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What if the parents don't like the kid's fiance?

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A long time friend's never-married 29 year old daughter phoned home yesterday to say she's engaged. My friend is very upset over it, feeling that she's taking on way too much baggage. The fiance is a high school drop out that's now a construction worker and just got a divorce but has 3 kids all under 6 years old. I told him he'd be talking to deaf ears to say anything negative about it, but he's definite about not forking out a dime for a wedding (she hasn't asked, yet) or pretending to support her decision. I cautioned him to be careful or him might lose his daughter over it.

Any advice I can pass on to him?

Brian
 
As the kid who married someone my folks didn't want me to (and just celebrated 14 years of marriage this past week), my family caused me and my hubby a lot of stress because they were way too narrow-minded and decided dh's bio was ALL HE WAS, not bothering to know him or try to see what I saw in him or who I was when I was with him. I can't tell you how much sadness they caused me, not trusting me, being cold to my choice of mate, etc. He's made me a better person and has helped me sort thru my baggage as must as I've helped him with his.

Dad should congratulate his daughter, and casually inquire whether a date is set. He should also make an effort to know the young man. Just because it sounds bad doesn't mean he's a bad guy. For all we know, he married his high school sweetheart, had kids too young and works his butt off to climb the ladder and provide for his kids, while being an exceptional father with money in the bank and big dreams.

It is risky to judge a person based on their level of education and current job as it is NOT an indication of character nor earning potential nor career ambitions.

I gained a stepdaughter in my marriage and that has worked out just fine. She wasn't a tot, tho, so dear daughter should give careful thought to how that's going to work. Some of this is NOT mom and dad's business, but ask the questions so daughter thinks it all through carefully. DO NOT JUDGE. The family should be supportive to whatever extent they can manage. A little skepticism is ok, "You're throwing your life away" is NOT.

She does NOT want to be Rebound Wife, but let her friends cast those doubts. Hopefully she'll have a long engagement and everything will be wonderful. But, if this is a soap opera she's going to be starring in, it's her soap to take on.
 
I told my sister on my dd's wedding day that it would never last. Now a week or so after their fifth anniversary, they are getting a divorce.

What could I have said to my dd that would have made a bit of difference?

I just told dd #2 if she ever decides to marry her divorced boyfriend with 2 kids, or anyone else, to get a prenup so she can keep her house.
 
Well, jmho, 29 is a bit old to be asking parents to pay for a wedding, or for people to give gifts just for people to have matching stuff....

Also, I agree that judging by job/bio is wrong, and btw, being in construction is nothing to sneeze at--have you (general you here) priced how much it costs to get stuff done these days? :eek:

But, my concerns would be:

1. What are the custody arrangements? Child support obligations? In some places, they will take the stepparent's working income into account when determining amount of support. A prenup might be a good idea. Separate credit and bank accounts as well. INSIST on seeing the actual divorce decree. She does not want to be surprised later on down the road. If there is a car in Ex's name and he's responsible for insurance 'til it's paid off, he needs to pay it off BEFORE she marries him, so that if Ex gets in an accident, HIS and her insurance rating doesn't get messed up.

2. If kids are with Mom now, has she met her? Can she get along with her for the sake of the children? Or is Mom going to insist on doing everything through Dad and undercut her authority, or be a general pain in other ways?

3. Does she realize and is she prepared to take on full-time parenting if by some chance Mom flakes out and dumps the kids on Dad or Dad wins custody? Is she prepared to perhaps give up a job to be a SAHM for a while?
 
Tell him to keep his mouth shut. If he would pay for the wedding if she was marrying someone he "approved" of, then he should pay for this one. Otherwise he is showing his disapproval with his checkbook. It's her life. She's not going to listen to anything bad he says about her fiance and it may drive her away. I have never said anything about the people my kids dated even though at times it was very hard not to. My DD married a good guy but she sure dated some real losers. My son is engaged to a girl I have only met once and my DD hates her. My oldest son is dating a women who had a baby at 17, has her tongue and eyebrow pierced and a tatoo around her upper arm. Her 2 sisters have 13 kids between them and I'm not sure from how many fathers. However, I like her very much. If I had judged her by how she looks and her family background, I would have been very wrong.
 
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Tell him to be happy his daughter is happy, healthy, and able to live independently and make her own decisions in life. Things could be much worse.

Sharon
 
What a tough subject and so many intersting and correct answers - from all. First time I have seen this in the Lounge and I wish everyone involved well.

IMHO? She´s 29 - accept her decision - counsel her, do not scold or disapprove - make your concerns known, but in a supportive way - and if the checkbook is a problem, say that you would prefer to pay towards the education of any kids that come along, rather than a marriage (suggestion).

Hope it all turns out well.... the world certainly moves on at a faster pace than we do!
 
debraxh said:
I agree with Pat & Sharon.

And 29 too old? Wow :eek:

I mean that if you've been living on your own for a while, you shouldn't be expecting your folks to be paying for anything--you should be able to pay for your own wedding, whether your folks like your intended or not. (In all fairness, I think expensive weddings are a total waste of money anyway, regardless of who pays).

I happened to be reading one of the Judge Judy books the other day (she strongly believes that prenups should be mandatory for all), and she says that if the parents of either party give a substantial money gift (like a down payment for a house) to draw up a contract stating that the money goes back to the parents in case of a divorce, so that it does not become part of the marital assets. The parents can always change their mind later on.

And, it wouldn't be the first time parents pass over the kids in favor of grandkids, or set up a trust that can't be gotten around by the spouse...so maybe some estate planning (or plan changing) needs to be done. This is just as important for the guy in this relationship to protect what his children are entitled to, if his parents have money.

Oh yes, make sure any financial stuff in the divorce is taken care of (close joint credit cards and pay them off, sell any property so the loans are satisfied--don't rely on quit claims and "promises" to refinance by the ex, if one party defaults, the other is still held responsible, as creditors don't recognize divorce decrees) and have written proof of this before the wedding.
 
I think he's trying to control his daughter and you are exactly right - he'll likely lose her over this not to mention cause very long-term pain within the entire family that may never heal.

Until she asks for his support it's a non-issue but cranking up the negativity well in advance kind of ensures that if she does ask for some financial assistance for the wedding he'll grossly overreact - he's been thinking about it much longer than she has, if you get my meaning.

Being obvious about his lack of support for him is deadly and judging someone based on their marital status and education is just plain wrong. It sounds to me like your friend's expectations for his dd haven't been met and he's going to take it out on couple - life is way too short for this type of thing.

pwrshift said:
A long time friend's never-married 29 year old daughter phoned home yesterday to say she's engaged. My friend is very upset over it, feeling that she's taking on way too much baggage. The fiance is a high school drop out that's now a construction worker and just got a divorce but has 3 kids all under 6 years old. I told him he'd be talking to deaf ears to say anything negative about it, but he's definite about not forking out a dime for a wedding (she hasn't asked, yet) or pretending to support her decision. I cautioned him to be careful or him might lose his daughter over it.

Any advice I can pass on to him?

Brian
 
I am in construction and make more than anyone else in my family and my wife. They all have college degrees.

If being in contraction makes you a bad person, I guess I'll be in hell one day.

Seems to me your "friend" is very close minded.
 
they should live together first and give it a try. maybe that will take the bloom off the rose. anyway, no matter what they say she will do what she wasnts so just keep the lines of communication and love open!!
 
It would be quite inappropriate for the parents of this daughter to INSIST on seeing her fiance's divorce decree. They have no right to demand such private information.

Gad has plenty of other good questions for the daughter, but I can't imagine leaving her career to take care of the stepkids. BUT, something could happen to the mother, and, well, you never know. Good thought-provokers for DD. These are certainly the kinds of things my father would have asked me to consider.

However, I am completely against telling your daughters that they better get married before they're 29 or you won't help pay for their weddings. Not everyone finds their way in life early on and can sock away THOUSANDS while paying for college debt. Many people never have a high-paying career at all.

I think at any age, parents should contribute something (doesn't have to be money) to the first wedding. Just let it be known what or how much or have a rule: won't help once parents retire, match funds couple puts up for it, pay for the reception food only or whatever. $500 to $50,000, whatever it is. Brides-to-be should be mindful of costs and plan within their budget.

I had an extremely modest wedding at 26 (well under $5k) and while we paid for most of it or creatively bartered, mom still complained. What bugs me most is that it still bugs me that she behaved so horribly to both of us.

Dad should tread carefully. If he can't quite be enthusiastic, tell him to show only concern that she considers all of the ramifications. Hopefully, he can then be satisfied that she is "really sure" and give her his full support without having to actually endorse the marriage (do not put down the guy, question, instead, their "readiness to marry").
 
geekette said:
Just let it be known what or how much or have a rule: won't help once parents retire, match funds couple puts up for it, pay for the reception food only or whatever. $500 to $50,000, whatever it is. Brides-to-be should be mindful of costs and plan within their budget.

(do not put down the guy, question, instead, their "readiness to marry").

I don't personally like the "wont help after parents retire" rule as it may rush your child into a marrage they would spend some more time considering. It also contradicts your closing statement. I believe what ever rule you have should be clearly laid out, and not change due to what is a "bad partner" clause.

My wife and I paid for our own wedding at the age of 29. We didn't ask for anything from our parents because we didn't need their help. We didn't want to burden them in any way, as they were retired or close to it. So we married after we saved enough to do so.

One of my strongest beliefs in life is that you appreciate something more when you work hard for that something. By the age of 29, they should be able to assume some of the responsibility of their own wedding, if not all of it. If they cant, maybe they should plan a more modest wedding.
 
My daughter is engaged at 28, will be 29 when the wedding occurs. I am so happy she is marrying this one, and not all the others that she came so close to marrying. she is barely getting by, working and going to grad school. If she wasn't with this guy, she woudnt be making the sacrifice to go to grad school and maybe finally going to get a career instead of a low paying job. why shouldn't I pay for her wedding! Her brother married last year, he put his fiance thru grad school, still in debt, huge wedding paid for by her parents, but she still can't find a job. She is 27.

I personally hate these judegements of others. My mother in law didn't like me much, after all I was of Italian heritage and her ancestors came over on the Mayflower. And the first year we were married, I had the nerve to make more than her son!
 
My in-laws went to see their minister to find out what to do when their 32 year old son wanted to marry a 38 year old divorced woman with no kids (me). Their minister asked if we, the couple, loved each other. When they said yes, he asked why they were there. And he told them it was none of their business. We decided to ask that man to marry us.
 
I didn't mean to cast a shadow on someone in 'construction' or any job type, but should have mentioned, if it matters, that the girl's parents are self-made millionaires, huge homes, expensive cars, etc. It's quite a life.

The father fears this may be influencing the fiance who works part time as a 'roofer helper'. Before moving in with his daughter six months ago, he lived with his mother after his separation. Father bought the daughter her condo in her name after she graduated as a teacher a few years back. I'm glad my kids only have their names on my timeshare deeds. :)

In addition, he knows his daughter is in a panic that her 'clock' is ticking, and suspects she might feel this is her only chance to have some babies so any guy will do. All her friends have already had babies so she's the last one.

Interesting thoughts so far - please keep them coming as I'm having lunch with the father tomorrow when his new boat is launched (his daughter isn't invited) and before he meets with his financial and legal advisors the next day. I think trouble's not far ahead.

Brian

stevedmatt said:
I am in construction and make more than anyone else in my family and my wife. They all have college degrees.

If being in contraction makes you a bad person, I guess I'll be in hell one day.

Seems to me your "friend" is very close minded.
 
I agree with everything, especially about not being judgemental or argumentative. One thing, though. Could the daughter be wanting a parental NO because she doesn't have the fortitude to back out of it herself? If so, she should not get one, but some conversation about how she must be the one who ends the engagement if that's what she really wants.

Age 29 is way into own responsibility territory. The parent can be unhappy about how things look, but not at all pushy.
 
geekette said:
It would be quite inappropriate for the parents of this daughter to INSIST on seeing her fiance's divorce decree. They have no right to demand such private information.

Gad has plenty of other good questions for the daughter, but I can't imagine leaving her career to take care of the stepkids. BUT, something could happen to the mother, and, well, you never know. Good thought-provokers for DD. These are certainly the kinds of things my father would have asked me to consider.

However, I am completely against telling your daughters that they better get married before they're 29 or you won't help pay for their weddings. Not everyone finds their way in life early on and can sock away THOUSANDS while paying for college debt. Many people never have a high-paying career at all.

The DD should see the divorce decree, sorry I wasn't clear on that. It is essential to be truthful and open with each other. She might have debts he doesn't know about. This being truthful applies to BOTH parties equally. Perhaps pull credit reports on each other, in this day and age. If either party say, has a bankruptcy, know upfront that it is going to affect their abilty to get credit and have a plan to deal with it.

Most college debt is totally avoidable--but many kids don't want to live at home (not cool, doncha know), don't want to go to fully-accredited but not glamorous El Cheapo State. No sympathy there. (I am excluding law, medical and other truly expensive degrees. No excuse for your basic Liberal Arts type debt). Even with a low-paying job, if you manage your money properly and look into things like "work-study" programs, you can pay for a college degree and not go into debt.

As far staying home to take care of stepkids, not to knock the guy, but many guys do not really want anything to do with the day-to-day care of young children, at least not until they are fully potty-trained (is DD looking forward to changing diapers?)--that's why they often don't seek custody until the kids are closer to high school age, when they won't have any responsibility of that type (just my observations, not meant to offend any of the Real Dads out there, btw). Who's going to be taking them to doctor and dental appointments, etc.? In other words, some guys just want to get married to have a live-in babysitter, just as some gals want a sugar daddy.

Who's making more money? The person who makes less should stay home, whatever the sex, unless the benefits at the lower-paying job are better. It is not cheap to put kids in daycare--by the time you add up costs to go to work, one party may find that it doesn't pay to go to work until all the children are in school. DD has to be prepared for that possibility or for him to stay home while she's working, or perhaps to work different shifts, so that there is always a family member home. It certainly doesn't sound like there will be family help on either side in the babysitting department.
 
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Maybe your friend should think back to when he/she was 29. How would they have reacted if their own parents had tried to tell them how to live their life? If they can say hand on heart that they would have appreciated and accepted parental intervention at that age then go right ahead!
 
stevedmatt said:
I don't personally like the "wont help after parents retire" rule as it may rush your child into a marrage they would spend some more time considering. It also contradicts your closing statement. I believe what ever rule you have should be clearly laid out, and not change due to what is a "bad partner" clause.

I don't like that rule either, I was just offering potentials should someone feel it necessary to make rules. If I had an unmarried daughter when I retired, I might tell her then what I could help with when/if she married, not set a stopwatch years in advance.

I'm with ya: if there is a rule in place, no clause.
 
Upbringing trumps Biological clock – if he raised her right Dad has no worries. Dad should meet the young man with the attitude that "I hope I'm wrong" & try his darndest to like him. If after giving it a few weeks of honest effort he still doesn't like the guy I feel he should tell his daughter how he truly feels. Genuine concern is never inappropriate - prejudice is.

As far as sharing his wealth, I'm sure Dad would not use his wealth to influence his daughter - that would be plain wrong.
 
I just spoke with my young adult Sunday School class about this subject today. Now, the times I've come across this dilemma with friends, the kids involved were younger than 29, so I do think that makes a difference. At 29, she's capable of making her own decisions and I think dad can lovingly express concern, but otherwise has to keep his mouth shut.

When my daughter, aged 19, announced her engagement to a 26 year old man she'd known for slightly over 4 weeks, it was tough! It wasn't that we didn't like the guy...we just hardly knew him! But when people asked how we felt about the situation, we only had nice things to say. "He's a good man. He loves her. She loves him. He's just about done with his education and will do well." After saying all these nice things about him, we began to believe them and did grow to love him. They had a 6-month engagement during which time I occasionally casually asked if she was still sure, because it wasn't too late. I wouldn't be mad if plans had to be changed. They were married in December. Things seem to be going well.

This same daughter, a year before, brought home a young man that she indicated she was getting serious with. I could tell not all was right with that situation. He was a nice young man who appeared to have a good future, but I could see that my daughter was not really in love with him. After a couple of months of dating, that flame had already diminished. It was a hard conversation to have, but I told her that I wasn't sure that she really loved him; that I didn't see that excitement in her. After a few days of tears and anger, she called to tell me I was right. Whew!
 
They shouldn't be using money as a weapon. That seems particularily horrible when they have it spare. Since they are well off they should talk to her about a pre-nup that would protect any inheirtance but approach it from a standpoint that no matter who she married it would be important to do since so many marriages end in divorce. They should pay for it since they are the ones wanting it and they should pay for what ever they would have paid for if this was their dream SIL. Does their daughter have a long history of making poor decisions that warrants them trying to manipulate her and cause her likely life long pain and hard feelings? Why do they think their money may be influencing the boy friends interest? Do they think their daughter's unloveable or couldn't land this man if say they were retired teachers?

If they are truly worried there is skeletons they could also secretly hire a private detective to see if he is doing anything illegal or immoral but unless they find something really serious like he has someone on the side or deals drugs they should keep their mouth shut about having it done.
 
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No personal experience with this sort of thing, just been an observer of other parents & their young adult childrens choices.

A touchy situation which the further details add to the complexity. The daughter is an adult, so the parents will have little control over her personal desicions. Have they met the fiance? Guess the parents could voice their hopes for the daughters happiness & well being. Ask interested questions re future plans and goals. Then hope for a long engagement.

I've seen people I know financially $upport their adult childrens difficult choices which enabled bad situations to progress to even more complicated.
 
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