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weeks vs points [Grandview]

Jodyv

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I recently attended an Owner's Update at Grandview. They "suggested" I trade my weeks for points (at a cost, of course) and explained all the ways points would work better.
Although I didn't change anything, some of the arguments for points were valid. Essentially, that you don't waste time you don't spend at the resort. (I was only at my resort for four days, but they didn't know that.) They also would give me another "free" week or two, and they told me that weeks' exchanges were going to become less available.
I'm not sorry I didn't change, but I WOULD like to know if the inventory will have less availability. If I plan a big vacation, I'm not unhappy with a week. If i only plan a few days, the Last Minute Deals have worked for me well. I'd like to know what you experts think. Thanks.
 
Do you currently use RCI with your weeks? If yes, do you get TPUs for exchange and how many TPUs do you get?
 
I recently attended an Owner's Update at Grandview. They "suggested" I trade my weeks for points (at a cost, of course) and explained all the ways points would work better.
Although I didn't change anything, some of the arguments for points were valid. Essentially, that you don't waste time you don't spend at the resort. (I was only at my resort for four days, but they didn't know that.) They also would give me another "free" week or two, and they told me that weeks' exchanges were going to become less available.
I'm not sorry I didn't change, but I WOULD like to know if the inventory will have less availability. If I plan a big vacation, I'm not unhappy with a week. If i only plan a few days, the Last Minute Deals have worked for me well. I'd like to know what you experts think. Thanks.
I just got a grandview points account resale basically for my covering the transfer costs. It was for 98,000Pts for a 2BR. Not the top points to MF but decent IMHO.

I will preface that I've only ever used "weeks" RCI via my corporate accounts at Wyndham and HGVC. So I don't have much of a feel for TPUs.

Points specifically in RCI seem "better" in that it gets you a weeks account included so you get access to both sets of inventory. So you do get more inventory - I've seen it in the last 2 weeks since I got my account. There are ones "subtly" marked weeks vs points - basically if you can "hold" a week, it's weeks inventory. I guess you can also book less than a week at a time, but I don't think that makes a lot of sense in RCI to me because most resorts charge an extra cleaning fee that more than makes up for the exchange discount (if you got one) on stays less than a week. I guess if you were staying at Hiltons though the less days of a resort fee may make it a wash though.

If you were getting resale and had a choice, I think Points makes sense because of the above, you get both sets of inventory and can just book weeks anyway. However, if you're getting TPUs I think you get most of the points benefits anyway cause TPUs are points - i.e. you easily split the value of a good week over multiple lesser weeks / seasons / resorts / sales whatever.

I don't think paying whatever Grandview wants to convert will make sense though. Retail is always way overpriced. I'd suggest just looking for a giveaway there if you want points.
 
Many years ago our weeks timeshare wanted us to convert to points as they said weeks were going away in RCI. The cost they wanted to convert was more than what we originally paid for the week in 1982 so we said no thanks. We eventually were able to find a free week that the original owners had paid to convert to RCI points, and now we have both. We have a points and a weeks account on RCI with different log-ins but we pay just 1 membership fee.

The problem with booking shorter (6 nights or less) stays with points is that you also need to pay an extra housekeeping fee (set by the resort) in addition to the exchange fee. The good thing is that the exchange fee for booking longer stays (8-13 nights) is the same as for booking a 7 night stay. The few times we have needed a 5 night stay I found it much cheaper to book a 7 night Last Call (both times were in Orlando/Kissimmee) stay and just leave early or check in a day late than when I calculated the cost of using the required number or points, paying the exchange fee and the housekeeping fee. For that reason we have never booked anything less than a 7 night stay in the 15 or so years that we have had our points timeshare.

~Diane
 
Thanks for your input. I have RCI and use it for trades. Pretty much I've done as Diane suggested. Glad to hear your opinions.
 
(opinion only) It depends on the cost to convert. Grandview has among the lowest cost RCI points vs MF that I'm aware of. We have one points ownership at Sedona that we've only visited the resort once in nearly 20 years and rented then. We find the points flexible and use them annually to go somewhere. Lately, though, we seem to just be getting one points exchange yearly while in earlier years I'd parlay our points into 2 or more weeks a year. I don't think it's a general devaluation of the points, rather laziness on my part. If the exchanges we want are 2 BRs and we just need one bed- we take it anyway and spend the points.

Anyway, if the cost to convert seems reasonable, I think when you are ready to unload it, the points unit will have more value than a weeks unit in the same resort, but how much more is an unknown.

I've had my Sedona Points ownership listed on TUG Marketplace for over a year with zero inquiries.

Jim
 
didnt mention how much they wanted to charge you for this "conversion"!
 
I've had my Sedona Points ownership listed on TUG Marketplace for over a year with zero inquiries.

Jim
but your listing isnt offering them for free vs asking for a few thousand dollars.
 
I asked if you currently had a RCI account because that will guide the response.
Since you already have an RCI account and do exchange to other places, my recommendation will be to pick up a free unit that is already in points. I have a triennial 1 bedroom 49k unit. I get 16,333 units deposited every January and I pay about $152 per year. That works for me and I can travel under short notice. I typically reserve something under 10k. If you use any amount of points, your remaining points carry over without a fee.
Also, as already mentioned, you get to pay only one membership fee to RCI for both weeks and points account.
You can keep both weeks and points or drop the weeks if you don't want it anymore. You can also get the annual 49k or 61k ($152 x 3) unit or get the 2 bedroom 122k points (about $930 in MF) if you want more points.
Cost: you can get this for free or maybe just the transfer cost. Beats converting by a long shot.
 
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but your listing isnt offering them for free vs asking for a few thousand dollars.
True. I bought it for roughly what I'm asking and the MF is roughly the exchanging value I get. This one is my last TS and we still make one or more TS stays a year. I suppose when we quit TS travel entirely, I'll be more amenable to giving it away. So far, paying the annual nut isn't a hardship. The 'kids' don't want anything to do with our TSs, but we can use the points to visit them. They win anyway.
 
I haven't posted recently but you might be able to find some of my old posts explaining, extolling, the benefits of owning points vs weeks.

We've had our RCI Points account for 20 years now. I make very good use of those points. In 2022, I found 2 fixed weeks here on TUG to use for Wyndham PIC weeks. That year it was past the time I could deposit the weeks in RCI to use for the PICs so we got the TPUs, Trading Power Units, for those weeks. I'm finally using up the last of those first year TPUs. It's been quite a learning experience with the RCI Weeks account.

If you're short points you can borrow points from your next use year. You have to prepay the next year's maintenance fees. You pay the current year amount and at the end of the year pay the difference if the maintenance fees went up. With Weeks/TPUs you'd also have to prepay the maintenance fees. And then deposit your week and pay the fee to combine the TPUs.

With Weeks you don't have the option to rent TPUs if you're short a few. With Points accounts you do have the option to rent the points you're short at, in my opinion, a reasonable cost.

Weeks owners only see the inventory from what other Weeks owners deposit for trade. Points owners see that inventory but also the more extensive inventory from all the underlying weeks inventory Points owners points are based on. Weeks owners don't see that.

I now have personal experience with comparing what's available with Points accounts compared to Weeks. Even before we had a Weeks account I would find and book stays on Hilton Head for my sister and BIL. They love HH and have a Weeks account but couldn't see the same inventory I saw with our Points account.

On your Grandview contract/deed, it shows a week number. For points owners, that week automatically goes into the inventory available to all points owners each year and you get your points. If one year you want to use your week instead of getting the points, there's a timeframe beforehand to do that. I think it's a minimum of 12-13 months? You have to tell the resort office, not the front desk, that you want to do that and they withdraw your week from points for that year. Probably have to contact RCI too.

The top Grandview weeks, Massanutten Regal Vistas weeks, I think the top Vacation Village at Williamsburg weeks, and a very few other resorts give the owners the most points. See the attached picture for how many points the different Grandview weeks get. All 1 bedroom owners pay the same maintenance fees regardless of how many points their weeks get. Same with the 2 bedroom weeks. As you can see from the picture, owning a week in the two highest point tiers gives you the most bang for your maintenance fee bucks. For Weeks owners, the number of TPUs they get depends on when they deposit their week. It's isn't an automatic fixed number.

Our first Grandview weeks were 98k point weeks because I wasn't willing to pay what 122k point weeks were going for back then. I was patient and kept watching. It took a couple years to find what I'd wanted at a price i was willing to pay. Then I rehomed our 98k point weeks. You'll see owners call it readjusting your portfolio.

Even before my husband retired he had the job flexibility for us to be able to take advantage of the reduced 4900, 6000, 7500, 9000 point weeks you can find typically only within a month of the check in date. I used see a lot more of the heavily discounted point stays within 6 to sometimes 8 weeks but haven't for a few years now. However RCI periodically runs deals/offers for discounted point weeks at a variety of resorts. They aren't nearly as heavily discounted, but they'll often be up to several months out. I've seen up to 6 months out but 2-4 months out is what you'll usually find.

I've always been able to get several weeks out of the points we get from our 98k or 122k point weeks. Yes, I have to pay the exchange fee for each of those weeks. I look at it this way. If I just used our week it has a value of $950 in maintenance fees. The current exchange fee is $299. So any stays we have after the first one cost us $299 without us having to own additional weeks. Say we get 4 weeks from a year's points. I will have spent a total of approximately $1850 or $460 a week. So $950 for just one week or $460 a piece for 4 weeks. If you have the vacation time, flexibility to go within that last month when the deep discounts can be found, watch the offers for dates farther out, and are willing to try different places/expand your horizons, it's not that hard to get 3 or 4 weeks, sometimes more, out of 98k or 122k points. This is very much an owner usage varies thing.

Some of our favorite places, resorts, are ones we gave a chance after checking them out. Always keep in mind when you read reviews that many people think they booked a hotel and have no idea how timeshares work. Search online to see what there is to do in the area. Post asking other owners about the resort and area. Call the resort and talk to them. Just try not to call at check in or check out times. Ask if it's a good time for them to answer your questions. If it's not ask when would be a good time to call back or if there's someone in particular you should try to talk to. If you've read some less than favorable things about the resort try to frame your questions to not put the employee on the spot. Pay attention if they seem hesitant or reluctant in their answers. They're trying to tell you without openly telling you and possibly getting in trouble.

It pays to look over the emails from RCI before you trash them. You can also log in and check out the current offers. In addition to point discounts or a reduced number of TPUs, RCI periodically offers money off the exchange fees. The promotions/deals usually only run for a couple of days.

Last month the offers were for a $199 exchange fee and discounted points/TPUs. I was able to take advantage of both in both our Points and Weeks accounts. I booked the week of 11/28 in a one bedroom/full kitchen unit at Shell Vacations Club Legacy Golf Resort in Phoenix, AZ for 4 TPUs. Then i booked the following week at Worldmark New Braunfels, Texas, in a two bedroom unit for 26,000 points. We've stayed at this resort before and are looking forward to going back to the area. Both were exactly what I needed, and we wanted, to make our way home on this year's 3 month fall trip using our timeshares.

The highest point stay I booked this year was 53,000 points for a 2 bedroom unit at the Holiday Inn Club Vacations Desert Club Resort in Las Vegas in late November. In addition to it being Thanksgiving week, it's also the weekend of the Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix race. The resort is convenient to the Strip, in view of the Sphere, and on the race route. I gladly used 53,000 points for that week! I'd been looking at, considering, various options for places we could go next on this trip when I saw that week show up. It pays to keep checking because new inventory gets added.

For this fall trip I did something I haven't done, needed to do, before this because I don't book for less than a full week. I booked two 2 night stays to break up our drive on our upcoming long fall trip. The points were minimal, the exchange fee for a 2 night stay is $79, and at check in we'll have to pay the $70/$79 housekeeping fees. At one resort the housekeeping fee is a little less than the other but it might just be a typo on RCI's part. You pay a pro-rated housekeeping fee for stays of less than a week. I checked out the prices of hotels then added up the fees and how much our maintenance fees are on the points i was going to use. The 2 night stays each came out to around what one night was going cost in a nice hotel or 2 nights in a basic okay hotel.

We're spoiled timeshare snobs; no way we wanted to spend 2 nights in a hotel, even a nice one! We're 74 and 76 but can still handle an 8-14 hour drive day. However we definitely want that second night to give us a full day to recover before we get back in the car, lol. I also checked out and selected those two resorts because of the areas they're in. Plus at both you park your car right in front of the unit. So not only safer but easier when unloading and reloading what we do have to bring in. We definitely wanted to avoid having to unload the entire car after a long day's drive. Not having to unload the.entire car means minimal reloading when we leave to get on the road quicker for the next long drive.

I pay for us to have the platinum benefits with RCI because I make enough use of the benefits to justify the additional expense. One of the benefits is an automatic extra year to use your points. The other benefits I use are the free holds, free ongoing searches, free upgrades (within 14 days of check in). Not as often the discount on the guest certificate fee, and discount on Last Call Weeks. The Last Call discount isn't much just a little more than the tax. Weeks owners don't get all the Platinum benefits that Points owner get. One that Weeks owners don't get is one of the ones I use a lot. Sorry, senior moment so I don't remember which one it is.

As an owner at a resort in the Vacation Village family of resorts, you get 2 Bonus Weeks each year. Like Last Call Weeks they don't require any points, just the exchange fee, and are within 45 days of the check in date. However there's more inventory available in the Bonus Weeks than there is in Last Call Weeks. Sometimes the exchange fee can be a little less too.

I know this is a long post and at times isn't entirely on topic. It's my hope that anyone who reads at least some of it comes away learning something helpful from it. Something more than they thought they might learn.
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I will add that if you enjoy multi-week stays, points let you book up to three weeks with a single exchange fee.
 
Can you add an RCI affiliated unit to points or does the deed need to say points?
 
Jan M. Thank you for your good information. I'm going to save it.
Brian, Of COURSE there was a charge! 4,999.00 just to change to points. (656.00 today, 187.00 a month for 10 years....or something.....)
I'm a senior citizen! 10 years would take me to my 80's. I declined the offer....
 
Can you add an RCI affiliated unit to points or does the deed need to say points?
If it's a points week you pay the $98 RCI fee to add it to your account. Make sure you write your RCI account number on the sales agreement and contract information sheet.

I've bought 6 Grandview points weeks and sold 3 of them. I used LT Transfers and in the sales agreement the seller lists the number of points the week gets and how many points the new owner will be getting. The 2 figures can differ because the current owner could have carried over some points or used some or all of the current year's points. On the sales agreement there's a part to fill out showing whether it's a fixed week or a points week.

From what I remember there isn't anything on the deed to indicate whether or not it's a points week.

If it's the only contract in the current owners account, they can take a picture of their account page that shows their use year, the current point balance, their annual allotment, and if there's points expiring.
 
Can you add an RCI affiliated unit to points or does the deed need to say points?
1.If you already own the unit, you can try to see if it can be deposited in points without an additional "conversion" fee. As I stated above, it is usually best just to buy a points unit if that is what you want.

2. If you are trying to purchase a unit and you want points, ensure that the unit is already in points. The current owner is already getting points. It that case you just initiate a transfer with RCI during the transaction. There are many high points generators for free which is why is isn't worth paying for conversion in option #1 above.
 
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There are many of high points generators for free which is why is isn't worth paying for conversion in option #1 above.

I forgot to point that out. It costs far less to just find a points week that someone else is selling, giving away for free, or just for the closing costs.

I want to emphasize this again. To get the most bang for your maintenance fee bucks, get something in the top point tiers. Afaik all the Vacation Village family of resorts have point tiers. I know Grandview is better than Vacation Village at Parkway. I'm not sure but I think Vacation Village at Williamsburg or The Colonies might be close to or could be better than Grandview for their top tier weeks value. Those two resorts have four bedroom units. Not sure if they have 3 bedroom units but i think one of them does.

The 2025 Grandview maintenance fees are $950 for all two bedroom weeks and $475 for all one bedroom weeks. If anyone knows what the 2025 maintenance fees are at VV at Williamsburg or The Colonies, please post them.
 
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The Colonies is $1120 for the 4 bedroom . I don't know how many points it has in RCI as my unit is in weeks and can be used in RCI or II.
 
I think The Colonies 4 bedroom lock off has 147,000 RCI points for a summer week.
 
I think The Colonies 4 bedroom lock off has 147,000 RCI points for a summer week.
One thing I am not sure if you are allowed to deposit your home week to another exchange such as II. Technically it should be possible but I’m not sure if the resort allows it.
 
I belong to II and deposit it thru the website. I never contact VV@The Colonies to do it.
 
I belong to II and deposit it thru the website. I never contact VV@The Colonies to do it.
Do you own Colonies in RCI points? It can be done that way if Colonies is not enrolled in RCI points but I don’t know if it can still be done if it’s in RCI points.
 
Yeah one advantage the weeks owners have is the flexiblity to deposit into multiple exchanges - RCI, II, SFX, 7Across, etc, you name it, as long as they accept your weeks. I am not sure if RCI points owners still have such flexibility. (If yes, I would love to get one Colonies 147k point week, which gives me points I need in some years, and trade in II other years.)
 
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