What's going on with Tiger and [Elin]?

[DebBrown]

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[laurac260]

Not even close!! At the risk of tapping around the "no politics" rules, suffice to say Hillary had much to gain in sucking it up and sticking around with Slick Willie.

Elin on the other hand, doesn't need the headache or heartache. Further, Tiger has sold himself, his brand, on being a great guy. Now it turns out he's been with more than a dozen women apparently throughout his entire relationship and marriage.

Slick Willie can only envy Tiger's scorecard on and off the golf course.

so then, if you can "use the user" for your own gain, the infidelities are somehow "different"?

A cheater is a cheater. I see no difference in the two.

 

[geekette]

so then, if you can "use the user" for your own gain, the infidelities are somehow "different"?

A cheater is a cheater. I see no difference in the two.

The post was about the women's actions. These situations are very different in many aspects, and the women affected are behaving differently.

I do not take the posting to mean anyone is tacitly condoning anything. But I don't think it is too hard to see why either woman did what she did. I don't understand how you cannot see that the situations are worlds apart? If you wish to focus on the infidelity, you won't see the other dynamics in these relationships.

 

[SueDonJ]

Having never been in their situation, I can't fault anyone who's been cheated on for either staying with or leaving the person who treated them badly. There can be as many reasons to leave or stay as there are reasons to marry in the first place, or stray at some point throughout the marriage.

I think that I'd be hurt enough to ask Don to leave if he ever cheats on me. But then again, we both have a lot of years and heart invested in this relationship and if one of us does cheat, it might make more sense at that time for us to make a minimal investment in time and heart to at least try to figure out what's gone wrong. But is it only the time invested that makes me think the reasons are important? I don't know. Even as a newlywed I remember thinking that the commitment for better or worse was important.

Elin's situation with Tiger is so extreme - not just in the cheating he's done but also in their everyday lifestyle. I can't imagine her life, so I can't imagine trying to say definitively what she should do now. Coincidentally, the same holds true for Bill and Hillary and every other public couple that has to deal with their failings in front of the camera.

The one absolute I know is that if I were the "victim" in a cheating scenario that played itself out in public, I would not stand by my spouse during his public apology. Those moments must be doubly agonizing, and those spouses owe no debt of commitment that includes public humiliation.

 

[laurac260]

The post was about the women's actions. These situations are very different in many aspects, and the women affected are behaving differently.

I do not take the posting to mean anyone is tacitly condoning anything. But I don't think it is too hard to see why either woman did what she did. I don't understand how you cannot see that the situations are worlds apart? If you wish to focus on the infidelity, you won't see the other dynamics in these relationships.

I'm just not sure I could look myself in the mirror every day if I stayed with my cheating husband because it benefited me career wise. I think she would have gained even more respect by standing up, not standing by. But that's just me.

 

[jwq387]

tiger

I'm no follower of golf, but I think it's safe to say this is the first time Tiger has played 11 over par!

Well, it is not safe to say that. Tiger shot an 11 over 82 at the British open a couple years ago to miss the cut.

 

[geoand]

I'm just not sure I could look myself in the mirror every day if I stayed with my cheating husband because it benefited me career wise. I think she would have gained even more respect by standing up, not standing by. But that's just me.

You are assuming that she made her decision based on gaining respect from members of the public. I don't think anyone can make a statement as to what they would do in a similar situation without first having experienced that similar situation. All of us can say that if such and such happened to me, this is how I would handle it. In reality, we really don't know how we would handle it. We only know how we think we would handle it.

However Tiger's wife will handle this situation will be her decision and she will make the one that is best for her and the children.

 

[Passepartout]

While personally, I choose to be a monogamist and hope my wife feels the same, but different people have different sexual needs and values. Who are we to judge Tiger, Elin, Bill, Hillary or anyone else's needs? Many couples have different needs. That they differ from our more's speaks to our differences. What was done was presumably done in some privacy and had been going on for an unknown time period. We don't know what may have been written on a pre-nuptial agreement for either party. It's pretty sure that any damage done was emotional rather than physical, as sexual activity regardless of the frequency or number of partners (excepting possible disease transmission- which can/should be monitored) is generally harmless.

I don't knowingly buy any of the products Tiger promotes, not that I wouldn't, but since I don't follow golf, I'm just not aware of what these products are.

One of these days, the press will get tired of following the antics of the principals principles. Life will go on.

Jim Ricks

 

[Liz Wolf-Spada]

Radio today reports she has consulted a well known LA divorce lawyer. I think she can do so much better for herself and her children and I'm sure she will.
Liz

 

[laurac260]

While personally, I choose to be a monogamist and hope my wife feels the same, but different people have different sexual needs and values. Who are we to judge Tiger, Elin, Bill, Hillary or anyone else's needs? Many couples have different needs. That they differ from our more's speaks to our differences. What was done was presumably done in some privacy and had been going on for an unknown time period. We don't know what may have been written on a pre-nuptial agreement for either party. It's pretty sure that any damage done was emotional rather than physical, as sexual activity regardless of the frequency or number of partners (excepting possible disease transmission- which can/should be monitored) is generally harmless.

I don't knowingly buy any of the products Tiger promotes, not that I wouldn't, but since I don't follow golf, I'm just not aware of what these products are.

One of these days, the press will get tired of following the antics of the principals principles. Life will go on.

Jim Ricks

wow. Imagine how society would be if we DIDN'T judge people's "sexual needs and values". If everyone were like you Jim, we wouldn't have say, pedophiles. We wouldn't have a human trafficing problem. We wouldn't have an organization like NAMBLA. Unfortunately, we have LOTS of reasons to judge people's "sexual needs and values."

 

[Passepartout]

wow. Imagine how society would be if we DIDN'T judge people's "sexual needs and values". If everyone were like you Jim, we wouldn't have say, pedophiles. We wouldn't have a human trafficking problem. We wouldn't have an organization like NAMBLA. Unfortunately, we have LOTS of reasons to judge people's "sexual needs and values."

Laura, pedophilia and human trafficking are illegal, and rightfully so. No account I've read has said that Tiger's or anyone else I refered to's activities were anything other than acts between consenting adults. What I said and continue to maintain is that any damage done is/was emotional rather than physical.

If any spouse of a philanderer wants to use sexual unfaithfulness as basis to bail out that's their preference. I like to hold up the rationale I read in an Ann Landers column many years ago: Before you decide what to do, ask yourself, "Am I better off with 'em, or without 'em". Hopefully Erin has asked herself and come up with the answer that's right for her.

Jim Ricks

 

[geekette]

wow. Imagine how society would be if we DIDN'T judge people's "sexual needs and values". If everyone were like you Jim, we wouldn't have say, pedophiles. We wouldn't have a human trafficing problem. We wouldn't have an organization like NAMBLA. Unfortunately, we have LOTS of reasons to judge people's "sexual needs and values."

I don't have the right to judge anyone. We do have judges in the USA to ascertain whether or not something is criminal. Most sexual activity is NOT criminal.

I think you are really going to extremes here. A person with an overactive sex drive does not make them a pedophile or participant in the sex trades. Nor does Hillary's standing by Bill necessarily mean it was about her career. Sometimes, a husband and wife love each other regardless of their flaws.

I get that you feel very strongly about this, but you are applying a very heavy dose of spin to morph these things into different things.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

The purpose of this thread is not to discuss mores and attitudes about sex and sexual behavior in contemporary culture. Please let's return to our normal programming on this thread

 

[Talent312]

Please let's return to our normal programming on this thread

Okay.
Next Question:
How are Tiger Woods and Santa Claus different?
...
Answer:
Santa only has 3 "Ho's"

 

[Stricky]

Tiger's father was divorced in 1968 (after having 3 children) and remarried in 1969.

Elin's mother has been married twice.

If they don't have good life examples of how to make a marriage work... well we see the result.

 

[laurac260]

Tiger's father was divorced in 1968 (after having 3 children) and remarried in 1969.

Elin's mother has been married twice.

If they don't have good life examples of how to make a marriage work... well we see the result.

Perhaps that is why I have such a strong opinion about how one SHOULD behave in a marriage. My parents divorced when I was 9, dad remarried, cheated (mom was already #2), later divorced, mom remarried, also cheated (with #2's best friend), then married him. Us kids got to "go along for the ride" thru the whole mess, back and forth from one messed up house to another one. A whole lot of years of dysfunction for us kids growing up because our parents put their own selfish interests before the best interests of their kids.

Regarding my previous posts, I don't mean to be antagonistic. But I have lived thru selfish, self-absorbed, destructive behavior, alcoholism, abuse, divorce, adultery, child custody fights, you name it. If anything it has taught me how NOT to behave in a marriage. And it has given me some very strong opinions on the subject. Again, not to be antagonistic, or sound "holier than thou." But it was not a fun way to grow up, and all because our parents acted before they thought of the consequences of their actions.

As far as Ellin goes, she should leave Tiger. She has her whole life ahead of her, and her and her kids deserve better.

 

[DeniseM]

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Avoid posting about politics, religion, or contentious social issues
Unless directly related to timesharing, such discussions are prohibited in these forums, including TUG Lounge. We've been down that road before, it was ugly, and we are not going there again.

Please - let's get back to gossiping about Tiger - which is permitted on TUG!

 

[Stricky]

Folks, please remember this TUG rule:



Please - let's get back to gossiping about Tiger - which is permitted on TUG!

He is not worth it. This thread should die .

 

[ricoba]

Report today in the LA Times is that she filed for divorce.

 

[SueDonJ]

WEEI Sportstalk Radio started mentioning in the last hour that there are now rumors of Tiger using performance enhancing drugs. No evidence yet, just rumors. If true, THAT will make me more disgusted with him than anything he might have done in his personal life.

Ugh, this whole Tiger peepshow is never going to go away. He'll be 90 years old and we'll be hearing about his forged Viagra prescriptions or illegitimate grandchildren crawling out of the woodwork.

 

[Jaybee]

My mind must be getting rusty...? I didn't read about it, but was told by a friend a couple of days ago that a Dr. had been arrested for injecting Tiger with performance enhancing drugs. My first thought was..."Steroids? He's been cheating EVERYbody!" When I mentioned it to another friend, her reaction was, "Why would a 35 yr. old have to do that?" I couldn't figure out what she meant. Aha! THAT kind of performance! I still think it would be steroids. Why would a doctor be arrested for providing something like Viagra?
(Or is this whole thing REALLY getting out of hand?)

 

[mav]

Folks, please remember this TUG rule:



Please - let's get back to gossiping about Tiger - which is permitted on TUG!

Can it get any more disgusting?
one of his "dates", porn star Holly Sampson, to star in a new movie about her evening with Tiger :
http://www.hollyscoop.com/tiger-woods/porn-star-to-spoof-one-night-stand-with-tiger_22459.aspx

 

[Chrisky]

WEEI Sportstalk Radio started mentioning in the last hour that there are now rumors of Tiger using performance enhancing drugs. No evidence yet, just rumors. If true, THAT will make me more disgusted with him than anything he might have done in his personal life.

I think that rumour is based on news reports here in the Toronto, Canada area that a Canadian sports medicine Dr. has been charged by the RCMP with selling an unapproved drug, conspiracy to import/export said drug & smuggling. It's a drug that's made from calf's blood, and supposedly one of his patients was Tiger Woods. This drug is apparently approved in Europe.
From what I understand Drs. do use platelet rich plasma therapy (it speeds up the healing process) This therapy uses the patient's own plasma.
So who knows, the rumours just keep on coming! Personally, I think he's just plain disgusting.

 

[Talent312]

... that rumour is based on news reports here in the Toronto, Canada area that a Canadian sports medicine Dr. has been charged by the RCMP with selling an unapproved drug, conspiracy to import/export said drug & smuggling... supposedly one of his patients was Tiger Woods.

I fail to see how a PED can help a golfer... I mean, they may help with distance, but not with the focus+control required for the short-game, do they?

OTOH, the guy's a jock, and to stereotype, IME, they usually pretty much a-holes who are full of themselves, and think that becuz they're "special," they can get away with anything.

 

[Twinkstarr]

Okay.
Next Question:
How are Tiger Woods and Santa Claus different?
...
Answer:
Santa only has 3 "Ho's"

:hysterical: I'll have to remember that one.