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Thanks for posting. IMO, Myrtle Beach is already overloaded with HGVC resorts. So, I will have no desire to utilize it. But what I am interested in is will this resort trade with Legacy HGVC members.
 

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Thanks for posting. IMO, Myrtle Beach is already overloaded with HGVC resorts. So, I will have no desire to utilize it. But what I am interested in is will this resort trade with Legacy HGVC members.
All they need to do is lower the Club Season Window to 6 months (instead of 9 months) to keep everyone happy.
 

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Would love to see a Caribbean and or Mexico All Inclusive.
 

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FYI...It sounds like many retirees moving to Myrtle Beach. Note WSJ article is behind paywall but you get the gist.


Older Americans Are Moving to Myrtle Beach Faster Than Anywhere Else​

Why home buyers, especially those aged 65 and over, can’t seem to get enough of the area​

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On South Carolina’s Atlantic Ocean coast, near North Carolina’s border, is the Myrtle Beach area. The 60-mile stretch, called the Grand Strand, comprises 14 communities. Its center of gravity is the city of Myrtle Beach, a centrally located entertainment hub with a population of around 40,000—a number that greatly swells in the summer. The surrounding communities vary in size and each have their own personalities: Conway is a historic town; Murrells Inlet is a fishing village; Surfside Beach is a family beach area. The region, which receives more than 18 million visitors annually, attracts home buyers of all kinds, from families to second-home owners to vacation-rental investors. It is also a hot spot for retirees: Between 2020 and 2023, the area had the country’s fastest-growing population of adults aged 65 and older, up 23%, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
 

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There are beach areas in North Carolina before MB that are idea for consideration.
 

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Strand Capitol must be making a mint off of their SC Properties. If I remember correctly, Strand is fronting the money and charges a ton for their deeds. They buy back almost everything through ROFR and sell it again.

This brings me hope for another Hilton Head property. Even if it's only Max Member available, it would still decrease the presser on Ocean Oak, hopefully making it a little easier to book.
 

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This brings me hope for another Hilton Head property. Even if it's only Max Member available, it would still decrease the presser on Ocean Oak, hopefully making it a little easier to book.
The problem with HHI is obtaining the property.

They buy back almost everything through ROFR and sell it again.
I don't understand why HGVC doesn't implement the same strategy.
 

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The problem with HHI is obtaining the property.


I don't understand why HGVC doesn't implement the same strategy.
Might be more efficient trying to get resale purchasers to upgrade.
 

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The problem with HHI is obtaining the property.


I don't understand why HGVC doesn't implement the same strategy.

HGV probably feels they have too much-unsold inventory. Based on the financial reports included in the Nov investor call, the unsold inventory on the books has grown from 1400 to 2243 million since Dec 31, 2023.

They are not going to exercise ROFR just because something is a good deal; they only want to buy back what they can expect to sell in a reasonable time.
 

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The problem with HHI is obtaining the property.
Yup. My hope comes in if there is a piece of property that opens up, Strand just might go after it. I never thought they would build more in MB (or anywhere for that matter). Proposing a new building there gives me hope that they just might in HHI.

I don't understand why HGVC doesn't implement the same strategy.
I don't understand either. The only scenario I can think of is that between the Legacy HGVC, HVC and now BG, they have way too much inventory they have to pay MF's on. Throw in the fact that they just spent millions of dollars on DRI and BG, I'm not sure they want to keep paying the MF's on the deeds they own. HGV is also a public company where as Strand is private. They don't have to worry what their stock does, they can make investments as they see fit.
 

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I don't understand why HGVC doesn't implement the same strategy.

I assume they do this for all they can sell.
 

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My number one location wish would be Grand Cayman on Seven Mile Beach.
 

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My number one location wish would be Grand Cayman on Seven Mile Beach.
We need Strand to expand their operations outside of SC. I really don't see HGV expanding their portfolio because of what @1Kflyerguy posted in post #38
HGV probably feels they have too much-unsold inventory. Based on the financial reports included in the Nov investor call, the unsold inventory on the books has grown from 1400 to 2243 million since Dec 31, 2023.
So I see outside-investors as our only near-term option.
 

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We need Strand to expand their operations outside of SC. I really don't see HGV expanding their portfolio because of what @1Kflyerguy posted in post #38

So I see outside-investors as our only near-term option.

Sad but true.

My Cayman mention was just a “wish”. Wishes sometimes aren’t reality. I also “wish” I was 20 years younger…😀
 

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We need Strand to expand their operations outside of SC. I really don't see HGV expanding their portfolio because of what @1Kflyerguy posted in post #38

So I see outside-investors as our only near-term option.
Hopefully someone outside of Strand. A new partner would be even better. Before all of the talks of DRI buying out HGV back in 2019, that’s what all of the talk was about, 3rd party and fee-for-service additions. A new addition in Pigeon Forge was talked about. It was supposed to be like Chicago where it was the top few floors of an existing hotel. That was in the 2019 Q2 investors call right before the DRI take over was talked about. Haven’t heard of anything since.
 

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These are some great suggestions. I would also like something in the Caribbean or California wine country, though there are few timeshares in the wine countries.

I hope they keep building new resorts that are bookable for legacy owners, not just Max.
 

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I hope they keep building new resorts that are bookable for legacy owners, not just Max.
Since Max is just an inter-collection exchange system, I would expect whatever new resorts they build to be bookable by legacy owners. The only question for me is whether it would be HGVC, The Club, Embarc, Bluegreen, or a new collection - the last option for a new collection seems unlikely unless it's another acquisition.
 

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Since Max is just an inter-collection exchange system, I would expect whatever new resorts they build to be bookable by legacy owners. The only question for me is whether it would be HGVC, The Club, Embarc, Bluegreen, or a new collection - the last option for a new collection seems unlikely unless it's another acquisition.
Any resort that goes into BG or DRI/ HVC would go into their trust. Not sure how much they would make off of adding properties to the trust, especially if they are fee-for-service/3rd party properties. Maybe Embarc so they can offer more points in their trust but I still think there is a lack of monetary motivation for someone on the outside.

I think @GT75 has it right. The real issue is whether Legacy owners will be able to book any new HGVC properties. I’m not convinced either way, but tend to lean toward Max only.
 

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These are some great suggestions. I would also like something in the Caribbean or California wine country, though there are few timeshares in the wine countries.

I hope they keep building new resorts that are bookable for legacy owners, not just Max.
napa/sonoma would have year round appeal and not just for oenophiles. great call.
 
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