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Which Marriott to choose

Trade power of platinum Willow Ridge will be higher than silver season in Ocean Pointe but do not underestimate the value of having something to use without the trade. If you plan to use Ocean Pointe during silver season more than 30% of the time I would advise you to get this instead of Willow Ridge.
Trading rules changes quite frequently and lately many of the good exchanges in Marriott are in the flex change season in which finding a cheap airfare will be difficult (except if you can get such flex-change in Europe resorts that are closer to you). And the price of air is probably an order of magnitude higher than cost of lodging.
If you can book unit where you want to go an year in advance you have a whole year to hunt for bargain prices on tickets. I am not even sure if owning is a good idea for you. I would think that in your case you may be better renting. Off season weeks can be often rented for almost the MFs (sometimes even less) and renting is much more flexible. If you concentrate on finding the cheapest airfare then you should be able to rent exactly the dates you find cheap air for without the risks and hassle of ownership and exchanges.
Exchanging works best for people with good flexibility (and works great for resorts in driving distance).

I'm not sure I'd bet money on that ( you could be right but, reasoning Plat. out trades silver might not work between these two resorts). I've been amazed at how well silver season Ocean Pointe weeks exchange. It's not hard for us to get a 1 or 2 bedroom Willow Ridge Lodge unit with our studio unit from Ocean Pointe. That's even allowing Marriott to choose the week to deposit rather than trying to get the highest TDI week available. Exchanges using our studio silver season Ocean Pointe week have been easy enough I've been just allowing Marriott to pick the week. It hasn't mattered.
 
Trade power is tough to figure out, especially when the Marriott preference is in play. II will tell you it doesn't care what season your week is rated within the Marriott system. What II cares about is their trade demand index. In the end having Marriott preference over other exchanges is the most valuable reason for owning any marriott week.

...and on the flip side of what Doug posted, I booked 4th of July week 2012 with my platinum Willowridge week and locked it off. I then used the studio portion to book a one bedroom for 4th of July week at Ocean Pointe and with the one bedroom portion of my my Willowridge deposit, I booked a two bedroom at Ocean Pointe for 4th of July week.

With the one bedroom portion of my 2011 Willowridge deposit (a late July 2011deposit) I booked Easter week 2012 at SurfWatch in a 2 bedroom. With the studio portion of my 2011 Willowridge deposit, I booked a 2 bedroom at the new Planet Hollywood in Vegas back in May of 2011. So, the trade power of a Willowridge week is very good, probably even great, but I do not have much to compare it against and trading power within II always changes.
 
I am almost willing to bet money on this one even though I haven't tried it myself as I don't own Willow Ridge.
Ironically I just got a 3BR silver Ocean Pointe OF unit (it showed in my-vacation club this week) as a package deal with another Marriott that I really needed but in my previous trade experience the only valuable week for me in that season will be Thanksgiving week and so far I have exchanged for that week several times without Marriott priority so I will probably get rid of the unit soon. My strong suspicion is that 4th of July in Willow Ridge will out trade with no problem equal size Ocean Pointe Thanksgiving week as 4th of July week is very strong trader for summer locations (even overbuilt ones). In fact judging by my rental experience even Thanksgiving week in Grande Vista will probably out trade Thanksgiving week in Ocean Pointe.
Real travel demand for southern Florida starts with snowbirds coming at or after Christmas.



I'm not sure I'd bet money on that ( you could be right but, reasoning Plat. out trades silver might not work between these two resorts). I've been amazed at how well silver season Ocean Pointe weeks exchange. It's not hard for us to get a 1 or 2 bedroom Willow Ridge Lodge unit with our studio unit from Ocean Pointe. That's even allowing Marriott to choose the week to deposit rather than trying to get the highest TDI week available. Exchanges using our studio silver season Ocean Pointe week have been easy enough I've been just allowing Marriott to pick the week. It hasn't mattered.
 
And I am not trying to belittle Ocean Pointe Silver or Doug's comments. He has probably forgotten more about timesharing than I will ever learn.

I meant to add something more about buying a platinum week verses a silver or bronze. When I buy a timeshare I want to own something I know I can at least give away when the time comes without having to worry about paying the dues for years on end while I try to unload it. I am never buying a timeshare to make money, but a huge factor in my purchase decision is how easy will it be to unload when the time comes.

This is my own oppinion but I believe there will always be a market for platinum Marriott weeks, even if that market meand a free price tag. I'm confident that if I offered my platinum Willowridge week for free here on tug, I would have many people intrested in that and then I wouldn't have to worry about the dues come January. Giving away for free, a silver or bronze Marriott week may not be so easy. Also, if Marriott ever buys back units or takes units back via ROFR, my bet is they will take platinum weeks first, thus making those weeks more valuable.

I just think buying a platinum resale week is a safe bet when buying into Marriott. Best trade power, most valued week at whatever resort you are buying into and you should never be stuck with the timeshare, should you not want it any longer.
 
You should not hung too much on the name of the season. Currently silver 2BR Ocean Pointe sells for about the same as 2BR Plat Willow Ridge on EBay. One reason for this is that silver season in OP is more like a typical gold season in many other Marriott resorts.
The reason why these both sells for about equal price is that as of this moment it is difficult to rent either plat Willow Ridge or silver Ocean Pointe for much (anything) above MFs.
Plat Willow Ridge has higher trade power but is in an overbuild location visited mostly by people that can not afford high rental prices (or MFs).
Ocean Pointe is better oceanfront resort but that is negated by lower demand during silver season and higher MFs.
If MFs of Willow Ridge tomorrow became equal to Ocean Pointe I am willing to bet with you that it will be more difficult to sell (get rid of) platinum Willow Ridge than silver Ocean Pointe.
So this should not be part of the equation as we have no idea what is going to happen in the future. A good reason to chose one or another will be distance to the buyer or plans to use the actual resort.

And I am not trying to belittle Ocean Pointe Silver or Doug's comments. He has probably forgotten more about timesharing than I will ever learn.

I meant to add something more about buying a platinum week verses a silver or bronze. When I buy a timeshare I want to own something I know I can at least give away when the time comes without having to worry about paying the dues for years on end while I try to unload it. I am never buying a timeshare to make money, but a huge factor in my purchase decision is how easy will it be to unload when the time comes.

This is my own oppinion but I believe there will always be a market for platinum Marriott weeks, even if that market meand a free price tag. I'm confident that if I offered my platinum Willowridge week for free here on tug, I would have many people intrested in that and then I wouldn't have to worry about the dues come January. Giving away for free, a silver or bronze Marriott week may not be so easy. Also, if Marriott ever buys back units or takes units back via ROFR, my bet is they will take platinum weeks first, thus making those weeks more valuable.

I just think buying a platinum resale week is a safe bet when buying into Marriott. Best trade power, most valued week at whatever resort you are buying into and you should never be stuck with the timeshare, should you not want it any longer.
 
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Trade power is tough to figure out, especially when the Marriott preference is in play. II will tell you it doesn't care what season your week is rated within the Marriott system. What II cares about is their trade demand index. In the end having Marriott preference over other exchanges is the most valuable reason for owning any marriott week.

...and on the flip side of what Doug posted, I booked 4th of July week 2012 with my platinum Willowridge week and locked it off. I then used the studio portion to book a one bedroom for 4th of July week at Ocean Pointe and with the one bedroom portion of my my Willowridge deposit, I booked a two bedroom at Ocean Pointe for 4th of July week.

With the one bedroom portion of my 2011 Willowridge deposit (a late July 2011deposit) I booked Easter week 2012 at SurfWatch in a 2 bedroom. With the studio portion of my 2011 Willowridge deposit, I booked a 2 bedroom at the new Planet Hollywood in Vegas back in May of 2011. So, the trade power of a Willowridge week is very good, probably even great, but I do not have much to compare it against and trading power within II always changes.

Branson does trade well. I've seen that with my non-Marriott week at a tiny non-discript resort.

OTOH, I think Marriott over valued the gold season at Ocean Pointe and under valued the silver season. Silver season really appears to trade better than gold for Ocean Pointe. I can routinely see upsize trades in gold season using my silver season studio unit.

For this reason, I don't believe Ocean Pointe gold season would be a good choice if the OP is wanting to trade and, is wanting to own a season in which they can travel. Owning a silver season week would involve the risk and expense of always wanting to trade into a different season.

Branson isn't a bad choice but, is it the best choice for exchanging and having an ownership that the OP can reach reasonably easily? Branson's closest airport is the tiny privately owned airport just outside of Branson. Next would be Springfield, which is a regional airport. St. Louis might have an international terminal but I don't believe there are many, if any, internaltional flights. I don't believe Kansas City's airport has international flights. The closest international airports would be Chicago and Dallas. Both are considerable drives after an transatlantic or transpacific flight.

If being near an international airport is a must, then S. Florida, California, Washington DC and Las Vegas appear to be the logical airports. That would leave Newport Coast, Desert Springs, Manor Club, Oceana Palms, Ocean Point, Beachplace Towers and Villa's at Doral as the logical ownership possiblities (I'm sure I've left out an airport and other timeshares).

Of these Manor Club is probably the most economical. The FL resorts maybe don't have the trade power if they want to own a summer week. Grand Chateau is 100% platinum so they can choose any week to exchange but, staying in Vegas in the summer might be akin to spending a weeks vacation on the face of the sun. Desert Springs would suffer the same heat issues as Vegas. A Newport Coast platinum week might be the choice based on the process of elemination. Platinum season encompasses the summer months, platinum season should trade very well and Newport coast is near the international airport in LA. The only other choice would be Williamsburg, which I believe has a summer season that is platinum, is near an international airport in Washington, trades well and, has the bonus of being more affordable than Newport Coast.

I think I just talked myself into recommending Manor Club after all that thought process.
 
I'll take platinum over silver every day of the week. Ocean Pointe dues are sky high for some reason while Willowridge is the lowest in the Marriott system. It will take a long while (and never is more like it) for Willowridge to have more expensive dues that Ocean Pointe.

I can't immagine I will ever visit Willowridge, but only becuase it is a 12 hour drive from my home. I hope to visit Ocean Pointe many more times, though.

Renting is never my goal, so no comments from me, there.



You should not hung too much on the name of the season. Currently silver 2BR Ocean Pointe sells for about the same as 2BR Plat Willow Ridge on EBay. One reason for this is that silver season in OP is more like a typical gold season in many other Marriott resorts.
The reason why these both sells for about equal price is that as of this moment it is difficult to rent either plat Willow Ridge or silver Ocean Pointe for much (anything) above MFs.
Plat Willow Ridge has higher trade power but is in an overbuild location visited mostly by people that can not afford high rental prices (or MFs).
Ocean Pointe is better oceanfront resort but that is negated by lower demand during silver season and higher MFs.
If MFs of Willow Ridge tomorrow became equal to Ocean Pointe I am willing to bet with you that it will be more difficult to sell (get rid of) platinum Willow Ridge than silver Ocean Pointe.
So this should not be part of the equation as we have no idea what is going to happen in the future. A good reason to chose one or another will be distance to the buyer or plans to use the actual resort.
 
I'll take platinum over silver every day of the week. Ocean Pointe dues are sky high for some reason while Willowridge is the lowest in the Marriott system. It will take a long while (and never is more like it) for Willowridge to have more expensive dues that Ocean Pointe.

I can't immagine I will ever visit Willowridge, but only becuase it is a 12 hour drive from my home. I hope to visit Ocean Pointe many more times, though.

Renting is never my goal, so no comments from me, there.

I doubt Willow Ridge will ever approach the MF's of Ocean Pointe. If for no other reason property taxes and insurance costs in Florida are substantially higher than in Branson, MO.

Willow Ridge could suffer from escalating MF's depending on what the HOA thinks it needs to do with cash reserves. One of the statements Marriott made when they killed the Horizons brand was those two resorts would be brought up to typical MVCI standards. That would mean some uplanned upgrades to the unit's furnishings which, in turn would upset the apple cart for cash reserve funding calculations.

So far it hasn't appeared to make a difference. I'm not certain that it ever will but, it's something to keep in the back of the mind.

Willow Ridge is a great resort. Probably the best in Branson as far as I.I. affiliated resorts go. I would love to see them complete at least two more buildings. I don't believe we'll ever see the project completed as proposed.
 
Again thanks for all the info and advice!

I will have to think about it a bit more.

Willow Ridge seems an excellent choice as far as cost/trading is concerned. But I am a bit leery about buying there as I would have to exchange. I actually would love to visit Branson sometime but as others have mentioned it is just too remote for us to be a realistic destination on a regular basis.

Ocean Pointe sounds great and we would probably use it fairly regularly and silver season should work. Unfortunately, the mf are quite high....

I am kind of back to considering Shadow Ridge. Maybe if I got a gold season... I could use it to primarily exchange but if we had to we could use it.

At this point Manor Club does seem a pretty good choice. It is fairly easy to reach, there are many interesting things nearby and mf seem reasonable. Not quite sure about purchase cost though...

I will definitely keep an eye on ebay to get a better idea about how much these properties run!
 
At this point Manor Club does seem a pretty good choice. It is fairly easy to reach, there are many interesting things nearby and mf seem reasonable. Not quite sure about purchase cost though...

I will definitely keep an eye on ebay to get a better idea about how much these properties run!

I'm not an expert on this, but I've read here that the inventory on ebay jumps up at the end of the year when maintenance fees are coming up for the next year. You may also want to check out the TUG market place for TS sales. Be sure to remember that Manor Club has Full 2BRs and Lock-offs (sequel). Good Luck. Whichever marriott you choose, I'm sure you'll be very happy with it.:D
 
I'm not currently a Marriott owner, but I'm also considering buying a unit so this thread caught my attention.

I personally would never buy a Marriott resort in an over-populated area because I'm not at all convinced those weeks are necessarily even pulling much better Marriott trades than my non-Marriott, non-brand name (not even gold crown resorts) units pull. The properties we own are nothing special, but they are peak season and so II always gives ACs for them. This year we used one of the ACs to confirm a July 4th week at Marriott Aruba Ocean Club. Isn't that gold season, and a holiday no less? Granted it was a studio, but that's not even our real exchange, it was just an AC... We see plenty of 2BR / even 3 BR exchanges with my our bedroom week at Marriott properties as long as it's not prime season over school break. Last year we exchanged our 1 BR for a 2 BR at Marriott Fairway Villas over Christmas/New Year's (gold week).

What is interesting to me is that nobody mentioned the Park City resorts. Why not? Low maintenance fees (particularly the Mountainside resort), lock out units, and SLC is an easy to access international airport within 30-35 minutes drive. I'd love to own a Platinum week there. I know they are expensive, but we love to ski and I'm convinced this is the one timeshare on the market that isn't necessary a longterm financial loss outside of personal enjoyment (even though the units are expensive to buy, they seem to rent for a lot of money on Redweek).
 
What is interesting to me is that nobody mentioned the Park City resorts. Why not? Low maintenance fees (particularly the Mountainside resort), lock out units, and SLC is an easy to access international airport within 30-35 minutes drive. I'd love to own a Platinum week there. I know they are expensive, but we love to ski and I'm convinced this is the one timeshare on the market that isn't necessary a longterm financial loss outside of personal enjoyment (even though the units are expensive to buy, they seem to rent for a lot of money on Redweek).

I didn't think they were lock off units but I could be wrong. The OP was looking for lock off units.:confused:
 
You will pay between 15k - 20k for a Marriott Utah ski week. The OP was looking for something near free. You will pay about the same, maybe a little more for the Marriott summer Carolina weeks and I don't follow any other kind of weeks to know their price.

Unless you have a Marriott deposit and can see the inventory under preference then you have no idea what you are missing. Marriott is no different than Starwood and all the great inventory goes to owners. What you and me (with my WM deposits) see are weeks old left overs. I only travel during peak times so the Marriott preference is very important. For someone without kids or younger kids, traveling off season will net great trades.

Most timeshares are in over populated areas. What makes the difference is season. The buy where you want to go rule is great and certainely applies for the expensive timeshares and is what I think you are getting at. A lot of people can afford yearly dues but are not comfortable forking out upwards of 10k - 20k for a luxury purchase. Makes perfect sense to me to buy the cheapest platinum week in those instances and that means Willowridge or the desert or Williamsburg or Orlando, etc...

I would never buy a timeshare that wasn't a name brand. Sure you can get a cheap timeshare, even a cheap timeshare with dues closer to $500 a year that trades for the stuff you are seeing right now. If I am going to spend $1k a year on dues for each of my timeshare weeks, I had better be getting inventory that others can't get. When you own a Marriott or Starwood, you are getting inventory that others outside whatever system you buy into can't get. Of equal importance to me is being able to sell my timeshare when I am done. I don't need to make money of my purchases, but I would like to get whatever I paid for them and not have to wait for years to give them away and then pay dues for the new owner, etc... If you buy a platinum Marriott week at one of the overbuilt Marriott locations, today, you are pretty much certain to be able to sell them a year or years down the road for what you paid for them now and you won't have to wait very long, either. When you buy a Marriott in less than platinum season, your sale becomes harder.




I'm not currently a Marriott owner, but I'm also considering buying a unit so this thread caught my attention.

I personally would never buy a Marriott resort in an over-populated area because I'm not at all convinced those weeks are necessarily even pulling much better Marriott trades than my non-Marriott, non-brand name (not even gold crown resorts) units pull. The properties we own are nothing special, but they are peak season and so II always gives ACs for them. This year we used one of the ACs to confirm a July 4th week at Marriott Aruba Ocean Club. Isn't that gold season, and a holiday no less? Granted it was a studio, but that's not even our real exchange, it was just an AC... We see plenty of 2BR / even 3 BR exchanges with my our bedroom week at Marriott properties as long as it's not prime season over school break. Last year we exchanged our 1 BR for a 2 BR at Marriott Fairway Villas over Christmas/New Year's (gold week).

What is interesting to me is that nobody mentioned the Park City resorts. Why not? Low maintenance fees (particularly the Mountainside resort), lock out units, and SLC is an easy to access international airport within 30-35 minutes drive. I'd love to own a Platinum week there. I know they are expensive, but we love to ski and I'm convinced this is the one timeshare on the market that isn't necessary a longterm financial loss outside of personal enjoyment (even though the units are expensive to buy, they seem to rent for a lot of money on Redweek).
 
I'm 99% certain that the MOU units are lock-offs. We stayed in one the week after Thanksgiving a few years ago. Had a conference for work in SLC anyway, so it was worth the chance for us with the weather since my flight didn't cost anything (was covered by work as was the car rental). We got lucky and there was a big snow storm the week before we went. Brought friends with us and they stayed in the lock out part - amazing trip. That resort is awesome.

IMO there is no other ski resorts like it with stable MFs. The comparable Colorado properties (Hyatt, etc.) are through the roof in MF costs. The Marriott Timberlodge has a lot higher maintenance fees. Also maybe I'm being too fussy - but it's not really ski in / ski out the way the Mountainside is (you have to take a 15ish min gondola that leaves you off in a place that requires either a long uphill trek to the lift or quite a bit of poling). With MOU, you can easily go back to your unit for lunch. With Timberlodge it's a big pain to do this.

My biggest reservation with buying MOU is that it's expensive and I worry that unless I were to buy 2 weeks it may be hard to reserve a good ski week. For instance, I'm guessing that the Sundance Film Festival weeks disappear in the 13 month preference period.
 
You will pay between 15k - 20k for a Marriott Utah ski week. The OP was looking for something near free. You will pay about the same, maybe a little more for the Marriott summer Carolina weeks and I don't follow any other kind of weeks to know their price.

Actually, neither are that really that much. That's just the list price. And even still, as an example, if you check redweek, Marriott OceanWatch currently has a listing for $10,995 right now (IMO who the heck cares if it's Garden view)? MOU is a bit more, but anyone who pays 20K is paying too much when the list price on some of the high ball websites is only 17-18K.

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Unless you have a Marriott deposit and can see the inventory under preference then you have no idea what you are missing. Marriott is no different than Starwood and all the great inventory goes to owners. What you and me (with my WM deposits) see are weeks old left overs. I only travel during peak times so the Marriott preference is very important. For someone without kids or younger kids, traveling off season will net great trades.

Well you do get an idea from the distressed forum... By the way, the kids are off from school in the summer and Aruba is wonderfully comfortable at that time of year because of the trade winds (the most underrated time to go there IMO). We're from NYC and it was way hotter back home than it was in Aruba. We purchased a bigger unit on redweek in addition to the studio so we could all go as a family. It was very cheap $900 for the week plus the studio AC fee for the other unit).

Most timeshares are in over populated areas. What makes the difference is season. The buy where you want to go rule is great and certainely applies for the expensive timeshares and is what I think you are getting at. A lot of people can afford yearly dues but are not comfortable forking out upwards of 10k - 20k for a luxury purchase. Makes perfect sense to me to buy the cheapest platinum week in those instances and that means Willowridge or the desert or Williamsburg or Orlando, etc...

But the location does matter for trade power. So does the season. We have Easter week fairly often (or at least it's someone's break). Beachfront in the Caribbean gets a decent enough exchange even though the property isn't so nice. But the reason I wouldn't buy in places like Orlando is because I know that I can buy a 2BR getaway there pretty much all year for a couple hundred dollars at a beatiful Marriott property. That person who gave the example of exchanges with the $1700 MFs for a Las Vegas Mariott exchanges could probably have purchased all 3 of those trades as II getaways for much less than $1700 (none of those were really high demand properties at peak time).

I would never buy a timeshare that wasn't a name brand. Sure you can get a cheap timeshare, even a cheap timeshare with dues closer to $500 a year that trades for the stuff you are seeing right now.

I wouldn't either. Dumb mistake my parents made a long time ago - fortunately it was only a 30 year RTU so it's almost done. No need to take a hit paying someone to take it from us (i.e. it may sell for a dollar but only if we paid the ridiculous transfer fees, closing costs, etc.) After this experience, I personally wouldn't look to buy something that couldn't easily be rented for an amount comfortably above my maintenance. That's my own definition of selling value. A MOU 2 BDR renting for $1500 during prime ski season would rent almost instantly on redweek. Nobody would rent that low but that's 50% more than the maintenance (i.e. unless your greedy, your property is rentable if you decide not to use it or if you want to go to a non-timeshare place one year and use the rental income to pay for it).

If I am going to spend $1k a year on dues for each of my timeshare weeks, I had better be getting inventory that others can't get. When you own a Marriott or Starwood, you are getting inventory that others outside whatever system you buy into can't get.

If that's really true, it's a fair point. But you already said your Branson week can't pull South Carolina beach summer weeks. What about winter ski weeks in Park City? I'm guessing not. Aruba over Easter / February break? Probably not. We took an Ocean Pointe studio over Easter week this year (just 2 of us) for our 1 BR and I'm guessing you can probably get a 1 BR there for yours over the holiday. A better deal for sure (but I accknowledged I would never buy the one we have again...)

If you buy a platinum Marriott week at one of the overbuilt Marriott locations, today, you are pretty much certain to be able to sell them a year or years down the road for what you paid for them now and you won't have to wait very long, either. When you buy a Marriott in less than platinum season, your sale becomes harder.

Just my opinion, but I bet one of these days the Orlando properties will become difficult to sell.
 
I would never buy a timeshare that wasn't a name brand. Sure you can get a cheap timeshare, even a cheap timeshare with dues closer to $500 a year that trades for the stuff you are seeing right now. If I am going to spend $1k a year on dues for each of my timeshare weeks, I had better be getting inventory that others can't get. When you own a Marriott or Starwood, you are getting inventory that others outside whatever system you buy into can't get. Of equal importance to me is being able to sell my timeshare when I am done. I don't need to make money of my purchases, but I would like to get whatever I paid for them and not have to wait for years to give them away and then pay dues for the new owner, etc... If you buy a platinum Marriott week at one of the overbuilt Marriott locations, today, you are pretty much certain to be able to sell them a year or years down the road for what you paid for them now and you won't have to wait very long, either. When you buy a Marriott in less than platinum season, your sale becomes harder.

This is sound advice for the risk averse. This is also part of the rationale behind people who buy brands in other walks of life. There is that perception of dependable quality and reputation. And with timeshares, that will likely extend to ability to resell if and when the time comes.

However, if one is slightly risk taking and financially shrewd, they may also discover that the savings enjoyed over time by purchasing a quality no-name may far exceed what they have to pay offload it when the time comes.

Unless you have a Marriott deposit and can see the inventory under preference then you have no idea what you are missing. Marriott is no different than Starwood and all the great inventory goes to owners. What you and me (with my WM deposits) see are weeks old left overs. I only travel during peak times so the Marriott preference is very important. For someone without kids or younger kids, traveling off season will net great trades.

I see the most compelling rationale to buy brand is for exchanging. The internal preference for peak season seems to be very powerful by all accounts. I haven't tried yet, but until I'm able to pull an ongoing request for NCV or MGO or MOC in summer with my off-brand timeshares, I will acknowledge that this is what makes having the brand make sense in my mind.
 
I see the most compelling rationale to buy brand is for exchanging. The internal preference for peak season seems to be very powerful by all accounts. I haven't tried yet, but until I'm able to pull an ongoing request for NCV or MGO or MOC in summer with my off-brand timeshares, I will acknowledge that this is what makes having the brand make sense in my mind.

Are you saying that in contrast a platinum Orlando or Branson week with Marriott preference (as opposed to the non-Marriott) is going to have a decent chance to pull these exchanges? If so, why is there another current string about OceanWatch platinum owners having trouble getting true summer weeks during their own season (I know you mentioned the Grande but I would think those have similar desirability levels). That string has me all but convinced not to buy Marriott unless I'm committed to buy two so I can use the 13 month preference.

Going back to the original poster, for someone who is looking to stay in Desert Springs, Ocean Point, and Orlando during the summer months, I really don't believe it's necessary to be a Marriott owner. I say this based on the fact that during the summer using our non-Marriott 1 BR (not even silver rated) exchange I consistently see plenty of online availablity for 2 BR (and even 3 BR) Marriott exchanges in all of these places. I'm not suggesting my parents made a smart decision in their purchase. The maintence fees on their place are too high. The point I'm making is there are lots of Gold rated places in desirable low maintenance areas like South Carolina where a lock-out summer week would cost less than or about the same as buying an Orlando or Branson summer week at a Marriott with much lower maintenence. Some (such as the Spinnaker properties) trade both RCI and II.

As for the WM suggestion, that concept of being able to buy points to confirm as many units or trades as you want at varying sizes sounds very interesting to me. I had no idea about that feature and will look into that for when the time comes to buy. That's a huge benefit to have - I just wish the WM properties were more appealing to us (their west coast ski properties aren't ski-in / ski-out which is a priority to us if we travel for a ski trip) and there isn't much of a selection of resorts on the east coast.
 
I am very risk adverse when it comes to timeshares -- and houses-- and probably lots of other things. I know some people look at timeshares as an investment and some people do still make good money off them or buy the off brand resorts and are perfectly happy with the trades they get. I look at timeshares a complete luxury purchase and as a means to take really nice vacations I wouldn't otherwise be able to afford. So far I have loved all my timeshare purchases, especially my Willowridge and WM timeshare. I loved DVC but that was so expensive and I kept getting less and less vacation time out of it. My OceanWatch is definately my favorite but my Willowridge gets me two vacations a year and now that I understand the Marriott preferene I know what resorts/weeks I can get with Willowridge.

About Willowridge not pulling the summer carolina weeks, the jury is still out on that for me. Last year I would 100% agree that trade won't happen. This year and next year I am more optomistic because a Platinum Harbor Lake (orlando) pulled a Grande Ocean in July for this summer. In face, the person who got that exchange is at Grande Ocean right now and has posted a few times from the resort. Last year, I know a couple Willowridge owners who got mid August weeks in the Carolinas, but that was the best I had heard about.

Will Willowridge pull a Marriott ski week, absolutely. The ski weeks are almost always deposited as a one bedroom and a lock off and ski weeks are a pretty easy trade with Marriott preference. I'm not saying all ski weeks are easy or even possible (Christmas, New Years and Presidents week) are usually out of the question. With that said, there were many last minute Utah Christmas and New Years weeks avalable last year with 60 days of check-in, but they were in Marriott preference. Last year, I do not think there was much snow for Christams and New Years and I have a feeling that is why there were a few deposits within flex.

Regarding Marriott ski weeks, I got a Presidents day week for 2013 with a 4k credit WM deposit, and I got that exchange this past February, nearly a full year before check-in. I've had no such luck with the Utah properties but those resorts are more expensive for me to fly to -- so maybe it is for the best.

Again, unless you have a Marriott week you won't be able to appreciate the value in having the Marriott preference. Truely, my WM points have yet to pull a summer Carolina week (marriott or any other brand) or an Easter Carolina week). NCV doesn't appeal to me, but I know that is a hard resort to get. My Willowridge week has pulled all but the Carolina summer weeks. The key is depositing the full 2 bedroom for those very difficult trades. So many people try with just the one bedroom and it never happens.

Someone posted about WM and how great it sounds to be able to rent points for as many trades as you want. Absolutely that is true. I do it all the time for my family. We all use my 5k WM account. Comes to about $650 in point rental from other owners for a 2 bedroom from either II or RCI. Of course there is no Marriott preference or Starwood preference in II for WM owners so we are excluded from those super hard to get exhanges but there are lots of trick with WM to get your trades even cheaper. For example, I just used a blue 3 bedroom WM deposit (cost was 7k points) and turned that into two 1 bedroom exchanges into Ocean Pointe for next 4th of July. I used another WM blue 3 bedroom deposit (cost 7k points) and booked this coming Easter week in a two bedroom at Harbor Lake.

...but back to Marriott's Willowridge. Despite what you might think about its trading power, it will get you your trade more times than not.

This is sound advice for the risk averse. This is also part of the rationale behind people who buy brands in other walks of life. There is that perception of dependable quality and reputation. And with timeshares, that will likely extend to ability to resell if and when the time comes.

However, if one is slightly risk taking and financially shrewd, they may also discover that the savings enjoyed over time by purchasing a quality no-name may far exceed what they have to pay offload it when the time comes.



I see the most compelling rationale to buy brand is for exchanging. The internal preference for peak season seems to be very powerful by all accounts. I haven't tried yet, but until I'm able to pull an ongoing request for NCV or MGO or MOC in summer with my off-brand timeshares, I will acknowledge that this is what makes having the brand make sense in my mind.
 
That string about OceanWatch owners having trouble booking has nothing to do with II. Those owners are complaining about how hard it is to book their week with Marriott. When you buy into OceanWatch as is the case with just about all the other Marriott resorts, you are buying a floating week (platinum plus is a fixed week) and so you have to call 12 or 13 months before the check-in date you want and hope you get it. For more owners than not, they get their week, but some owners get locked out of July weeks.

The big problem with OceanWatch is that Marriott only has one resort in Myrtle beach as opposed to 4 beach front resorts in Hilton Head. On top of that so many OceanWatch owners rent their week, thus keeping a lot of inventory from II.

...but trading into OceanWatch is going to be hard for anyone, even other Platinum Marriott Carolina owners.

Are you saying that in contrast a platinum Orlando or Branson week with Marriott preference (as opposed to the non-Marriott) is going to have a decent chance to pull these exchanges? If so, why is there another current string about OceanWatch platinum owners having trouble getting true summer weeks during their own season (I know you mentioned the Grande but I would think those have similar desirability levels). That string has me all but convinced not to buy Marriott unless I'm committed to buy two so I can use the 13 month preference.

Going back to the original poster, for someone who is looking to stay in Desert Springs, Ocean Point, and Orlando during the summer months, I really don't believe it's necessary to be a Marriott owner. I say this based on the fact that during the summer using our non-Marriott 1 BR (not even silver rated) exchange I consistently see plenty of online availablity for 2 BR (and even 3 BR) Marriott exchanges in all of these places. I'm not suggesting my parents made a smart decision in their purchase. The maintence fees on their place are too high. The point I'm making is there are lots of Gold rated places in desirable low maintenance areas like South Carolina where a lock-out summer week would cost less than or about the same as buying an Orlando or Branson summer week at a Marriott with much lower maintenence. Some (such as the Spinnaker properties) trade both RCI and II.

As for the WM suggestion, that concept of being able to buy points to confirm as many units or trades as you want at varying sizes sounds very interesting to me. I had no idea about that feature and will look into that for when the time comes to buy. That's a huge benefit to have - I just wish the WM properties were more appealing to us (their west coast ski properties aren't ski-in / ski-out which is a priority to us if we travel for a ski trip) and there isn't much of a selection of resorts on the east coast.
 
Thinking it over even more I think Willow Ridge - while tempting - wouldn't be the best choice for us. The trading power sounds really good and it is comparatively inexpensive but I am just worried that things could change in the future and the trading power could decline. Of course that is true for any timeshare but Willow Ridge would just be too difficult for us to get to regularly so we really wouldn't be able to use it ourselves which means we would be stuck with mfs for nothing (and as Willow Ridge seems to be often used for trading it might be difficult to get rid off if the trading power had declined). Still, if we lived closer Willow Ridge would probably be my first choice.

Ocean Pointe sounds lovely but my main goal in buying a timeshare is to make our vacations more affordable and the mf are just a bit high for my taste.

Which leaves Manor Club and Shadow Ridge (gold). Manor Club we would probably use quite a bit as it is easy to get to and there are many nearby destinations for extending our vacation (Washington DC, the beach, etc.). Shadow Ridge would also be fairly easy to get to and if we had to we could use gold season (though it would be a bit tricky). The same is true for Desert Springs but here mf are higher (though being able to trade both with RCI and II would be a plus).

Now I am just wondering how these two properties trade. Does anyone have information about the relative trading power of Manor Club or Shadow Ridge (gold)? For the most part we wouldn't need truly high season though it would be nice to get Easter if necessary. Main destinations would be California, Florida, East Coast. Maybe something in Europe once in a while (here we would be more flexible with the dates). Also, I assume Marriott trades well outside Marriott as well?
 
Thinking it over even more I think Willow Ridge - while tempting - wouldn't be the best choice for us. The trading power sounds really good and it is comparatively inexpensive but I am just worried that things could change in the future and the trading power could decline. Of course that is true for any timeshare but Willow Ridge would just be too difficult for us to get to regularly so we really wouldn't be able to use it ourselves which means we would be stuck with mfs for nothing (and as Willow Ridge seems to be often used for trading it might be difficult to get rid off if the trading power had declined). Still, if we lived closer Willow Ridge would probably be my first choice.

Ocean Pointe sounds lovely but my main goal in buying a timeshare is to make our vacations more affordable and the mf are just a bit high for my taste.

Which leaves Manor Club and Shadow Ridge (gold). Manor Club we would probably use quite a bit as it is easy to get to and there are many nearby destinations for extending our vacation (Washington DC, the beach, etc.). Shadow Ridge would also be fairly easy to get to and if we had to we could use gold season (though it would be a bit tricky). The same is true for Desert Springs but here mf are higher (though being able to trade both with RCI and II would be a plus).

Now I am just wondering how these two properties trade. Does anyone have information about the relative trading power of Manor Club or Shadow Ridge (gold)? For the most part we wouldn't need truly high season though it would be nice to get Easter if necessary. Main destinations would be California, Florida, East Coast. Maybe something in Europe once in a while (here we would be more flexible with the dates). Also, I assume Marriott trades well outside Marriott as well?

I have Manor club (fords colony 2 br nonlockoff platinum) and 2br lock off gold shadow ridge and 3 br lock off gold grand vista, and 2 br plat lock off grand chateau. I bought all for trading and reasonable m.f.s ( for Marriott) In all honesty I have been able to get virtually the same trades with my Studio as I can for the 1 or 2 br at EACH of the resorts. Two things though: for making requests (which is the best way to use II) the larger room size is necessary to request an equal room size (unless your smart and request a resort that only has larger rooms. Overall I haven't noted a huge difference with any my units but would rank them (based on a Slightly better trade power) as follows for trade power: 1)MC (however, I am using a full 2 br to trade, thus tend to use this in dc program or trade for 120k rewards pts towards travel package, or a II request for 2br) 2)MC 3) gv 4) sr. One other thing - shadow ridge taxes are billed separate, and not included in mfs which brings my sr mfs a bit above my mc. If I had to buy today I would look seriously at gv gold or plat manor club sequel ( because it has lockoff). Luckily I was able to join dc program as resale purchases for all of my properties, so I can find better uses for my mc non- lockoff. Eventually you may be able to also, so you may also want to look at current dc values in which case I would pick GC! Good luck!! Pete
 
I have Manor club (fords colony 2 br nonlockoff platinum) and 2br lock off gold shadow ridge and 3 br lock off gold grand vista, and 2 br plat lock off grand chateau. I bought all for trading and reasonable m.f.s ( for Marriott) In all honesty I have been able to get virtually the same trades with my Studio as I can for the 1 or 2 br at EACH of the resorts. Two things though: for making requests (which is the best way to use II) the larger room size is necessary to request an equal room size (unless your smart and request a resort that only has larger rooms. Overall I haven't noted a huge difference with any my units but would rank them (based on a Slightly better trade power) as follows for trade power: 1)MC (however, I am using a full 2 br to trade, thus tend to use this in dc program or trade for 120k rewards pts towards travel package, or a II request for 2br) 2)MC 3) gv 4) sr. One other thing - shadow ridge taxes are billed separate, and not included in mfs which brings my sr mfs a bit above my mc. If I had to buy today I would look seriously at gv gold or plat manor club sequel ( because it has lockoff). Luckily I was able to join dc program as resale purchases for all of my properties, so I can find better uses for my mc non- lockoff. Eventually you may be able to also, so you may also want to look at current dc values in which case I would pick GC! Good luck!! Pete

My 2nd choice should read GC not MC....
 
For relative trade power, I would look towards II Travel demand index(TDI).
For the 4 weeks in August Williamsburg has a TDI of 150 while Palm Springs has a TDI of 85-90.
For successful trading during the summer and Holiday weeks I always try to
1. Request early
2. Be flexible
3. Have realistic expectations.

Not all, but a lot of the great trade up stories you read about here are by people who are flexible and can travel during off peak seasons or by picking up weeks during the flex-trade period.
If your flying into the country during the summer and holiday weeks a lot of these great trade up will be difficult to get.;)
 
For relative trade power, I would look towards II Travel demand index(TDI).
For the 4 weeks in August Williamsburg has a TDI of 150 while Palm Springs has a TDI of 85-90.
For successful trading during the summer and Holiday weeks I always try to
1. Request early
2. Be flexible
3. Have realistic expectations.

Not all, but a lot of the great trade up stories you read about here are by people who are flexible and can travel during off peak seasons or by picking up weeks during the flex-trade period.
If your flying into the country during the summer and holiday weeks a lot of these great trade up will be difficult to get.;)

Well, I am not really looking for great trade ups (I think). I would be perfectly happy with a 1 bedroom unit and don't need July or Christmas. Mostly August to early September and maybe once in a while Easter (which of course would be a holiday week). Still, I would like to be able to pull a decent variety and occasionally something at Easter etc.

Actually, I think I could get into the flex-trade period occasionally. When travelling to areas with a good supply (at that time of year) I would be willing to book the flight and wait to confirm the resort until shortly before the trip. For example I would think that it is easy to find something in Orlando or Palm Springs in late August/early September (based on my experience with booking hotels). We are leaving for the States in a week and I just yesterday booked a resort for the end of August.
 
Well, I am not really looking for great trade ups (I think). I would be perfectly happy with a 1 bedroom unit and don't need July or Christmas. Mostly August to early September and maybe once in a while Easter (which of course would be a holiday week). Still, I would like to be able to pull a decent variety and occasionally something at Easter etc.

Actually, I think I could get into the flex-trade period occasionally. When travelling to areas with a good supply (at that time of year) I would be willing to book the flight and wait to confirm the resort until shortly before the trip. For example I would think that it is easy to find something in Orlando or Palm Springs in late August/early September (based on my experience with booking hotels). We are leaving for the States in a week and I just yesterday booked a resort for the end of August.
Sounds like you've already made up your mind. I think you should go with you gut. Like i said in an earlier post, I think you'll be happy with any Marriott you choose.;)
 
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