What are the pros and cons of retail vs resale?

[Wolfgheist]

I am currently gold with 8,100 points for a 1 bedroom on Oahu on odd years. Gold is worthless with a 9 month advance booking and I have been unable to use it in three years.

I want to get 2 bedroom platinum, but HGVC wants an insane amount to upgrade to 11,200 points as platinum, 2 bedroom on odd years.

I was looking at resale, but HGVC is saying if I buy a resale platinum it is treated as gold and I would only get 9 month advance booking and not 12 months.

 

[GT75]

I was looking at resale, but HGVC is saying if I buy a resale platinum it is treated as gold and I would only get 9 month advance booking and not 12 months.

That is a complete lie. You will have the same rights as a retail buying with the ability to book HW. Which resort are you trying to purchase?

 

[Wolfgheist]

That is a complete lie. You will have the same rights as a retail buying with the ability to book HW. Which resort are you trying to purchase?

One at Hilton Hawaiian Village. I am sick of my gold being useless and they want another $20,000 just to upgrade to platinum. They said resale deeds lose priority 12 month booking and only get 9 month like gold.

Lagoon tower, Grand Waikikian or The Islander.

 

[letsgobobby]

you can buy 13,440 (2br ov) plat Lagoon points for about $8000 plus costing on the resale market. that's what we did. we have 12 month home week booking - just like retail - and 276 day club priority booking - just like retail.

 

[dayooper]

One at Hilton Hawaiian Village. I am sick of my gold being useless and they want another $20,000 just to upgrade to platinum. They said resale deeds lose priority 12 month booking and only get 9 month like gold.

Lagoon tower, Grand Waikikian or The Islander.

You will get the 12 month booking advantage with a resale deed just like a developer bought one.

 

[Wolfgheist]

you can buy 13,440 (2br ov) plat Lagoon points for about $8000 plus costing on the resale market. that's what we did. we have 12 month home week booking - just like retail - and 276 day club priority booking - just like retail.

Did you buy gold? I thought platinum was 12 months advance booking advance booking outside of home week.

 

[PigsDad]

Did you buy gold? I thought platinum was 12 months advance booking advance booking outside of home week.

Just to be clear: Gold vs. Platinum does NOT determine booking window. Outside of your Home Week, everyone gets the 9 month booking window. And with your Gold week, you can book your Home Week at 12 months out, but you have to book exactly what you own, which is a 1 BR during Gold season in odd years. You can’t book a Platinum week at 12 months out, just like a Platinum week owner can’t book a Gold week at 12 months out.

Kurt

 

[Wolfgheist]

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You will get the 12 month booking advantage with a resale deed just like a developer bought one.

Do you have platinum resale? If so, no issues booking 12 months in advance?

 

[Wolfgheist]

Just to be clear: Gold vs. Platinum does NOT determine booking window. Outside of your Home Week, everyone gets the 9 month booking window. And with your Gold week, you can book your Home Week at 12 months out, but you have to book exactly what you own, which is a 1 BR during Gold season in odd years. You can’t book a Platinum week at 12 months out, just like a Platinum week owner can’t book a Gold week at 12 months out.

Kurt

That is completely opposite of what HGVC is telling me about upgrading from gold to platinum. I actually have this in writing from the HGVC sales rep. I have it in writing that regardless of home week, I can book any other week 12 months in advance:

“It’s a guarantee you can book any other week 12 months out in platinum season but Christmas is the gamble”

 

[dioxide45]

That is completely opposite of what HGVC is telling me about upgrading from gold to platinum. I actually have this in writing from the HGVC sales rep. I have it in writing that regardless of home week, I can book any other week 12 months in advance:

“It’s a guarantee you can book any other week 12 months out in platinum season but Christmas is the gamble”

They are probably trying to push you Hilton Vacation Club US Collection points. These are actually the old Diamond Resorts trust points and actually have a 13 month booking window at any resort in the collection. In writing, may not mean in the contract.

 

[PigsDad]

That is completely opposite of what HGVC is telling me about upgrading from gold to platinum. I actually have this in writing from the HGVC sales rep. I have it in writing that regardless of home week, I can book any other week 12 months in advance:

“It’s a guarantee you can book any other week 12 months out in platinum season but Christmas is the gamble”

They are lying. The published HGV rules state otherwise. I would say that piece of paper from the salesman is worth the same as the paper you find in a bathroom stall (and probably less useful! ).

Kurt

 

[dayooper]

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Do you have platinum resale? If so, no issues booking 12 months in advance?

I have 2 platinum resale deeds. Although I have never used my home weeks, I have the link to book them at 12 months. I have often seen the booking window in my reservation window.

 

[Wolfgheist]

They are probably trying to push you Hilton Vacation Club US Collection points. These are actually the old Diamond Resorts trust points and actually have a 13 month booking window at any resort in the collection. In writing, may not mean in the contract.

Not sure what all that means, it is a deed for a Hilton Hawaiian village tower.

 

[Wolfgheist]

They are lying. The published HGV rules state otherwise. I would say that piece of paper from the salesman is worth the same as the paper you find in a bathroom stall (and probably less useful! ).

Kurt

Where can I find published rules for platinum?

 

[Wolfgheist]

I have 2 platinum resale deeds. Although I have never used my home weeks, I have the link to book them at 12 months. I have often seen the booking window in my reservation window.

Are other weeks at the home resort at 9 months or 12 months?

 

[Wolfgheist]

They are lying. The published HGV rules state otherwise. I would say that piece of paper from the salesman is worth the same as the paper you find in a bathroom stall (and probably less useful! ).

Kurt

I talked to the sales guy again and I think it is my lack of understanding. I guess there are three types. Gold, Platinum and dedicated week.

Anything during Gold season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in platinum season.

Anything during Platinum season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in gold season.

Then there are dedicated weeks like 51 & 52 that get priority auto bookings every year before Platinums get to book.

I only care about weeks 51&52, so I either need Platinum or dedicated.

What I need to know is if Platinum still keeps its 12 month advance for platinum season like 51 & 52 when you get from resale.

Another question is, if I have a retail timeshare and a I get a resale timeshare, will Hilton ever let me combine them, or will the resale always be the black sheep that they do not like?

Also, if I have a gold and a platinum, can I book any time of year and use the points from the other? If I have a platinum resale, and I book in platinum season, can I use my gold points in combination with my platinum points?

 

[dayooper]

Are other weeks at the home resort at 9 months or 12 months?

The only 12 month is my home week. That is defined by my deeded room size, designation (plus, premiere, standard) in my home season starting on the designated check in day. This is the way the home week works no matter where you bought it (developer or resale). This is what is deeded to you and it can’t change. Since my weeks are in Vegas, I’ll never use them.

Don’t let the salesperson fool you. They want their commission and many will say anything to get it.

 

[letsgobobby]

I talked to the sales guy again and I think it is my lack of understanding. I guess there are three types. Gold, Platinum and dedicated week.

Anything during Gold season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in platinum season.

Anything during Platinum season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in gold season.

Then there are dedicated weeks like 51 & 52 that get priority auto bookings every year before Platinums get to book.

I only care about weeks 51&52, so I either need Platinum or dedicated.

What I need to know is if Platinum still keeps its 12 month advance for platinum season like 51 & 52 when you get from resale.

Another question is, if I have a retail timeshare and a I get a resale timeshare, will Hilton ever let me combine them, or will the resale always be the black sheep that they do not like?

Also, if I have a gold and a platinum, can I book any time of year and use the points from the other? If I have a platinum resale, and I book in platinum season, can I use my gold points in combination with my platinum points?

event weeks like weeks 51-52 are typically sold as fixed weeks. you will get the same week you own booked every year automatically. you could choose to release them into points and book any other platinum home week at 12 months out.

if you want wk 51-52 in hawaii every year then you should buy those weeks exactly. that is the only way you can be assured of those weeks.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

pros and cons of retail vs resale?​

These threads slay me.
Pros of retail: maybe they give you a free (oh boy) cab ride to the sales pitch & pay for dinner.
Cons of retail: Lies. Many lies. And even more money out of your pocket than lies in your ears.

Pros of resale: fewer lies, less do-re-mi out of your pocket.
Cons of resale: fewer smiles from people trying to #&*(@ you. "At least you could buy me dinner first"

Gold is worthless with a 9 month advance booking and I have been unable to use it in three years.

Huh????????????? Even if the 9 mo claim were truly something special about "gold", there are places you can book at 9 mos. Even some nice ones. Not sure if you just refuse to book stuff or what is going on. You can use your pts to go to HGVC places other than the one on your deed. Not sure what you thought you were getting when you signed on the line-that-is-dotted.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

I only care about weeks 51&52, so I either need Platinum or dedicated.

Mic-drop. You needed either "dedicated" more commonly known as "Event" or you needed to be FLEXIBLE.
And if you're not flexible, well, idk what any of the Plat vs Gold vs combining even means. Is "walking a reservation" a segue here?
Do you feel Flexible? Well do ya, wolf?

 

[GT75]

@Wolfgheist, which resort are you interested in traveling to for weeks 51&52?

I talked to the sales guy again and I think it is my lack of understanding.

Honestly, the salespeople like to make it confusing. They certainly aren't going to help you understand everything because they are only interested in making a sale to collect a commission.

 

[HuskerATL]

The HGVC rules guide is on this link, it explains the seasons and all the rules about HW. There are 4; bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. Not all properties have all 4 Sims but they are only seasons to use your HW and the homeweek reservation window is 9 to 12 months. All retail and resale owners have the exact same HGVC use options. The only difference, right now, is that retail puts you in Max and resale won't. That just adds some perks and allows you to book in DRI.

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[WaikikiFirst]

Anything during Gold season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in platinum season. Anything during Platinum season is a home week and 12 months in advance and 9 months in gold season.

Not sure why but I had a brain-spasm last night about what may be confusing you. On Plat vs Gold, stop thinking about Plat vs Gold. THINK POINTS.
Say you want to by a 1 bdrm in Lagoon Tower (or a 2 bdrm, doesn't matter for the following): the REAL difference between buying a Plat vs a Gold deed is the # OF PTS. If you buy Gold wk, you don't have enough pts to book any equivalent Plat week. You could actually book Plat nights, just not a full wk, due to not having enough POINTS.
Take it a step further: buy 2 x Gold wks. Voila. You now have enough POINTS to book a Plat wk (with some to spare). It was not the word 'Gold" on the purchase that limited which wks you can reserve. It was the amount of POINTS.

Points. It's what's for dinner. Stop thinking about Plat vs Gold. You buy POINTS, really, and those are fungible. I have stayed at only 3 HGVC sites, but afaik there is no restriction about using Gold pts to reserve Plat nights anywhere. Barbados? bHC? Idk but I doubt it

 

[WaikikiFirst]

I have it in writing that regardless of home week, I can book any other week 12 months in advance:

“It’s a guarantee you can book any other week 12 months out in platinum season but Christmas is the gamble”

Again, stop thinking of HOME WEEK, unless you buy an Event Wk.. Home Wk is a type of reservation. It is not any kind of signifier in the deed.
Home Wk is a type of reservation that few people here ever use, which gives you an idea how secondary it is to your understanding of all this.

As for that quote by the salesperson,, it is by far NOT the worst thing they say or write. In fact, I wouldn't even call it a lie. It is not a "guarantee", but there is a very high probability that with a little planning and a little skill, that sentence is true ... IF YOU HAVE A PLAT DEED. Of course it is 100% false if you have only one Gold deed, because (as above) you don't have enough POINTS.

To get into weeds, I'll bet you could buy a GOLD 3 bdrm at Gr Wkikn and have enough POINTS to book a 1 bdrm PLAT wk at Lagoon, even ocean-view 1 bdrm prob.
Heck, you could buy a 3 bdrm Gold at Lagoon and then book a 1 bdrm wk at Gr Wkikn. True? Somebody check me on that, but that must be true.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

which resort are you interested in traveling to for weeks 51&52?

LOL. THis is the type of specificity that has to be in th eOP every time, but never is. My word. I give the salesppl a bit of a break because when people don't know how to ALWAYS BE MORE SPECIFIC, they are sure to end up not understanding things. The salesppl know that and use it.

From the beginning I was wondering "Is Wolf demanding to book Christmas Week in the Gr Wkikn and nothing else?" the other wild thing about the OP ...