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What's Going On with Costco's Rotisserie Chickens?

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I hear quite awhile ago that the rotisserie chickens at Costco are much fresher than the ones you get at a grocery store because of the volume they deal with and how quickly they sell.
 

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I hear quite awhile ago that the rotisserie chickens at Costco are much fresher than the ones you get at a grocery store because of the volume they deal with and how quickly they sell.


Actually, I think this statement holds true for just about any product they sell there.... The volumes are huge and the turnover is fast.

As an aside, someone told me the other day that the busiest Costco Store in the USA is in Naples, Florida. Does anyone know if this actually true?




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Actually, I think this statement holds true for just about any product they sell there.... The volumes are huge and the turnover is fast.

As an aside, someone told me the other day that the busiest Costco Store in the USA is in Naples, Florida. Does anyone know if this actually true?




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Just found this:

The Iwelei Costco on Oahu Island in Hawaii is the busiest in the world.
 

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All poultry products need to be cooked to a minimum of 165 degrees to be safe for eating.
You can bet'cher bippy that Costco temp checks them to be sure they make that number. They won't risk sickening their members.
 

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You can bet'cher bippy that Costco temp checks them to be sure they make that number. They won't risk sickening their members.
I totally agree. I was responding to a post above that chicken was sous vide to 143 degrees, but then finished off with a sear.
 

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I totally agree. I was responding to a post above that chicken was sous vide to 143 degrees, but then finished off with a sear.

You can absolutely sous vide chicken to a lower temperature than 165f. And you can do so in such a way that you won't make anyone sick. Anyone doing so should ideally know how to file a HAACP plan (to CYA), and know an awful lot about low-temperature pasteurization. Particularly what a log 5 reduction in microbes means, and how to achieve it.

Screwing around at 145f can ruin someone's weekend.

I cook turkey breast this way. But I've been doing this so long that I can calculate the time/weight tables in my head.

Health inspectors visiting a restaurant will demand 165f is the magic number. They don't want to hear about any new cooking techniques. And they utterly hate sous vide because they can't do a pass/fail with a thermometer.
 

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I totally agree. I was responding to a post above that chicken was sous vide to 143 degrees, but then finished off with a sear.

That would be me. With sous vide chicken breast I go by color. If it looks pink it isn't done. If there is alot of liquid in the sous vide bag I consider it over cooked. I'm not a chef that can make up a recipe. I get my ideas from reading recipes and watching videos then it's all trial and error. So far, we haven't had a problem with anyone getting sick,lol. Maybe I should buy some Pepto Bismo just in case.

Interesting is that I asked chatgtp how to sous vide chicken breast and it came up with cooking at 145 degrees.

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Sous vide cooking is a method of cooking food in a temperature-controlled water bath, which results in perfectly cooked, tender and juicy meat. Here is a simple recipe for cooking sous vide chicken breast:

Ingredients:

  • 2 boneless, skinless chicken breasts
  • Salt and pepper, to taste
  • 1-2 sprigs of fresh thyme (optional)
  • 1-2 cloves of garlic, peeled and lightly crushed (optional)
  • 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil
Instructions:

  1. Preheat your sous vide machine to 145°F (63°C).
  2. Season the chicken breasts with salt and pepper, to taste.
  3. Place the seasoned chicken breasts in a vacuum-sealed bag with the fresh thyme and garlic (if using). Add a drizzle of olive oil to the bag.
  4. Seal the bag using a vacuum sealer, making sure all the air is removed from the bag.
  5. Place the bag in the preheated water bath and cook for 1-2 hours.
  6. Once the chicken breasts are done cooking, remove them from the bag and pat them dry with paper towels.
  7. Heat a skillet over medium-high heat and add a little bit of olive oil. Sear the chicken breasts for 1-2 minutes on each side, or until they develop a golden brown crust.
  8. Serve immediately, with your favorite sides.
 
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I sous vide steaks frequently. For my friends who love medium rare, I do it at 130 degrees for 3.5 hours, as I believe pasteurization occurs at about 2 hours at that temperature. I refuse to do anything lower than that.
 

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I sous vide steaks frequently. For my friends who love medium rare, I do it at 130 degrees for 3.5 hours, as I believe pasteurization occurs at about 2 hours at that temperature. I refuse to do anything lower than that.

Depends on the weight of the steak. And it's better to have four steaks in four packages than four in one. (Thermal mass.) Steaks aren't nearly as likely to have issues. That's why health departments don't freak out about rare ribeyes.

Chicken very often comes pre-infected -- hence 165f. Turkey is safer. Duck is much, much safer. So not all poultry is dangerous. There are no hard-and-fast rules, other than work safe, clean, and do your homework.
 

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Depends on the weight of the steak. And it's better to have four steaks in four packages than four in one. (Thermal mass.) Steaks aren't nearly as likely to have issues. That's why health departments don't freak out about rare ribeyes.

Chicken very often comes pre-infected -- hence 165f. Turkey is safer. Duck is much, much safer. So not all poultry is dangerous. There are no hard-and-fast rules, other than work safe, clean, and do your homework.
We individually vacuum seal each steak. We have yet to sous vide chicken. Sous vide leg of lamb and lamb chops were fun to prepare too.
 

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We individually vacuum seal each steak. We have yet to sous vide chicken. Sous vide leg of lamb and lamb chops were fun to prepare too.

Sous vide is hands-down the most important culinary invention in my lifetime. Nothing, but nothing will elevate a person's daily meals like having a vacuum sealer, an immersion circulator and knowing how to use them.

I'll never understand the pushback against sous vide. That's like being against washing machines. "My mother beat clothes on a rock by the stream. My grandmother beat clothes on a rock by the stream. And her great grandmother beat clothes on a rock by the stream! I don't care if this new-fangled gizmo does a week's worth of work in 30 minutes. I'm beating my clothes on a rock. All day. Every day. Like god intended!"
 

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Sous vide is hands-down the most important culinary invention in my lifetime. Nothing, but nothing will elevate a person's daily meals like having a vacuum sealer, an immersion circulator and knowing how to use them.

I'll never understand the pushback against sous vide. That's like being against washing machines. "My mother beat clothes on a rock by the stream. My grandmother beat clothes on a rock by the stream. And her great grandmother beat clothes on a rock by the stream! I don't care if this new-fangled gizmo does a week's worth of work in 30 minutes. I'm beating my clothes on a rock. All day. Every day. Like god intended!"
I wasn't sold on sous vide until I watched alot of youtube videos. Then I bought 2 at the same time, because we like medium to medium well while many of our guests like medium rare. I also bought 3 sous vide containers, one 16l and two 12l. We have the Foodsaver vacuum sealer from along time ago and then our sous vide life is complete. I was into smoking ribs and steaks but now I prefer to sous vide my steaks. I will continue to smoke ribs because nothing beats the taste of smoked baby back.
 

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I wasn't sold on sous vide until I watched alot of youtube videos. Then I bought 2 at the same time, because we like medium to medium well while many of our guests like medium rare. I also bought 3 sous vide containers, one 16l and two 12l. We have the Foodsaver vacuum sealer from along time ago and then our sous vide life is complete. I was into smoking ribs and steaks but now I prefer to sous vide my steaks. I will continue to smoke ribs because nothing beats the taste of smoked baby back.

Sous vide isn't going to take the place of every cooking method. Saute is still necessary. Stir fry is still necessary. Baking is still necessary. A grill is still indispensible. But what sous vide does, it does better than any other method.

No, I wouldn't do barbecue in a bag, either. I have a smoker for that. But 90% of holiday feasts are done sous-vide. Drop my dishes into three different temperature baths in the morning. And then watch football and have fun with friends and family until just before mealtime. It's a total game changer knowing you cannot overcook food -- and you can leave it cooking all day without risk of burning, scorching, or drying out -- let alone overcooking.

My typical meal is "toss a bag in a bath in the morning, work on the farm all day, remove contents from bag and give them a flash, enjoy a meal that is every bit as good as a Michelin starred restaurant."

Absolutely you can cook a whole chicken in a bag, and then finish it off under a broiler to crisp up the skin. Done right, it will be the best chicken anyone has ever tasted.
 

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Sous vide isn't going to take the place of every cooking method. Saute is still necessary. Stir fry is still necessary. Baking is still necessary. A grill is still indispensible. But what sous vide does, it does better than any other method.

No, I wouldn't do barbecue in a bag, either. I have a smoker for that. But 90% of holiday feasts are done sous-vide. Drop my dishes into three different temperature baths in the morning. And then watch football and have fun with friends and family until just before mealtime. It's a total game changer knowing you cannot overcook food -- and you can leave it cooking all day without risk of burning, scorching, or drying out -- let alone overcooking.

My typical meal is "toss a bag in a bath in the morning, work on the farm all day, remove contents from bag and give them a flash, enjoy a meal that is every bit as good as a Michelin starred restaurant."

Absolutely you can cook a whole chicken in a bag, and then finish it off under a broiler to crisp up the skin. Done right, it will be the best chicken anyone has ever tasted.
I get this. But in your world, when do you do the preparation of the meals you put in the vacuum bags? It that when you bring in the groceries from the store/supplier? Then how do you keep it all organized in the freezer or fridge or wherever you stash several days' (or weeks) menu plans.

I portion out meals and put 'em in the fridge, but they have a way of getting lost in the freezer. I'll get a hankering for something I know is in there, but what I want is invariably buried under the bags of Costco fruit, or the wife's baking nuts, or boxes of butter. Do you label them in the vacuum bags or what? Obviously you put the sauces/seasonings in the bag with the protein. But doesn't this take significant time unless you build up some kind of assembly line.

I'm just trying to visualize how sous vide can fit into my life without simply adding to my already tight food and kitchen gadget storage.

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I get this. But in your world, when do you do the preparation of the meals you put in the vacuum bags? It that when you bring in the groceries from the store/supplier? Then how do you keep it all organized in the freezer or fridge or wherever you stash several days' (or weeks) menu plans.

I portion out meals and put 'em in the fridge, but they have a way of getting lost in the freezer. I'll get a hankering for something I know is in there, but what I want is invariably buried under the bags of Costco fruit, or the wife's baking nuts, or boxes of butter. Do you label them in the vacuum bags or what? Obviously you put the sauces/seasonings in the bag with the protein. But doesn't this take significant time unless you build up some kind of assembly line.

I'm just trying to visualize how sous vide can fit into my life without simply adding to my already tight food and kitchen gadget storage.

Jim
As a non-chef but a passionate cook, I can tell you how we do it. We buy trays of prime grade beef from Costco. I then season each steak and vacuum seal each right away. If I am not cooking all of them right away or over the next couple of days, I put them into the freezer. When I sous vide steaks, I often sous vide more than the number of people that I am serving. So if I have 2 guests, instead of sous viding 4 steaks, I often sous vide 6, and then use the 2 later - either back into the freezer or down in my meat drawer to be consumed the following day. I make my own clarified butter and use clarified butter to quick sear the steaks after I pat them dry when they come out of the packets.
 
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How did how to cook beef get into a discussion on Costco rotisserie chickens? Oh wait, this is TUG. :whooopie:
 

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I get this. But in your world, when do you do the preparation of the meals you put in the vacuum bags? It that when you bring in the groceries from the store/supplier? Then how do you keep it all organized in the freezer or fridge or wherever you stash several days' (or weeks) menu plans.

I portion out meals and put 'em in the fridge, but they have a way of getting lost in the freezer. I'll get a hankering for something I know is in there, but what I want is invariably buried under the bags of Costco fruit, or the wife's baking nuts, or boxes of butter. Do you label them in the vacuum bags or what? Obviously you put the sauces/seasonings in the bag with the protein. But doesn't this take significant time unless you build up some kind of assembly line.

Let's take chicken quarters, mashed potatoes and a side vegetable. The most basic of basic meals. Here's what I do:

1) Inject chicken with a marinade and seal immediately. That chicken is fully marinated in less than an hour, thanks to the vacuum pressure. Either leave in the fridge or toss in the freezer for later -- labeled and dated with a sharpie. Because I don't put ANYTHING in a bag that isn't labeled and dated with a sharpie. (Stickers aren't as good -- they fall off.)
2) Peel, boil, rice, cool and bag potatoes with frozen butter pats, seasoning, and a big glob of frozen cream I save from my wife's raw milk. We always have a pound of cream globs on hand from my wife's milk. (I don't drink American milk. Tastes like chalk. Even my wife's milk pales in comparison to what I got in Germany.) Now the potatoes are 100% done, too. I *always* have mashed potatoes on hand. When I run low, I buy a bag of russets at Costco.
3) Dice, season, and bag veg with a pat of frozen butter. Now that's done, too.

"Cooking" consists of boiling a pot of water. Adding that to my sous-vide bath with tap water, about 30 degrees higher than my target temperature to account for the cold bags. And then tossing the bags in. Done. Leave. Work. Watch TV. Run errands. Doesn't matter. Open bags and flash sautee/broil as necessary to finish. I can start this while I'm making morning coffee and finish up after work.

Half the food at chain restaurants are made in central commisaries, and kept frozen until needed. And then it's sous vide, and nobody knows the difference. This is food that is assembled, not cooked. It's a step up from National Lampoon's Vacation -- there the "grilled cod with a light vegetable medley and rice pilaf" was just a TV dinner, nicely plated.

Sous-vide allows good restaurants to elevate their game, and gives cheap restaurants a means to lower theirs. There is very little actual cooking going on at a Darden restaurant.

In addition the potatoes and bags of veg and marinated meat, I always have avocado pulp in the freezer. Guacamole doesn't freeze well. But just avocado pulp DOES. Now I don't have to worry about the feast-or-famine nature of avocado harvest at the farm.

Tomatoes, I puree, cook down, and can (well, Mason jar).

Onions, I caramelize and bag. Now I have French onion soup whenever I accumulate enough bones.

Life in Hawaii isn't particularly expensive. This is why.
 
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