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Westin Desert Willow annual meeting

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Today I attended the Westin Desert Willow annual meeting as I usually do. So I thought I'd report on some of the main points from the resort manager's presentation.

First of all, maintenance fees for 2026 are only going up by $11.43, which is a 0.4% increase. Operating expenses are actually forecast down for the year – they've been working hard to make their operations more efficient – but replacement reserves increased; there's a major refurbishment coming in 2030 and they are starting to beef up the reserves to ensure they will have the necessary funds to pay for everything then.

They measure themselves by guest satisfaction surveys; scores dipped in the spring as a result of a series of infrastructure problems that directly impacted guests (Wifi failures, TV signal issues, water issues requiring water to be shut off to the entire property on multiple occasions.) But the scores rebounded by the summer and they are tracking higher than 2024.

Housekeeping is in the midst of a bunch of changes to improve efficiency. They've moved to a "buddy program" where they use two housekeepers to clean each rom instead of one. This proves to be more efficient and also leads to fewer injuries and workman's comp claims. They have also improved processes around housekeeping inventory and stocking of supply closets to eliminate the need for housekeepers to go multiple places looking for needed items or supplies. Finally, they are moving to a new Optii (brand) scheduling and tracking system where housekeepers will have electronic devices which keep them up to date on changes in which rooms need to be cleaned when.

Revenue: they have been working on increasing ancillary revenues for things like parking fees (which do not impact ownership reservations) and cabana rentals, as that revenue helps offset cost increases to keep MFs down. Parking revenue is up 9% in 2025 (they increased the parking fee for transient guests to $25 last year, and they plan to increase it again to $30 next year.). During the Q&A, I asked and they confirmed that the parking revenue flows directly to the HOA and directly benefits owners.

They have a new "virtual agent" called Eva which is essential AI to handle first-line inquiries. Although it's not perfect (but is getting better), the use of this tool reduced front desk calls by 45% from May to September, which directly reduces staffing needs and costs.

Mobile Check-in is coming in Q1 2026. This may not let you completely bypass the checking desk, but will allow you to make the in-person checkin much quicker and more efficient.

They have also made changes to the mobile ordering (for food and drinks at the pools) for better efficiency. You can now charge purchases to credit cards through the web site (previously, only room charges could be processed automatically, and credit card charges required someone to make multiple trips to the guest.). It's also now possible to do cabana rental through mobile.

Capital improvements in 2025: Tennis/pickleball courts have been resurfaced and painted, the chain link fences renovated. (They look really nice.). A new half-court basketball court is coming soon in an unused area next to the tennis courts.

The Ironwood and Quiet Pool restrooms have been renovated (and also look very nice.). A new monument sign at the property entrance was installed and is more visible than the old one.

The Jimmy Jammer water slide was repainted and renovated, including new footings.

In 2026, a major project will replace the HVAC systems in the clubhouse and in phase 1 and 2 buildings. Parking lots will be slurry sealed and restripesd. Beds will get new duvets. There will be new signage through the property. Grills will be replaced. They are also beefing up and formalizing the shuttle program and will be installing shuttle stops with seating and there will be scheduled shuttle service. Finally, the Ironwood pool deck will receive maintenance of its surface.

During 2025, they have done well on performing within the budget and expect to end 2025 with a $1.2MM surplus, which also helped to mitigate MF increases for 2026.

The 2026 Annual Meeting will be held on 11/6/26 which is a week later than usual.

Three board members were elected, two of whom are new, although one of them is the wife of one of the termed-out board members who is departing. The newly elected board members are Peter Antinoph (re-elected), Kimberly Brick, and William (Bud) Staples. I think Antinoph and Brick are MVC insiders and Mr. Staples is not.
 
Thank you for letting us know. If they are going to beef up the reserves, I am surprised in such a modest increase in fees. We own an EOY odd 2 bedroom. We hope to get to go in 2027. We will probably just book the one bedroom. Our grandkids would love it.
 
Thanks - interesting to read how they are getting more efficient and have additional revenue flowing in. I expect this will be the case for other Vistana resorts.
 
I did see somewhere else about the $30 parking fees. I think this is going to be across the board at all Marriott and Vistana properties.

Hopefully with the new housekeeping tracking system this will prevent staff from hovering outside our door starting at 9am when we aren't checking out till 10am. I can't even take a load of stuff to our vehicle without them asking if we are done. This happens very often.
 
I did see somewhere else about the $30 parking fees. I think this is going to be across the board at all Marriott and Vistana properties.

Hopefully with the new housekeeping tracking system this will prevent staff from hovering outside our door starting at 9am when we aren't checking out till 10am. I can't even take a load of stuff to our vehicle without them asking if we are done. This happens very often.
Yes I think part of the idea is that they can inform housekeeping in real time which rooms have checked out. Or if they grant someone a late checkout (it's rare, but once in a while it happens) housekeeping can be informed so they go to other rooms first.
 
I did see somewhere else about the $30 parking fees. I think this is going to be across the board at all Marriott and Vistana properties.

Hopefully with the new housekeeping tracking system this will prevent staff from hovering outside our door starting at 9am when we aren't checking out till 10am. I can't even take a load of stuff to our vehicle without them asking if we are done. This happens very often.
Yes I think part of the idea is that they can inform housekeeping in real time which rooms have checked out. Or if they grant someone a late checkout (it's rare, but once in a while it happens) housekeeping can be informed so they go to other rooms first.
At WKORV a couple of weeks ago - they offer BV points for checking out early (by text) by 7:30 or 8:30 am. Great idea.
 
At WKORV a couple of weeks ago - they offer BV points for checking out early (by text) by 7:30 or 8:30 am. Great idea.
They’ve been doing that for a while. WDW does it too, but maybe only at times when they are booked full and really want to incentivize people to get out early.
 
Thanks for the update. IMHO...I have read reviews that the units are dated so opted to stay elsewhere in the area. I am surprised they are waiting until 2030 to make renovations which means that most renovation may not be completed until 2032. That's a long time!
 
Thanks for the update. IMHO...I have read reviews that the units are dated so opted to stay elsewhere in the area. I am surprised they are waiting until 2030 to make renovations which means that most renovation may not be completed until 2032. That's a long time!
We stayed in a renovated room last year. I suspect it was only soft goods, but it had certainly been renovated since our prior trip there in 2023. I think the two units were in buildings that were side by side.
 
Thanks for the update. IMHO...I have read reviews that the units are dated so opted to stay elsewhere in the area. I am surprised they are waiting until 2030 to make renovations which means that most renovation may not be completed until 2032. That's a long time!
We are here for several weeks each year. This year, our four stays here will total seven weeks.

I don't know who told you that the rooms were dated, but I've been in rooms all over the property and have never been in a room that I'd call dated. They get regular soft goods refurbishments, which includes the furnishings, and the big renovation in 2030 will be the first "hard" refurb in which they basically get new kitchens and baths. I didn't think they were dated even before the refurbs, but some of them were getting mildly worn. I think they have the work timed so it happens largely before it really needs to, so that nothing ever becomes seriously worn or dated.

Around the pandemic time (can't remember if it was right before or during) the earlier phases got a full soft refurb which included new furniture, fixtures/lighting, paint, etc. They updated the decor and I don't think they look at all dated. Now all of the phases have received those upgrades.

I have stayed at some of the Marriott-branded properties in this area and WDW is certainly a cut above any of them, though they are nice too.

The units do stick largely to the Westin color palette, and perhaps you consider that dated. I'd say it's more timeless. Some of the Marriott timeshare units with their fluorescent green and orange decor may be modern, but they are a bit nausea-inspiring to me.
 
I forgot to mention, during the meeting I asked about something we have often wondered about here, namely how they deal with the increased housekeeping costs for transient-occupied units (typically these are developer-owned inventory, or inventory within 60 days of check-in which reverts to developer control. Transient occupants receive housekeeping service every other day.)

The regional manager from MVC addressed that question. He said they have a very complex calculation, he said it was one of the most complicated spreadsheets in their entire operation, which they go through every year to estimate the housekeeping costs for transient stays. MVC then contributes the resulting amount back to each HOA with the end of making transient stays cost-neutral for each association, with regard to housekeeping expenses. He said they spend quite a bit of time on this every year to try to update all the data and get it right.
 
I agree on the decor of Westin being more timeless, while Marriott might be seeing the light. The red furniture at Grande Vista for a few years was pretty when it was new, but it didn't last long, and it looked ragged and aged by the time they went neutral.
 
@daviator here is the thread where I got my impression. I stand corrected. It was Westin Mission HIlls that is dated and does not get good reviews. However there are two comments #45 and #46 which speak to the parking lot. I do wonder what the new wave pool development will do for crowding and noise.


I recently stayed at the HGVC Palm Desert (former Embarc) next door. It is lovely two story with many pools, colorful desert landscaping and lots of character. Our room had an outdoor fireplace and shower and a huge private terrace with a dining table and two lounge chairs. Every few buildings have a pool and hot tub and BBQ. Even though they told us it is full, we may only see one couple (if any) at the pools or hot tub and we never have to fight for pool chairs or BBQ space.

I too like the brown/tan Westin and do not find it dated. We own at WKV and SDO (and recently sold our WKORVN) and do not mind the Westin 4 story architecture with the fixed balcony. However when we compare to having an empty hot tub and pool and BBQ within reach of our door, a large terrace with fireplace and outdoor shower, compared to the Westins which center around large busy pools and chair hogs, I appreciate the former configuration. One of the reasons we sold WKORVN was not only the high MFs but my husband thought it was too crowded and wants to stay at quieter resorts.

To be fair, I haven't stayed at WDW so perhaps my experience with other Westins is not the case at WDW. We still like our Westins and look forward to staying at them. I just realized during our recent trip that alternatives exist where you don't need to fight with chair hogs or share a hot tub with a lot of people.
 
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@daviator here is the thread where I got my impression. I stand corrected. It was Westin Mission HIlls that is dated and does not get good reviews. However there are two comments #45 and #46 which speak to the parking lot. I do wonder what the new wave pool development will do for crowding and noise.


I recently stayed at the HGVC Palm Desert (former Embarc) next door. It is lovely two story with many pools, colorful desert landscaping and lots of character. Our room had an outdoor fireplace and shower and a huge private terrace with a dining table and two lounge chairs. Every few buildings have a pool and hot tub and BBQ. Even though they told us it is full, we may only see one couple (if any) at the pools or hot tub and we never have to fight for pool chairs or BBQ space.

I too like the brown/tan Westin and do not find it dated. We own at WKV and SDO (and recently sold our WKORVN) and do not mind the Westin 4 story architecture with the fixed balcony. However when we compare to having an empty hot tub and pool and BBQ within reach of our door, a large terrace with fireplace and outdoor shower, compared to the Westins which center around large busy pools and chair hogs, I appreciate the former configuration. One of the reasons we sold WKORVN was not only the high MFs but my husband thought it was too crowded and wants to stay at quieter resorts.

To be fair, I haven't stayed at WDW so perhaps my experience with other Westins is not the case at WDW. We still like our Westins and look forward to staying at them. I just realized during our recent trip that alternatives exist where you don't need to fight with chair hogs or share a hot tub with a lot of people.
Mission Hills is an older property and is probably more dated. I haven’t stayed there in a long time so can’t comment, but I find it less desirable than WDW for multiple reasons. It’s still a nice property I think, just not as nice.

I agree that the wave park may create issues with crowding and noise. The WDW management is concerned as well and has already been engaging with the surf park people on that subject. The noisy equipment for the park is all underground and should not be noisy so it’s more the people noises that are a concern. It will only impact the two buildings closest to the front of the property, I think. Time will tell how all that goes.

It is likely that WDW will become the de facto hotel for people visiting the surf park until the planned hotel there gets built, which is likely several years away. So perhaps that will make rentals at WDW a hot commodity.

We have never found chair hogs to be a big problem at WDW like they are at WKORV and some of the other properties. Perhaps because the resort has one more pool than it actually needs, there is always plenty of seating. If they ever build the missing five buildings that were originally planned but never built, that could change, but there are no plans to move forward with additional construction.

I run past the HGVC (formerly Embarc) property whenever I’m here and I think they look really nice, always thought about trying to exchange in there via II just to give it a try, but haven’t actually tried to do so.

WDW isn’t perfect but I’m happy with it as someone who has now owned there for well over a decade. I bought it expecting it would be a trader, but we like the property and area so much, and love the ability to just load up the car and drive down from NorCal… and now we have family who has retired to the new Cotino development down the street, so we are here a lot.
 
Good to know the pools are not crowded. Will have to stay there sometime.

It was our first time at the HGVC Palm Desert. We thought it might be dated given former Diamond but it has desert character and well maintained. We were pleasantly surprised. We have access to it via DeX so weeks are plentiful and we are not charged resort fees as an HGVC owner.

II also drops at times:

For example...there is an II getaway for Palm Desert 2 bdrm that just dropped starting November 16 $797/week.

The 1 bdrm terraces and terrace premier (what we stayed in) are upstairs units and have the outdoors showers. The 2 bdrms are downstairs. All have outdoor fireplaces. I will post a sticky about the resort layout in the HGVC forum when I return from our travels.
 
With my MIL now having retired in PSP a few years ago we’ve been making heavy use of the Westin properties there (as well as a II trade into Marriott Shadow Ridge).

For a family stay I we probably prefer WDW given the availability of the pools. I find the units at WDW to be quite comparable to WKV, but actually prefer WDW over WKV now.

That said, we’ve stayed a couple of times at WMH and really like it. It’s more “laid back” than WDW and I found the staff there to be absolutely lovely. Less concrete (and walking) than WDW and being able to sit on the large patio while watching the sun come up was always a treat. The WMH units also feel larger and have been well maintained. I remember reading the thread from 2020 and being surprised when we go to WMH as our experience was quite different (and there are hair dryers in the unit!)
 
I thought it was former Embarc, not Diamond.
Diamond owned Embarc, but you’re correct that this was part of the Embarc system.
 
It's still part of the Embarc collection. HGVC and Embarc have been kept separate and you can't book Embarc with a Hilton and vice versa unless you buy into their HGV Max scheme.
The DEX exchange system (and II) are the easiest way to get access.
Palm Desert is "HGVC" in name only. In all other aspects it's still Embarc although Hilton added their brand. It was built by Intrawest and acquired by Diamond in late 2015. Embarc standards have always been generally superior to Diamond's and the clubs were never integrated into Diamond either (because of very well drafted governance documents where make it virtually impossible to do). Embarc (9 clubs) has always been managed as a separate entity to either Diamond or Hilton.
 
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