Where is Dharmesh Patel, aka svacationman, aka ttimershareman???

[richardm]

Jim's shouting in town square!

However, there is a second way to provide Notice.

2) Actual Notice can be provided by going into the town square and yelling at the top of your voice that you have transferred title to the new owner. That's the way it used to be done before recording instruments and public records are created.

The secret is now out! :hysterical:

OUr BlueGreen specialists all said Jim seems to be able to get his transfers completed just a little faster than most everyone else! You're so close to corporate- they actually hear it when you scream!

You'd better hope the Diamond merger doesn't move resort title to Vegas- I don't know if you can yell that loud! :rofl:

 

[AwayWeGo]

Hear Ye, Hear Ye !

Actual Notice can be provided by going into the town square and yelling at the top of your voice that you have transferred title to the new owner. That's the way it used to be done before recording instruments and public records are created.

Over in Britain & up in Canada, there are official Town Criers who can handle that sort of thing just about the way it was done in Olden Days.

Shux, there are even wannabees right here in the USA.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[Dave H]

Actually Jim is correct, a deed need not be recorded to be valid. However the delivery and acceptance is still there. That way you can not prpepare a quit claim back to the resort, stick it in a drawer and say it is all theres.

Actually Jim, on title policies there is generally an exception on the policy for unrecorded acts as we can not insure what can not be searched.

 

[calgarygary]

By the way, just to clarify, the issue was easily corrected with the deed, it was getting the HOA to accept the change. I personally think that they recognized that they had been dealing with a PCC and wanted a regular schmoe (me!) on the hook for MF even if the transfer was an error. Oddly, when the county recorded the corrective deed, they recorded the wrong week but the HOA allowed that to go through.

 

[Talent312]

Oddly, when the county recorded the corrective deed, they recorded the wrong week...

The county records the deed, not the week. So where did they go wrong? If the county's index is wrong, that's merely a clerical error that a phone call to the recording office will fix.

The deed to my house contained an error in my address. Knowing that the property appraiser and tax collector would rely on that, I simply sent them notice of my correct address. Now they know where to send my tax notices. :-/

 

[AwayWeGo]

Weeks, Shmeex.

The county records the deed, not the week. So where is it wrong? If its reportred incorrectly in the county's index, that's merely a clerical error that a phone call to the public records office will fix.

On my timeshare deeds, the units and the weeks are recorded.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[Talent312]

On my timeshare deeds, the units and the weeks are recorded.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

I'm confused. In Florida, the "record" is a photocopy of the instrument, not the index in which its reported. So, how do they "record" the week? Is there a separate book into which a notation is made as to the week #'s... if so, it seems to me that scrivner's errors in this record should be easily corrected.

 

[AwayWeGo]

What It Says On My (Florida) Timeshare Deed. (One Of'm.)

Parcel (Unit) Number: B36AB

Vacation Week Number: 10

Designated Season: DIAMOND

That's copied right off the deed (a photocopy of the recorded document bearing the stamp of the Orange County comptroller).

If you want to look it up, it's . . .

INSTR 30020119639
OR BK 06806 PG 4234
02/28/2003 12:27:15 PM
DEED DOC TAX 14.00
REC FEE 10.50

I'm not familiar with any index in which it's reported; all I can find on the comptroller's records search web site is the deed itself. So it goes.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[Dave H]

Talent:

You are correct in that the Comptroller here in Orange the Clerk everywhere else records only the physical document. They technically do not record the weeks. The Clerks office is just the keeper of the records.

The resort records the weeks so they dont sell the same unit and week more than once.

Alan, while the legal description is on the deed, the deed is what is recorded. The Clerks offices do not maintain the records of who owns what weeks, just who the owners are.

See Number 3

1. Competency and capacity of the Grantor and Grantee to give and receive title.
2. Recitation of Consideration, however specific consideration does not have to be shown. (may change in the future here)
3. Adequate legal description
4. Granting Language
5. Execution by grantor in the presence of 2 subscribing witnesses
6. Delivery and acceptance

 

[Talent312]

Talent:
You are correct in that the Comptroller here in Orange (the Clerk everywhere else) records only the physical document. They technically do not record the weeks. The Clerks office is just the keeper of the records.

The resort records the weeks so they dont sell the same unit and week more than once.

Alan, while the legal description is on the deed, the deed is what is recorded. The Clerks offices do not maintain the records of who owns what weeks, just who the owners are.

RIGHT. Hence, my query to CargaryGary about this statement:
"Oddly, when the county recorded the corrective deed, they recorded the wrong week..."
The only way for the county to record the wrong week is if the deed was wrong.
Perhaps the poster intended the term "they" to refer to some entity other than the "county."

BTW, when I use the term "index," I'm referring to whichever database one uses to locate documents in the record. B4 the advent of online services, the "index" (a/k/a "Grantor-Grantee Index") was a series of books which listed the names of the parties to every instrument of record, the date of the instrument, and a brief description of the instrument. Folks used to have to go to the record office and physically thumb thru these indexes.

 

[BocaBum99]

The secret is now out! :hysterical:

OUr BlueGreen specialists all said Jim seems to be able to get his transfers completed just a little faster than most everyone else! You're so close to corporate- they actually hear it when you scream!

You'd better hope the Diamond merger doesn't move resort title to Vegas- I don't know if you can yell that loud! :rofl:

That's really funny. :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

 

[calgarygary]

RIGHT. Hence, my query to CargaryGary about this statement:
"Oddly, when the county recorded the corrective deed, they recorded the wrong week..."
The only way for the county to record the wrong week is if the deed was wrong.
Perhaps the poster intended the term "they" to refer to some entity other than the "county."

BTW, when I use the term "index," I'm referring to whichever database one uses to locate documents in the record. B4 the advent of online services, the "index" (a/k/a "Grantor-Grantee Index") was a series of books which listed the names of the parties to every instrument of record, the date of the instrument, and a brief description of the instrument. Folks used to have to go to the record office and physically thumb thru these indexes.

I am surprised that you have such faith in the abilities of people to do their job correctly. I intended by the term they, the county. The week that was mistakenly transferred to me was a week 38 - on both the original deed and the corrective deed that I used to transfer the unit back. However, the county, despite your claim otherwise, recorded a week 28 for the corrective deed. The HOA would not accept the first deed we completed trying to transfer Sheraton PGA back out of our name because in Canada, or Alberta at least, a lawyer can sign as a witness for a real estate transaction. Apparently, that was unacceptable to the HOA although the deed was registered at the county. Therefore a corrective deed was sent and completed and the county managed to record it incorrectly, but the HOA was good to go despite the error.

 

[Talent312]

The week that was mistakenly transferred to me was a week 38 - on both the original deed and the corrective deed that I used to transfer the unit back. However, the county... recorded a week 28 for the corrective deed. The HOA would not accept the first deed we completed trying to transfer Sheraton PGA back out of our name because in Canada, or Alberta at least, a lawyer can sign as a witness for a real estate transaction. Apparently, that was unacceptable to the HOA although the deed was registered at the county. Therefore a corrective deed was sent and completed and the county managed to record it incorrectly, but the HOA was good to go despite the error.

I'll choose to remain terminally confused.
We must be talking about two different types of recording --
(1) Mine is where some county go-fer stamps the document, copies it, puts the copy in a record-book and returns the original. The copy is the "record."
(B) Is yours where the go-fer transcribes pertinent details from the deed in an official-journal (or index) of some sort and got that wrong?

If its simply a transcription error (B), it seems to me that you should be able to show them your deed with the correct information, ask them to compare it to what they put in their record and correct the record.

Apparently, the HOA relied on the deed, not the county's record. Good for them, but for anyone else running a title search years from now, it would be helpful to have the correct information in the public record.

 

[calgarygary]

I believe that St. Lucie falls into category 2 - but I really don't care as I said earlier, this was a transfer out of my name. As long as the HOA will stop chasing me for MF for a unit that was never purchased by me, then I'm happy. It took a long time but mystarcentral at least shows that the unit isn't mine. The next owner may however have an issue when doing a search. Who knows what the HOA & Florida rely on as I am still amazed that property can be transferred into someone's name without prior knowledge or consent.

 

[AwayWeGo]

Locating Documents On Line.

BTW, when I use the term "index," I'm referring to whichever database one uses to locate documents in the record.

The only way of looking up Orange County FL deeds that I know how to do is searching by the names of the party or parties on the deeds -- i.e., grantor(s) & grantee(s) -- not by timeshare unit or by resort name, etc. (although I do know how to narrow down the date range of the records I'm looking for).

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[Talent312]

The only way of looking up Orange County FL deeds that I know how to do is searching by the names of the party or parties on the deeds -- i.e., grantor(s) & grantee(s) -- not by timeshare unit or by resort name, etc. (although I do know how to narrow down the date range of the records I'm looking for).

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

Many Florida counties offer a wide variety of online documents. With a name, you can also find your relatives' (or former relatives'), friends' and neighbors' mortgages, divorce decrees, traffic tickets, criminal convictions, adverse judgments, etc. The notion of "privacy," however quaint, is passe.

 

[Dave H]

They don't call us the sunshine state for nothing....... Florida your whole life is a public record available for anyone to look through !!!!

 

[dr.debs]

I have found Sarah and Darren to be real problem solvers. It's too bad that those below them don't seem to share the same philosophy or aren't empowered. Libel laws prevent me from sharing my opinion of Patel.

Well, it has been over two weeks since I tried to speak with Sarah or Darren. According to my closing agent the re-done deed was sent for recording 10 days ago, and no word yet. My 90 days are up as of this friday. I have filed a complaint with ebay and have attempted to get sarah or darren on the phone, but they won't let me leave a message or VM. I am going to try emailing. If 90 days pass, and no title, WTD? Should I ask for a refund of closing costs, and MF for 2008? or should I do a charge back now. I think the closing agent is legit, and probably the seller was legit too.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I have this information from a good source. Dharmesh Patel stole $150K from Darren Gibson. Patel was making over $500K annually from the timeshare business legitimately, but he stole an additional $150K (I guess that 500K just wasn't enough money for him).

A friend of mine forwarded an email with Dharmesh Patel's signed confession. It was a letter sent to various resellers who might consider hiring Dharmesh Patel.

 

[vacationhopeful]

IMHO, if they found $150K missing, most likely the sum is WAY HIGHER. Sometimes, criminal complaints are better than civil actions.

 

[Jim C]

You can't be serious

I have this information from a good source. Dharmesh Patel stole $150K from Darren Gibson. Patel was making over $500K annually from the timeshare business legitimately, but he stole an additional $150K (I guess that 500K just wasn't enough money for him).

A friend of mine forwarded an email with Dharmesh Patel's signed confession. It was a letter sent to various resellers who might consider hiring Dharmesh Patel.

Another reliable source; must be true right? Signed confessions via email, unquestionably valid. If it's true, fine. If not, watch out!!

 

[nazclk]

Patel

Why would anyone put a confession in an email to potential resellers.

I only bought 2 timeshares from him and they were both screwed up.

 

[Stefa]

Why would anyone put a confession in an email to potential resellers.

I don't think the guy making the confession sent the email. It was likely sent by his former bosses who were warning other potential victims to steer clear of him.

 

[Jim C]

I don't think the guy making the confession sent the email. It was likely sent by his former bosses who were warning other potential victims to steer clear of him.

I doubt his former bosses, if they exist, would be dumb enough to phony up a confession, forge the guy's signature and then e mail it to the aforementioned, "good source;" who eventually sent it to the posters' friend, who; well you get the point.

 

[pranas]

Patel and the folks at Timeshare Freedom are not the kind of people anyone would want to have any dealings with. Bought a week from him in December 2006 and the HOA just recently listed me as the owner. Timeshare Freedom send me three different deeds and they were all not accepted by the resort. Initially I could speak pleasantly to the gals at Timeshare Freedom. But after a year of waiting and more than a few phone calls I got screamed at when I said that I was going to report them to Georgia's Attorney Gerneral's Office. I didn't even raise my office to the women but a barrage of loud accusations that I was trying to ruin their reputaion, etc.I chalked up the whole experience as a total ripoff and decided to just watch to see if the deed was eventually transferred to someone else. This summer I was surprised when I got another recorded deed in the mail. Called the resort and there was still a problem but this time the resort was able to straighten it out. But to my chagrin, I now owe over $1000 in MF and penalties. I will never knowlingly deal with any of these people again.

My guess as to why this got straightened out when the previous owner started getting hounded for non payment of MFs. Only a guess