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Why can’t you cancel online?! Grrr

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It’s 2023. How can you not cancel online? I have used the cancel form on the chat feature after hours and then told it was never recieved. Of course I have no record of sending it cause they don’t give you one. Does the email to owner services count?

Thanks
 
It’s 2023. How can you not cancel online? I have used the cancel form on the chat feature after hours and then told it was never recieved. Of course I have no record of sending it cause they don’t give you one. Does the email to owner services count?

Thanks
I've been repeatedly told by MVC that the time stamp on the email is the determining factor. So if you sent an email at a time that you could have canceled, it will be retroactively done. I have had this happen in practice on my one attempt as well.
 
With an online chat cancellation, they are supposed to send you an email with confirmation of the cancellation. Regardless, you always have the option to download a transcript of the online chat session in case you need proof of the cancellation. I believe that link is in the lower left corner of the Chat box. Also, after any online cancellation, if a Points Reservation, always check you Club Points balance afterwards to make sure the points were returned to your account. If not, then the cancellation probably did not go through correctly. You should also be able to confirm cancellation of a weeks or points reservation using the appropriate tabs on the MVC site (Use Weeks, Upcoming Reservations or Use Points, Points Reservations) or, in the alternative, checking under My Trips under your Bonvoy account to see if the reservation no longer shows up.
 
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It’s 2023. How can you not cancel online?...
For better or worse, MVC CSRs have told me that it is MVC's position that the various buckets into which points could be returned - and the possibility that different points used to make a reservation could be subject to different rules - make cancelling online problematic. Certainly when I cancel on the phone the CSRs are keen on explaining each and every detail of where my points are headed depending on their status - banked, normal w/the possibility of banking, too late to bank, borrowed, in holding, etc. - before they do the cancellation and return my points.

I too would love to have the ability to cancel online...but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Just my opinion, for Marriott benefit no yours. I absolutely believe you should be able to cancel online and find it ridiculous that it is not allowed.
 
Just my opinion, for Marriott benefit no yours. I absolutely believe you should be able to cancel online and find it ridiculous that it is not allowed.
Caution - I think a cancellation is a bit more complicated in the points realm. For example, one cancels within 60 days and points go into a restricted "hold" bucket, points go back into my ledger as they came out, etc. If automated, can you imagine OS trying to explain all this after the fact to the satisfaction of unknowing owners. I'm not sure this can be automated without creating more frustration and problems for owners. I also don't know that automating week cancellations would be an easier task.

Good Owner Services personnel have always helped me and even prevented me from creating problems for myself. I've learned a ton from them over the years. They are well trained and conscientious. I would not favor much more automation of this complicated timeshare program - think what AI could do to us. How do you call Artificial Intelligence??
 
If you missed the deadline last night, try chat first thing in the morning (now). I was in a similar situation a month ago and they were sympathetic.

Edit - sorry, looking at the time of your post this advice may be too late…I’ll leave it as a resource.
 
@Wanderlustgrl —-“It’s 2023. How can you not cancel online?” Yes, true, but it’s 2023 in Marriottville, and online no less. What you’re seeking is something that has inherent glitches, proven over and over. A cancellation is a big deal. Therefore I believe it warrants a phone call for everyone’s protection….both sides. If something happens amiss, it could be a more difficult problem to fix. A phone call cancellation nails it down immediately, with an email generated moments later. The whole call takes less than 5 minutes. I don’t trust much at all in a chat conversation. Where they go with it—who knows? :shrug:
 
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Caution - I think a cancellation is a bit more complicated in the points realm. For example, one cancels within 60 days and points go into a restricted "hold" bucket, points go back into my ledger as they came out, etc. If automated, can you imagine OS trying to explain all this after the fact to the satisfaction of unknowing owners. I'm not sure this can be automated without creating more frustration and problems for owners. I also don't know that automating week cancellations would be an easier task.

Good Owner Services personnel have always helped me and even prevented me from creating problems for myself. I've learned a ton from them over the years. They are well trained and conscientious. I would not favor much more automation of this complicated timeshare program - think what AI could do to us. How do you call Artificial Intelligence??
It would be helpful at least to allow online cancellations prior to the 60 day window, when points simply return to their original source, but requiring a call to Owner Services for cancellations within the window.
 
I agree with the OP that it’s ridiculous that in 2023 we can not cancel a reservation online. Disney is a point system with different use years, and point deadlines. Yet I had no problem making and cancelling reservations online. Marriott needs to create an option to cancel online. For those who don’t trust an online cancellation process then they can always call. This would reduce the phone wait times.
 
I agree with the OP that it’s ridiculous that in 2023 we can not cancel a reservation online. Disney is a point system with different use years, and point deadlines....
But DVC makes borrowing an irrevocable event and has the same banking/borrowing rules for all owners. While this does simplify one's options it also significantly reduces the power and flexibility of points compared with MVC.

I use 'pre-banked' or 'clean' points for different reservations depending on when in the year (and what year) a reservation falls and how likely it is that I will keep the booking (and possibly bank those returned points later). And when things went wrong due to COVID I also got to play with the ramifications of pools of 60 and 120 day holding points...some of which were banked and some of which weren't.

It's not rocket science...but it is substantially more complex than DVC.
 
But DVC makes borrowing an irrevocable event and has the same banking/borrowing rules for all owners. While this does simplify one's options it also significantly reduces the power and flexibility of points compared with MVC.

I use 'pre-banked' or 'clean' points for different reservations depending on when in the year (and what year) a reservation falls and how likely it is that I will keep the booking (and possibly bank those returned points later). And when things went wrong due to COVID I also got to play with the ramifications of pools of 60 and 120 day holding points...some of which were banked and some of which weren't.

It's not rocket science...but it is substantially more complex than DVC.
Isn't the real issue that someone misses cancellation during the normal work week hours until 8:00 pm and wants to cancel a Saturday or Sunday reservation without losing the points?
 
Isn't the real issue that someone misses cancellation during the normal work week hours until 8:00 pm and wants to cancel a Saturday or Sunday reservation without losing the points?
I guess it comes of many years experience with MVC's IT systems, but I *never* wait until the 61 day mark to cancel a reservation. And if 61 days falls on a Sunday I cancel on the Thursday at the latest.

As I wrote upthread, "I too would love to have the ability to cancel online." But I sure wouldn't wait until day 61 to do so...particularly if that day fell on a weekend.
 
Caution - I think a cancellation is a bit more complicated in the points realm. For example, one cancels within 60 days and points go into a restricted "hold" bucket, points go back into my ledger as they came out, etc. If automated, can you imagine OS trying to explain all this after the fact to the satisfaction of unknowing owners. I'm not sure this can be automated without creating more frustration and problems for owners. I also don't know that automating week cancellations would be an easier task.

Good Owner Services personnel have always helped me and even prevented me from creating problems for myself. I've learned a ton from them over the years. They are well trained and conscientious. I would not favor much more automation of this complicated timeshare program - think what AI could do to us. How do you call Artificial Intelligence??

When you book inside the 60 days, there are little check boxes you have to select that says you understand the cancellation policy.
I don't see how it would be any more difficult to have same thing on cancel.
They have check boxes and pop up confirmations all the time.

It is frustrating to see the reservation I want on a Saturday, like ocean front finally opens up, and not be able to do anything.
Outside of 60 days is not much help as I sometime see the exact thing I want in under 30 days.
 
ljmiii you are correct about once the DVC points are borrowed you can’t move them back. I would take the restrictions if it meant that I rarely had to make a call to Marriott. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because online cancellation doesn’t exist at MVCD. It is a frustration all the same.
 
ljmiii you are correct about once the DVC points are borrowed you can’t move them back. I would take the restrictions if it meant that I rarely had to make a call to Marriott. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because online cancellation doesn’t exist at MVCD. It is a frustration all the same.
One of the biggest benefits of booking with borrowed points is the fact that when you cancel they move back to their original use year. This can help a lot with late year reservations after the banking deadline. Better to use borrowed points than current use year points for those late year reservations.
 
I had to make a cancellation yesterday and rebook with different dates, whilst on holiday in Turkey.
The “Chat with us” option was not available, although I was online during the hours of availability.
My UK mobile contract does not cover Turkey and the call cost is exorbitantly expensive from here otherwise.
I eventually managed to get through using Skype call to Owner Services, after a long hold, to complete the cancellation.
This is at least a significantly cheaper call option.
It really is so frustrating though that we still cannot cancel reservations on line.
 
Perhaps also, MVC doesn't have sufficient confidence in their IT system not to lose a cancellation or mis-allocate returned points. Could be a nightmare of issues if this happened and an owner didn't immediately verify their email confirmation.
 
The confidence issue - I agree and in a world with sophisticated hacking, AI, system errors, etc., I think it best to continue making my changes over the telephone. I can then go online to validate the outcome. Seems it will continue to work for this old guy.
 
With an online chat cancellation, they are supposed to send you an email with confirmation of the cancellation. Regardless, you always have the option to download a transcript of the online chat session in case you need proof of the cancellation. I believe that link is in the lower left corner of the Chat box. Also, after any online cancellation, if a Points Reservation, always check you Club Points balance afterwards to make sure the points were returned to your account. If not, then the cancellation probably did not go through correctly. You should also be able to confirm cancellation of a weeks or points reservation using the appropriate tabs on the MVC site (Use Weeks, Upcoming Reservations or Use Points, Points Reservations) or, in the alternative, checking under My Trips under your Bonvoy account to see if the reservation no longer shows up.
It’s not in the chat transcript. It takes you to a form you fill out unfortunately
 
Caution - I think a cancellation is a bit more complicated in the points realm. For example, one cancels within 60 days and points go into a restricted "hold" bucket, points go back into my ledger as they came out, etc. If automated, can you imagine OS trying to explain all this after the fact to the satisfaction of unknowing owners. I'm not sure this can be automated without creating more frustration and problems for owners. I also don't know that automating week cancellations would be an easier task.

Good Owner Services personnel have always helped me and even prevented me from creating problems for myself. I've learned a ton from them over the years. They are well trained and conscientious. I would not favor much more automation of this complicated timeshare program - think what AI could do to us. How do you call Artificial Intelligence??
It explains it when you book it. Owners should know the cancellation policy and when pts go into holding. Regardless, an emergency the night before is rather have my pts back wherever they can vs not at all
 
@Wanderlustgrl —-“It’s 2023. How can you not cancel online?” Yes, true, but it’s 2023 in Marriottville, and online no less. What you’re seeking is something that has inherent glitches, proven over and over. A cancellation is a big deal. Therefore I believe it warrants a phone call for everyone’s protection….both sides. If something happens amiss, it could be a more difficult problem to fix. A phone call cancellation nails it down immediately, with an email generated moments later. The whole call takes less than 5 minutes. I don’t trust much at all in a chat conversation. Where they go with it—who knows? :shrug:
Problem is they are closed weekends and at night. If you have an emergency and it needs to be cancelled 24 hrs before to get your pts back in any form
 
Problem is they are closed weekends and at night. If you have an emergency and it needs to be cancelled 24 hrs before to get your pts back in any form
Chat is online till midnight eastern during the week and 11pm on weekends.
 
The Westins and Sheratons (Starwood/Vistana) have long had the ability to cancel online, with at least as many different types of points buckets as MVC (StarOptions, HomeOptions, restricted, banked, weeks, etc.), including the ability to accept a cancellation fee for 60 days or less. Now that Vistana and MVC have some level of back end integration, one would think they could add the cancellation feature to the MVC site.

My wish list includes the ability to modify a reservation online, which the Vistana site does not have. I have one reservation I would like to shorten by a day. That’s dicey even with a CSR if no inventory is available.


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