Westgate Value and All weeks

[talkamotta]

What are Developer's Exchanges?

I had never heard of it before either. I was quoting the manual, and of course they, meaning WGV makes the rules for the manual. I thought when you bought a week and decided to exchange it in to one of the many trading companies, it would be called an owner's exchange. They also rent out weeks so that bucket might not be so good on the better trading weeks.

I dont know if II or any other exchange companies pays a percentage of the rental exchange to the developer? Dont know if the developer just deposits a mass amount of weeks into II (for example) and how they are compensated. In this case WG is big time in giving time spent in the resort for the sales presentation (they need popular weeks). So I think our better trading weeks will go in that pot and in my case I get to trade with prime time hurricane/non school time/lower trading value week than what I bought. How convenient that good exchanges go into the "Developer's Exchanges" and II gets crap weeks.

I agree with the prevous posters saying that control should be given back to the owners and a management company. I dont think thats going to happen in my lifetime.

 

[JLB]

But if a group of owners wanted to--take back their resort(s) from the sleazy, slimey, scammy scumbags--there couldn't be a better time than now.

Go for it, all of you that love your resort(s) and would like to see them lifted from the cloud of perversion.

Someone has to start the movement, and I can't think of better people than y'all, as you have done a fine job of defending them against the warnings of a couple of Chicken Little (boy, that brings back a memory ) fuddy-duddies here.

I agree with the prevous posters saying that control should be given back to the owners and a management company. I dont think thats going to happen in my lifetime.

 

[timeos2]

Throw the bums out

But if a group of owners wanted to--take back their resort(s) from the sleazy, slimey, scammy scumbags--there couldn't be a better time than now.

Go for it, all of you that love your resort(s) and would like to see them lifted from the cloud of perversion.

Someone has to start the movement, and I can't think of better people than y'all, as you have done a fine job of defending them against the warnings of a couple of Chicken Little (boy, that brings back a memory ) fuddy-duddies here.

Jim - I for one am not afraid to take on incompetent to corrupt management as I have been a part of such actions in the past. In the case of Wastegate they are so underhanded that, in watching carefully for over a decade, I've never seen a ballot/proxy go out to owners to elect the HOA Board. I don't even know who makes up the Board (although the old list I have includes the King and other suspect names). It's hard enough to rally owners if there is at least minimal access to them but nearly impossible when the developer holds ham fisted, total control as Wastegate does. Why the State hasn't clamped down on this obvious violation I don't know but they tend to need a push to do anything. I'm sure Wastegate is playing that for all its worth. If anyone starts a push to get real owners in control I'm there. Yesterday.

 

[JLB]

Of course, John, owners have no voice, HOAs are hand-picked scumcrats and CFI Management runs the resorts.

We all know the, "Mr. S cannot do that because he does not control that HOA," line they feed you is pure BS.

Still, now is the best time ever to rasie a ruckus, if a person was so inclined.

 

[frenchieinme]

Is this needed in productive debating of issues???

... as you have done a fine job of defending them against the warnings of a couple of Chicken Little (boy, that brings back a memory ) fuddy-duddies here....

It's a shame when people need to revert to name calling when trying to make a point.

Is this really necessary? Why does one need to revert to name calling to make a point? Have you ever been refered to in such a way by the referred to Chicken Littles & fuddy-duddies? Why can't people simply discuss in a rational, respectful way when exchanging a difference of ideas?

Come on now; chill out; get a life my friend..:hysterical:

 

[JLB]

So, now we are resorting (get it?) to criticizing me for calling myself a name?

:rofl:

 

[frenchieinme]

Let's act...

There should be no name calling period. If one can not treat himself/herself with respect, how can one treat others with respect? Discussions of topics should be adult like and respectful all the while recognizing the fact there are different opinkions out there. RESPECT---It starts with oneself and then spreads. That is all I am saying.

We don't want discussions going the way the discussions of politics went. Remember that? In the discussion of the topic, contributors loss sight of respectfulness and it did nothing to the topic but demean it and finally get banned outright. :ignore:

Just MHO, of course.

By the way JLB, I am returning for another week at WGL as my daughter from TN with our grand-daughter (who were there also in Feb) are bringing my son-in-law with them. He is an avid golfer. Any suggestions as to where he can golf inexpensively with the most perks and bennies? Any suggestions as I read along the way you liked to golf and probably know something which may prove to be beneficial. Why reinvent the wheel so as to speak.

frenchieinme

 

[JLB]

Maybe you can play on Mr. S's course over in Haines City. Just be careful if Mr. and Mrs. S. join you and yours. According to testimony . . . nah, I'll let you read it yourself.

Sure, I get discount Orlando emails twice a week. Go to golf18orlando.com.

I really enjoy Remington for All You Can, Hit and Play for one fee. I'd give you the link but I'm not on my computer.

And . . . no one was calling anyone names. I referred to those of us who have been warning about the slime and sleaze at WG as Chicken Little, who imagined the sjy was falling, because of those who have countered saying things are all just Okey Dokey there.

By the way JLB, I am returning for another week at WGL as my daughter from TN with our grand-daughter (who were there also in Feb) are bringing my son-in-law with them. He is an avid golfer. Any suggestions as to where he can golf inexpensively with the most perks and bennies? frenchieinme

 

[dcire]

Well, well...After reading all these posts regarding WG it would appear that some of our fellow Tuggers are turning on one another. Come on now folks, let's remember our freedom of speech rights and the fact that we are all entitled to our own opinions. Some of us (including me) have had a few negative experiences with WG. So, as long is there is no profanity being used we should respect others right to express THEIR views on issues that have affected them. Remember, it is only someone's personal opinion. We don't all have to agree with it! Let's all continue to read and digest all this information in a positive way as to enhance all of our timeshare usage.

 

[london]

Freedom of Speech

Well, well...After reading all these posts regarding WG it would appear that some of our fellow Tuggers are turning on one another. Come on now folks, let's remember our freedom of speech rights and the fact that we are all entitled to our own opinions. Some of us (including me) have had a few negative experiences with WG. So, as long is there is no profanity being used we should respect others right to express THEIR views on issues that have affected them. Remember, it is only someone's personal opinion. We don't all have to agree with it! Let's all continue to read and digest all this information in a positive way as to enhance all of our timeshare usage.

Well said.......with over 50 posts.....Westgate appears to be a continuing saga for many.

I have not seen any other timeshare or timeshare group garner so much interest on TUG.

 

[JLB]

Actually, I don't see that anyone has intentionally criticized anyone or given them behavior lectures.

When you say a lot of words, you are bound to make a bad choice occassionally. I'm not one to sit, lying in wait, perched on every post, watching for someone to make an occassional poor word choice.

Like, in post 55, Frenchie used the word revert, when referring to name-calling. Of course, revert implies that there had been previous name-calling, and I know he didn't intend that meaning. Revert and resort are similar-sounding.

He also made an innocent mistake when he thought my use of Chicken Little was name-calling. It wasn't. It was just a reference to how some have reacted to those of us who have been warning of the slime and sleaze in WG marketing. Everyone knows that Chicken Little was not heeded when he claimed the sky was falling, similar to warning about WG over the years, that some choose not to heed it because they, personally have not experienced it . . . yet.

Or was that the boy who cried Wolf?

Well, either works.

Except now a court of law has gotten involved, and has decided that the sky really was falling, or at least the sky above Mr. S. or they have declared that Mr. S. really is a wolf, whichever anecdote you prefer.

For those of us who have been here awhile, Chicken Little also has a second, tongue-in-cheek meaning, not related to WG in any way.

The point is that no one has called anyone any names.

So, I don't hold anything against Frenchie. He just made an innocent mistake.

Wow, deja vu all over again on TUG. First, you post. Then you have to post again, to explain what your first post meant, because someone did not get it. Then you have to post again to defend what your first two posts meant. And so on . . .

 

[Jollyhols]

I posted about this topic ages ago. Our week was sold when 'all weeks were equal' and some people seemed to think I was not telling the truth - how could my week 44 be equivalent to a busy week? But I am afraid this was really how it was sold to us. The system was changed way after we purchased with no consultation and we only found out when we tried to exchange into March and were told we'd have to pay an upgrade fee. Apparently it was in the Westgator mag but despite repeated checking that they have the correct address for us, we haven't received a copy after about the first 2 or 3 after we purchased.

PS for the week we wanted to go to Orlando in March, it worked out a lot cheaper to book a package (flights, car, Westgate studio) through Expedia!

Forgot to mention - even worse - that we originally bought a June week, but found we had to travel mostly in November so did a straight swap with Westgate. They didn't warn us we were swapping for a lesser week but then at that time they were still saying they were all equal. I did try to argue with them but ran out of steam.

 

[AwayWeGo]

Mostly WestGate But Not Just WestGate.

I have not seen any other timeshare or timeshare group garner so much interest on TUG.

SunTerra generated some lively back & forth there for a while.

That has diminished greatly since SunTerra's takeover by Diamond Resorts & the conversion of Club SunTerra to T.H.E. Club.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​