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Where are we going to post about Monkeypox?

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It's not suitable for the regular TUG but it's also not directly about COVID. But it's current events and it's pretty important to discuss I think.
 
First person to say "Ivermectin" in a serious discussion about monkeypox is going directly to Banned Camp without passing Go!
 
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It sounds like its really painful. I am not personally worried about this, as it does not seem to pass easily to others like colds, flu, covid etc. But I still hope they get this under control soon.
 
Not that many people are in the risk category.
 
If you were vaccinated for smallpox prior to 1972 you likely have some degree of immunity to monkeypox. Prior to 1972 smallpox vaccination was done routinely. Monkeypox is closely related to smallpox.
 
Not that many people are in the risk category.

Monkeypox has reached exponential spread and is spreading worldwide, uncontrolled. It is absolutely not limited to any particular group of people.
Monkeypox spreads via close personal contract, contract with contaminated linens or clothing, and in the air. It may last on uncleaned surfaces for years.
Monkeypox is most dangerous to children. AFAIK none of the vaccines are available to under age 18.
 
VegasBella, I think you might be over egging the pudding. From the UK NHS website:

Monkeypox in the UK

Although more people have been diagnosed with it recently, only a small number of people in the UK have had monkeypox and the risk remains low.

You're extremely unlikely to have monkeypox if:
  • you have not been in close contact (such as touching their skin or sharing towels, clothes or bedding) with someone who has monkeypox or has monkeypox symptoms
  • you have not recently travelled to west or central Africa
Anyone can get monkeypox. Though currently most cases have been in men who are gay, bisexual or have sex with other men, so it's particularly important to be aware of the symptoms if you're in these groups.
 
I've never heard that expression before: "over egging the pudding"

We certainly don't yet know how well it will spread in the "general population" but we do know that healthcare professionals have been and are currently refusing to test people outside that narrow group despite having symptoms of Monkeypox. And it's currently spreading at an exponential rate. So... it certainly does not look great.

There are now Monkeypox deaths in 'developed nations', at least one in a 30-something who had no underlying conditions.
 
over-egg the pudding

[mainly British]

to try so hard to improve something that you spoil it, for example by making it seem exaggerated or extreme

So what if campaigners over-egg the pudding?
Times, Sunday Times (2013)

But do try not to over-egg the pudding.
Times, Sunday Times (2006)

Inevitably, the question arises whether he is guilty of over-egging the pudding: are things really that bad?
The Times Literary Supplement (2015)

But even that was refreshing, coming from a conductor so often accused of over-egging the pudding.
Times, Sunday Times (2008)
 
If we keep in mind that on the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed, a notable "expert" told us on, Newsmax TV. "Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?" asked Greg Kelly, the host. The reply was, "Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about." So he did qualify his
response by saying, don't worry "right now."

A few days later that same "expert", gave an interview to John Catsimatidis, a syndicated radio host in New York. "What can you tell the American people about what’s been going on?" Catsimatidis asked. "Should they be scared?" "I don’t think so," he said. "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something we, as public health officials, need to take very seriously."


Point being, never say never. It seems some in the field of science are beginning to hedge their bets regarding this. Take a look. :ponder:


“The mistakes we saw during the COVID-19 pandemic are already being repeated,” said Dr. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji, an assistant professor of medicine at Emory University.

While rich countries have ordered millions of vaccines to stop monkeypox within their borders, none have announced plans to share doses with Africa, where a more lethal form of monkeypox is spreading than in the West.

Yet while monkeypox is much harder to spread than COVID-19, experts warn that if the disease spills over into general populations — currently in Europe and North America it is circulating almost exclusively among gay and bisexual men — the need for vaccines could intensify, especially if the virus becomes entrenched in new regions.

“Just asking countries to share is not going to be enough,” said Sharmila Shetty, a vaccines adviser for Medecins Sans Frontieres. “The longer monkeypox circulates, the greater chances it could get into new animal reservoirs or spread to" the human general population, she said. “If that happens, vaccine needs could change substantially.”

“I really didn’t think this would spread very far because monkeypox does not spread like COVID,” said Salim Abdool Karim, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa. “Africa should procure some vaccines in case we need them, but we should prioritize diagnostics and surveillance so we know who to target,” he said. “Normally, you’re able to get ahead of a disease like monkeypox, but I am concerned (the number of new cases) hasn’t started coming down yet.”

 
There's spread occurring in skin-to-skin contact situations:
-female massage therapists are getting it from clients
-a tattoo & piercing shop in Spain infected 12 people
-something like 15-20% of the current confirmed infections are in straight women
-large amounts of the virus has been found in major city waste water (there are worries that sewer rats may become a reservoir host)

I don't think we need to be paranoid, just knowledgeable. There is no such thing as "hygiene theater." Cleanliness matters, hygiene is important, wash your hands.
 
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Maybe they are doing a bit more than "massage". :oops:
Most massage therapists are female. I simply mentioned their gender to establish it was not M2M transmission.

Implying that sick people are sex workers because they're sick is not OK.
Ignore the science about Monkeypox transmission at your own peril. Just please, if you get sick, stay home.
 

the article says:

Scientists found that the virus mutated 50 times since the 2018-19 outbreak, and this mutation could help explain why the virus is spreading in parts of the world where it should be struggling more.
Dr Hugh Adler of the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine commented on the study of monkeypox undergoing an accelerated evolution.

He said: "We are seeing fascinating insights into the biology of monkeypox now that it has caused an outbreak in high income countries.
"But as ever, if the global community had applied these same scientific resources to monkeypox outbreaks in Africa, we might already have a stronger knowledge base."

Dr Adler went on to say that through the virus mutations there didn't appear to be a 'change in the severity of the clinical disease', so even if it's getting more transmissible that doesn't mean it's becoming more deadly to each person.

[...]the fatality rate for monkeypox is between three and six percent, while the disease gets transmitted from person to person through close contact with the lesions which appear after infection.

People can also catch monkeypox from an infected person's bodily fluids or from touching materials they've been in contact with such as bedsheets.
 
Monkey Pox is likely to be classified as a Sexually Transmitted Infection.


Professor Hasssad stated:

“While I can understand the politics and concerns about stigmatisation, we need to be more judicious and realistic, and act with scientific integrity, for the greater good.

“There is strong evidence that sexual contact is the primary mode of transmission for the current outbreak, which clearly implies that monkeypox is also a sexually transmitted infection; we cannot turn a blind eye to this.”

Unlike COVID Monkeypox is an infection that can be easily protected against particularly amongst those that fall into the "at risk" group.
 
Monkey Pox is likely to be classified as a Sexually Transmitted Infection.


Professor Hasssad stated:
“There is strong evidence that sexual contact is the primary mode of transmission for the current outbreak, which clearly implies that monkeypox is also a sexually transmitted infection; we cannot turn a blind eye to this.”
The reason LGBTQ are getting higher rates of infection is because doctors found they are having sex with many partners, not just a single person. It's during "relations" that an infected person hands the disease to another. That person then has relations with a different person, passing on the disease. "Straight" people are more likely to stick with one partner for a while, so their chances of transmitting are low. Yeah, there are straight men or women who go from partner to partner, they also keep the virus moving.

STDs like Gonorrhea and Syphillis, as well as AIDS, are transmitted by sexual contact, Monkeypox is transmitted by skin-to-skin or bedsheets/towels. Essentially, Monkeypox is not an STD.

TS
 
The idea behind classifying Monkeypox as an STI is to encourage a focus on the groups at high risk and help to spread awareness and to target and encourage vaccination and education. Simply by referring to it as a skin to skin infection risks minimising the infection and a failure to focus on those who require the most intervention.
 
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