idiots attending rallies en mass without any PPE (except their big guns) demanding their rights and freedoms and other entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them/it's fake news/it's no worse than the flu/only the elderly are at risk.

Transporting of good is different then people traveling leisure or non essential business. There is a reason for such I high amount of cases in the USA. No denying that. Where I am travel is restricted in where one can go and when. Men can only leave the house 4 hours a week and women 6 to do essential stuff (banking, groceries, pharmacy).
 
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Transporting of good is different then people traveling leisure or non essential business. There is a reason for such I high amount of cases in the USA. No denying that. Where I am travel is restricted in where one can go and when. Men can only leave the house 4 hours a week and women 6 to do essential stuff (banking, groceries, pharmacy).

The article discusses why airlines are flying empty planes. The planes are (mostly) empty of passengers but it's what's in the cargo hold that is important, that's the distinction I'm making whereas you're coming from an argument where the planes are full of passengers....which they're not. Those passengers that are flying are doing so for essential business/governmental purposes, people aren't flying for leisure. You're debating against something that isn't actually happening!

I don't know where you live but why are the hours permitted for leaving the house different for men and women? Do you live somewhere where only women are expected to do the grocery shopping etc and therefore require extra hours outside the house?
 

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The article discusses why airlines are flying empty planes. The planes are (mostly) empty of passengers but it's what's in the cargo hold that is important, that's the distinction I'm making whereas you're coming from an argument where the planes are full of passengers....which they're not. Those passengers that are flying are doing so for essential business/governmental purposes, people aren't flying for leisure. You're debating against something that isn't actually happening!

I don't know where you live but why are the hours permitted for leaving the house different for men and women? Do you live somewhere where only women are expected to do the grocery shopping etc and therefore require extra hours outside the house?
Still people are traveling on airplanes. Whether full or not. Sadly the results speak for themselves.
Different days per sex. Saturday was stolen from men. Sunday was everyone in their houses.
 
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The virus is everywhere. It's not confined to one country, it is already out there. The results say what? They certainly can't be interpreted as being a result of limited numbers of people travelling on limited numbers of flights.

As for different days for men and women being allowed out, that's completely bizarre! What's the rationale behind that?
 

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The virus is everywhere. It's not confined to one country, it is already out there. The results say what? They certainly can't be interpreted as being a result of limited numbers of people travelling on limited numbers of flights.

As for different days for men and women being allowed out, that's completely bizarre! What's the rationale behind that?
The results show that the USA is doing a very poor job of this. In February to the current day.

We are restricted to a 2 hours window based on the last digit of the ID card or passport. Start at 6:30 and tops at 7:30 at night. By sex is another way to further limit the amount of people that are out at any one time. We have very few cases and even less cases in our province and the one beside it. More the size of a counties but we are much more restricted then the countries are through the roof.
 
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This topic concerns the reason why so many flights are flying empty. You still haven't explained why limited numbers of people on limited numbers of flights have any significant bearing on the number of infections currently being experienced.

You say the results show the USA is doing a very poor job of this. A very poor job of what?

The infection trasnmission rates isn't a result of freight being flown in from elswhere in the country or world.

Your claim that you have very few cases in your province and the one beside it (I have no idea what country you're referring to) may have more to do with population density and territory size than anything else. You could have the worlds biggest freight handling airport in your province and I suspect you'd still see far fewer numbers than somewhere like NYC or London.
 

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This topic concerns the reason why so many flights are flying empty. You still haven't explained why limited numbers of people on limited numbers of flights have any significant bearing on the number of infections currently being experienced.

You say the results show the USA is doing a very poor job of this. A very poor job of what?

The infection trasnmission rates isn't a result of freight being flown in from elswhere in the country or world.

Your claim that you have very few cases in your province and the one beside it (I have no idea what country you're referring to) may have more to do with population density and territory size than anything else. You could have the worlds biggest freight handling airport in your province and I suspect you'd still see far fewer numbers than somewhere like NYC or London.

Everyone that travels on a plane can infect everyone on that plane, at the airport and where they are going. It should be a very simple concept.

A very poor job in trying to contain the virus. No doubt about that.
 
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Everyone that travels on a plane can infect everyone on that plane, at the airport and where they are going. It should be a very simple concept.

A very poor job in trying to contain the virus. No doubt about that.

No, not everyone on that plane can infect everyone else. Studies have shown that transmisson rates between aircraft passengers is quite low, this is believed due to the effect of passengers facing the seat in front of them and also the HEPA filtration systems for the air. You are more likely to risk infection doing your shop at a local supermarket.

There is also the concept of completely shutting down all movement. It is simply untenable and the effects of such action will have devastating consequences far worse than the pandemic could ever achieve. It's naive at best to think that complete isolation, shutting down all movement etc will defeat the virus and not leave the economy in shatters and destroying the lives of millions. There has to be a balance, people will die but that's unavoidable.
 

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We can agree to disagree. Infection can happen anywhere. Are you thinking that after a certain date in earlier March if state borders were closed that there would not be less cases and deaths? To me that is a measuring stick. Or close county borders would have been even better.
 
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