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VIDANTA SUCKS

PanaJack

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So I felt a need to share our experience with Vidanta.......

about 4yrs ago we purchased a Mayan Palace contract through the TUG Resale listings. At the time we understood that the family, no longer had a copy of their original contract, and was told by the intermediary (Broker) that it would not be a problem to get a copy from Vidanta, and provided a phone number to contact. Which we did once the sale was complete.

We've enjoyed 4 yrs of Vidanta, visiting Riviera Maya, and Nuevo Vallarta numerous times. We've been in awe of the services provided by the staff, and the beauty of both properties.

Now the current level of frustration started those 4yrs ago. Once we contacted Vidanta Member Services in 2019 requesting a copy of our Contract, we were informed that we would need to request it in person on property. So our next trip to Riviera Maya, we made an appointment with "Member Services" for a "Contract Review" please take note of those terms, as they seem to be quite interchangeable within the nightmare world of Vidanta. At that time we met with a guy who said he was Member Services and that we would be required to "upgrade" our existing 1999 contract at approximately $25,000, and he would not be able to get us a copy of our contract as it required us to have at least 72hrs remaining onsite, and the frustration continues.......

fast forward to 2023, we are currently onsite in Nuevo Vallarta, upon arrival we requested an "Contract Review" with "Member Services" with a very specific request of receiving a copy of our contract. At the point that they also offered a "free breakfast" we should have realized it would be yet another sales meeting.

Upon meeting with Martine, a personable nice guy, we were seated in the Bisto Bleu restaurant for a quick breakfast (after being left waiting for over 30 min for a menu, (yes they are all digital, but they had no placard to scan for the menu) and no waiter for even coffee or juice, even Martine became irritated. Finally getting some service, which we were only offered a single cup of coffee during the entire meal. Yes the general frustration from everyone in our group was being felt. Then onwards to their "Flash, ooohs, and awes" as Martine continued to attempt to impress us with their "Vision of Vidanta."

First thing once we were seated in their I'll call the sharks tank, he states that they will try to find a copy of our contract, but he can paraphrase the important parts. To which he begins by stating we have our 25yr renewal coming due next year (yes we knew this was coming) to which he starts by inflating the numbers, (at least 4 different times) and how if we would sign up for their legacy upgrade offer it would save us thousands over the course of the next 75yrs. Oh and it would relieve us of any further fee's associated with our Contract, and upgrade us to a "Grand Mayan" level of luxery with the option for free Cruises, Free Airline tickets, oh and discounts to their partner program in Hawaii, at a low cost of $18,000, to which they began negotiating down to $13,000. When we requested to think about the "one time offer" as we would be on property for 4 days yet, we were informed that this was a one time offer, and they could not hold it for the 4 days, so yes we declined.

At the culmination of this meeting we still did not have a copy of our contract, but Martine provided us with an email for customerservice@vidavactions.com to request a digital copy of our contract.

Now, with that in hand (note we'd already been down this path 4yrs prior - I did email them while we were still on property (NOTE: as of this writing we have 2 days left on property) the next morning we received a response stating we had to contact Member Services at 800-292-9446..... Of course now by now my frustration with them has reached a peak.

The first woman who I spoke with - I immediately asked to speak to a Supervisor, to which she promptly refused until she was able to get to the bottom of what I was calling about. I did warn her that I was not in a good mood as I'd already been jerked around, and that she should get her supervisor to speak with me first, and yet she refused. After rehashing all we'd been through already to just get a simple copy of our contract, she finally got a supervisor, who also stated was the Person in charge of Customer Service for Vidanta Member Services (I Call BS.) Now after yet rehashing the entire line of BS that we'd been given yet again - she states "we do not have a copy of old contracts" Hmmmmmmmm So I politely ask if they cannot prove that our contract exists, how do they think they can enforce any such contract? Did I mention the 25yr renewal? (NOTE: it has been noted in other threads here that it is an optional renewal, as their priority weeks roll over to RTU, and any and all Maintenance Fee's cease) Our 25yr renewal would be an approximate $7500. To which the "Vida Sales Guy Martine" tried to use as a threat against the $18,000 upgrade. Also noting that after the 25yrs any benefits that were associated with the original contract (read Legacy) would cease as well. Oh and the fact that the Mayan Palace would basically cease to exist within the next 5yrs.


Now per the "Supervisor" they could verbally go over said contract, even though they could not produce a copy as they do not have it on file anywhere. LOL

I gotta say I think we are finally at our breaking point with Vidanta, the fact that they can't even distinguish their own departments i.e. Member Services / Vida Sales as their own entities is kinda ridiculous, the fact that they cannot even keep a copy of a contract for which they want to use to threaten their own members with, yet even more ridiculous.

oh and dont bother with Profeco complaints - I was told here onsite by another member that his complaints against Vidanta to Profeco were met with a wall. Vidanta's deep pockets have basically bought Profeco's silence. (yes this is heresay but the fact that they can get away with all the stupidity that they do, must hold some truth to that rumor.)
 
I would finish out your contract and walk away.
 
Well - @PanaJack
That is quite a venting about Vida Sales tactics (& somewhat par for the course for them .)
In my opinion - Vidanta has very high quality resorts and does honor what is written in their contracts.

I assume your 2023 MF is about $ 1250 and your ownership is a 2 bedroom Mayan Palace
and the contract was originally sold in 1999.

Most of the contracts in that era seem pretty similar (IMO)

1) 25 year renewal at 5 x MF ( of current year)
2) Registered Week Renews as a Registered Week / MF is required annually.
3 ) There is a 6 month advanced booking window . This allows you to book into peak / snowbird season of the following year
(ie) July 1 2024 you can reserve any Jan. 2025 week --Aug. 1 2024 you can book any Feb. 2025 week
3) A optional use Vacation Fare is included . MF is paid if / when used . The booking window is 6 months [ except for reserving Feb. & March weeks- where it is 45 days ]
4) There is an every 5 year reno fee that is the cost of a MF **
5) Your 2 bedroom can be split into a 2 week stay for the MF cost You spend 1 week in a 1 bedroom & 1 week in the hotel room side.
Vida Sales used this feature as a sales tool when these contracts were sold. You can stay for 4 winter weeks if you split use the VF week for the last
two weeks in Jan. and split use the registered week for the first two weeks of Feb.
6) You MF has an increase cap . It is USA cpi +/- 3% for Mexican Inflation. [ later contracts have 5% listed ]]
7) Transfers to non family were 1 MF until after 2001 dated contracts. Note: [ this feature should remain after a 25 year renewal ]
8 ) You can deposit your week into RCI after paying the MF. A two bedroom should get about 30 - 35 Trading Power (TPU's) when deposited as 2 units.
( deposit as a 1 bedroom and a studio )

** [ note - If you renew at 25 years : it is likely you owe the reno fee + the 5 x MF ]

TUG members @pittle and / or @rpennisi may have copies of contracts of this era
My contract is a 25 year renewal but later so it has the MF on use only feature.

PS - They really want your registered week - newer contracts (since 2010 /11) do not renew as registered weeks
[ The 25 year renewal contracts were replaced by 10 year renewals with two additional weeks .After the first 10 years the
Registered Week goes away and you have two Residence Weeks ]
 
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@T-Dot-Traveller you are correct......

My venting is in response to the way they are treating a simple request, and the absolute lies about who is responsible, and which business unit it is that is speaking.

We've loved the Vidanta that we've seen in the past - Vida Sales on the other hand I do believe every single person whose dealt with them have some choice verbage to define their experience.

And yes our contract being a 1999 one, has the 5 and 25yr renewal - however what their "Member Service" rep (actually a VIDA Sales rep) stated to us was not the 5X MF but a 5+1+1 which did not make sense. We do have the 2br lockout unit, which has served us quite perfectly - 3 adult kids plus US - so we book 2 rooms for a week and can vacation together. We have not utilized any trading in or out of other programs, as we consider ourselves quite new to this still.

And yes between yourself, @Plittle and @Eric we've learned quite a bit about the inner workings and nuances of Vidanta over the last few years.

Once we return to the states I do plan on contacting Member Services and seeing how to get some of their mess straightened out - and eliminating the possibilities of dealing with Vida Sales further.

Thank you for the information and assistance, it is always quite welcome.
 
@T-Dot-Traveller you are correct......

My venting is in response to the way they are treating a simple request, and the absolute lies about who is responsible, and which business unit it is that is speaking.

We've loved the Vidanta that we've seen in the past - Vida Sales on the other hand I do believe every single person whose dealt with them have some choice verbage to define their experience.

And yes our contract being a 1999 one, has the 5 and 25yr renewal - however what their "Member Service" rep (actually a VIDA Sales rep) stated to us was not the 5X MF but a 5+1+1 which did not make sense. We do have the 2br lockout unit, which has served us quite perfectly - 3 adult kids plus US - so we book 2 rooms for a week and can vacation together. We have not utilized any trading in or out of other programs, as we consider ourselves quite new to this still.

And yes between yourself, @Plittle and @Eric we've learned quite a bit about the inner workings and nuances of Vidanta over the last few years.

Once we return to the states I do plan on contacting Member Services and seeing how to get some of their mess straightened out - and eliminating the possibilities of dealing with Vida Sales further.

Thank you for the information and assistance, it is always quite welcome.
I went through all the steps earlier this year to get copies of my two MP contracts that I bought on Ebay back in 2007. I had to request copies from member services. I did this in person at member services last January in NV, and was told to make the request in writing to member services. I then got letters from them, one for each contract that had to be signed and sent PDF file to them with a photo of my driver's license attached to the signed letter. These were for contracts that originally were signed in 2001 and 2004. The original prices were $17,010 (2001 for 2 bedroom suite) and $12,960 (2004 for one bedroom suite). They are 25 year contracts, then 5X MF for renewal, mandatory MF each year, and each has VF week if wanted.
 
Sorry that I am late in responding. The past week has been crazy busy and I have not looked at TUG. I have been busy getting my house ready for Christmas because I leave Saturday for PV and will be there 3 weeks. I like to have the house Christmas ready when I get home the first week of December.

Basically, you have a Registered week and a Vacation Fair week (the newer contracts use Residence weeks for the same as VF.) Newer contracts however, drop the Registered weeks at the 10 year mark. That is not true of your contract.

I do have two 1999 contracts in my oldest notebook. One is for Sea Garden (February 1999) and one is for Mayan Palace (November 1999) when we upgraded our Sea Garden to MP. They are exactly the same except for the words Sea Garden and Mayan Palace. This was when it was the resorts were Vidafel. If you do not get one from Vidanta, I can scan my MP one and email it to you via the conversation section of TUG the only page that has our names on it is the page with the receipt of payment. The Sea Garden one is the same. No initials. We also bought numerous MP weeks on ebay and none of those came with contract copies, but only one had the different transfer fee amount.

I also have a contract for Grand Mayan (April 2006) when the resorts were Grupo Mayan. It is also the same as it was before they started the 10 year renewal program.

I now have a Grand Luxxe contract that I will be renewing in January for 10 years and hope that I live long enough to go 10 more years as I am fortunate enough to have the Senior Certificate and will be going free after paying the renewal fee. I am counting on friends or family to go with me even if I am in a wheelchair. :) I can sit on a balcony while they play. This was our first year to use the Sr. Certs and we went to Acapulco GM and Puerto Penasco GM earlier this year. I will be at the Grand Luxxe for Thanksgiving with our son, daughter-in-law and grandson.
 
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One item that I don't seem to have mentioned in my previous rant above - Does anyone know or have you heard about Vidanta's plans to do away with Mayan Palace? The Vida-Sales guy kept making a point to mention how in the next couple of years - Mayan Palace would not exist except in 3 locations total.
 
One item that I don't seem to have mentioned in my previous rant above - Does anyone know or have you heard about Vidanta's plans to do away with Mayan Palace? The Vida-Sales guy kept making a point to mention how in the next couple of years - Mayan Palace would not exist except in 3 locations total.
It was a sales guy .........The goal is to panic you into upgrading & thereby padding his bank account.

Your resale Mayan Palace is a Right to Use Contract & it has a registered week every year. If you renew at 25 years it renews as a yearly registered week.
If you pay your MF & Vidanta had no Mayan Palace they would still have to give you a week's accommodation under the RTU .

I once met a couple who had taken over her dad's 1980's Vidafel Sea Garden Puerto Vallarta Marina contract. They were at the
Mayan Palace PV Marina under the RTU concept / contract .

FYI - when Grupo Mayan stopped selling Sea Garden contracts to gringos around 2010 - they continued to sell SG to
Mexican Nationals ..........
 
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What a hassle. For those who may be in OP's shoes, be sure to get a copy of the contract prior to closing your purchase.
 
Sorry that I am late in responding. The past week has been crazy busy and I have not looked at TUG. I have been busy getting my house ready for Christmas because I leave Saturday for PV and will be there 3 weeks. I like to have the house Christmas ready when I get home the first week of December.

Basically, you have a Registered week and a Vacation Fair week (the newer contracts use Residence weeks for the same as VF.) Newer contracts however, drop the Registered weeks at the 10 year mark. That is not true of your contract.

I do have two 1999 contracts in my oldest notebook. One is for Sea Garden (February 1999) and one is for Mayan Palace (November 1999) when we upgraded our Sea Garden to MP. They are exactly the same except for the words Sea Garden and Mayan Palace. This was when it was the resorts were Vidafel. If you do not get one from Vidanta, I can scan my MP one and email it to you via the conversation section of TUG the only page that has our names on it is the page with the receipt of payment. The Sea Garden one is the same. No initials. We also bought numerous MP weeks on ebay and none of those came with contract copies, but only one had the different transfer fee amount.

I also have a contract for Grand Mayan (April 2006) when the resorts were Grupo Mayan. It is also the same as it was before they started the 10 year renewal program.

I now have a Grand Luxxe contract that I will be renewing in January for 10 years and hope that I live long enough to go 10 more years as I am fortunate enough to have the Senior Certificate and will be going free after paying the renewal fee. I am counting on friends or family to go with me even if I am in a wheelchair. :) I can sit on a balcony while they play. This was our first year to use the Sr. Certs and we went to Acapulco GM and Puerto Penasco GM earlier this year. I will be at the Grand Luxxe for Thanksgiving with our son, daughter-in-law and grandson.
Hello! I also bought a 25 year Sea Garden Contract in 1999, expiring May of 2024. Someone at PV told my spouse we were one of about three with these contracts still extant, so its me, you, and someone else, LOL. Do you still have a copy of your contract you'd be willing to share?

I've got one...somewhere, lol, but putting my hands on it will take some time. We have had a GREAT run at the Sea Garden, between Acapulco early on and PV since Acapulco, plus great RCI trips on Tradewinds, Hawaii, South Africa, other Mexican resorts, LV, and more, as the lockoff unit deposts surprisingly well point wise and we started at such a low maintenance rate. We bought the supposedly "used" contract in 1999 for $7600, and thinking about upgrading or renewing (5 x our current maintenance of just less than 1K) so still good deal. We won't even be around for 25 years, but could gift to family, and the beauty of my contract was that I could "walk away from it" at any point. This was IN my contract, which the very Vidanta sales people denies until I tell them to check my contract. What I'm not certain of is whether they allowed me to "pen" that in, or if it was actually in those old contracts. Can you help?

I'm also wondering if this contract has any resale value and what it is if so. Maybe not more than the renewal fee though I"m not sure?? When I deposit the 1BR and hotel room separately I get an astounding 44 points, enough for a 2 BR in Hawaii when I can snag one, and this might be the main reason I would renew given the cost of lodging in Hawaii. Any thoughts welcome. I know the resale market is MUCH cheaper, thought I don't know how much, but have heard that newer contracts are very, very expensive to transfer the membership. I'm curious about resale specifications in our contracts. Thank you for any help!! By the way, I believe we have a 3x1 (1 registered week and 2 vacation fare weeks).
 
Sorry that I am late in responding. The past week has been crazy busy and I have not looked at TUG. I have been busy getting my house ready for Christmas because I leave Saturday for PV and will be there 3 weeks. I like to have the house Christmas ready when I get home the first week of December.

Basically, you have a Registered week and a Vacation Fair week (the newer contracts use Residence weeks for the same as VF.) Newer contracts however, drop the Registered weeks at the 10 year mark. That is not true of your contract.

I do have two 1999 contracts in my oldest notebook. One is for Sea Garden (February 1999) and one is for Mayan Palace (November 1999) when we upgraded our Sea Garden to MP. They are exactly the same except for the words Sea Garden and Mayan Palace. This was when it was the resorts were Vidafel. If you do not get one from Vidanta, I can scan my MP one and email it to you via the conversation section of TUG the only page that has our names on it is the page with the receipt of payment. The Sea Garden one is the same. No initials. We also bought numerous MP weeks on ebay and none of those came with contract copies, but only one had the different transfer fee amount.

I also have a contract for Grand Mayan (April 2006) when the resorts were Grupo Mayan. It is also the same as it was before they started the 10 year renewal program.

I now have a Grand Luxxe contract that I will be renewing in January for 10 years and hope that I live long enough to go 10 more years as I am fortunate enough to have the Senior Certificate and will be going free after paying the renewal fee. I am counting on friends or family to go with me even if I am in a wheelchair. :) I can sit on a balcony while they play. This was our first year to use the Sr. Certs and we went to Acapulco GM and Puerto Penasco GM earlier this year. I will be at the Grand Luxxe for Thanksgiving with our son, daughter-in-law and grandson.
What is the Senior Certificate???
 
It was a sales guy .........The goal is to panic you into upgrading & thereby padding his bank account.

Your resale Mayan Palace is a Right to Use Contract & it has a registered week every year. If you renew at 25 years it renews as a yearly registered week.
If you pay your MF & Vidanta had no Mayan Palace they would still have to give you a week's accommodation under the RTU .

I once met a couple who had taken over her dad's 1980's Vidafel Sea Garden Puerto Vallarta Marina contract. They were at the
Mayan Palace PV Marina under the RTU concept / contract .

FYI - when Grupo Mayan stopped selling Sea Garden contracts to gringos around 2010 - they continued to sell SG to
Mexican Nationals ..........
I talked to a lady in the pool at Sea Garden a few years ago who supposedly had her Diamond contract "purchased" or "transferred" by Vidanta which was why she bought a Sea Garden contract. SO I guess once in a while they still "do" Sea Garden for someone who says "no" long enough??
 
I talked to a lady in the pool at Sea Garden a few years ago who supposedly had her Diamond contract "purchased" or "transferred" by Vidanta which was why she bought a Sea Garden contract. SO I guess once in a while they still "do" Sea Garden for someone who says "no" long enough??
PS I always wondered if that really got her out of the Diamond contracts, which were absolute nightmare contracts or if that was just a scam. (My mom had a Diamond contract, unfortunately)
 
Do any of you know what would happen to our Sea Garden contracts if they refurbed Sea Garden location to a higher level property? I love, love the beach side location. Yes, I've stayed in the fancy places inside the fence, and they are LOVELY, but there is nothing like the sound of the ocean through your window.
 
Hello! I also bought a 25 year Sea Garden Contract in 1999, expiring May of 2024. Someone at PV told my spouse we were one of about three with these contracts still extant, so its me, you, and someone else, LOL. Do you still have a copy of your contract you'd be willing to share?

I've got one...somewhere, lol, but putting my hands on it will take some time. We have had a GREAT run at the Sea Garden, between Acapulco early on and PV since Acapulco, plus great RCI trips on Tradewinds, Hawaii, South Africa, other Mexican resorts, LV, and more, as the lockoff unit deposts surprisingly well point wise and we started at such a low maintenance rate. We bought the supposedly "used" contract in 1999 for $7600, and thinking about upgrading or renewing (5 x our current maintenance of just less than 1K) so still good deal. We won't even be around for 25 years, but could gift to family, and the beauty of my contract was that I could "walk away from it" at any point. This was IN my contract, which the very Vidanta sales people denies until I tell them to check my contract. What I'm not certain of is whether they allowed me to "pen" that in, or if it was actually in those old contracts. Can you help?

I'm also wondering if this contract has any resale value and what it is if so. Maybe not more than the renewal fee though I"m not sure?? When I deposit the 1BR and hotel room separately I get an astounding 44 points, enough for a 2 BR in Hawaii when I can snag one, and this might be the main reason I would renew given the cost of lodging in Hawaii. Any thoughts welcome. I know the resale market is MUCH cheaper, thought I don't know how much, but have heard that newer contracts are very, very expensive to transfer the membership. I'm curious about resale specifications in our contracts. Thank you for any help!! By the way, I believe we have a 3x1 (1 registered week and 2 vacation fare weeks).

What is the Senior Certificate???
It was something that was available to owners in late 2006-mid-2008. You had to go to Member Services and sign up for it. Supposedly, you had to be an owner before November 2006 to be eligible, but they added it to many contracts for about 4 years. It states that you only pay 1/2 MF for a week when you are 75, and no MF when you are 77, for the rest of your life. You do have to pay the Renovation fees or Renewal fees when due. I turn 77 in January and will pay for my 10 year renewal. Then I can go with no MF for 10 years. Since my "kids" were not impressed with NV because of how hard and expensive it was to get out and about often, we will not be going back there or to RM. With my 2 GL 2-bderoom units, I can stay at a MP, GM, or GB for a total of 4-weeks by using 2-2bedroom units and 2-1 bedroom units at no charge. We like the location of the MP Marina, Cabo San Jose GM, and Puerto Penasco GM, so those may become our spots in the future. Acapulco is our for a few years getting it put back together.

This year, we stayed at the GM in Acapulco for a week and a week at the GM in Puerto Penasco using 1 of our GL weeks at no charge, because my husband was 77. I had to pay half price for the 2-bedroom GL because I was not 77 yet. We really liked Acapulco, but there were no direct flights there, so it took 17 hours to get there from the time we left the house and got to the resort. We had a 3 hour delay in Mexico City. The last time we had a direct flight from Phoenix and it was only 6 hours from the time we left our house until we were at the resort.

I will send you a copy of my 1999 Sea Garden contract via private message.
 
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It was a sales guy .........The goal is to panic you into upgrading & thereby padding his bank account.

Your resale Mayan Palace is a Right to Use Contract & it has a registered week every year. If you renew at 25 years it renews as a yearly registered week.
If you pay your MF & Vidanta had no Mayan Palace they would still have to give you a week's accommodation under the RTU .

I once met a couple who had taken over her dad's 1980's Vidafel Sea Garden Puerto Vallarta Marina contract. They were at the
Mayan Palace PV Marina under the RTU concept / contract .

FYI - when Grupo Mayan stopped selling Sea Garden contracts to gringos around 2010 - they continued to sell SG to
Mexican Nationals ..........
I think..but I'm not sure.. that they sold SG for much less to Mexican Nationals. Do you know if this is true?
 
Well - @PanaJack
That is quite a venting about Vida Sales tactics (& somewhat par for the course for them .)
In my opinion - Vidanta has very high quality resorts and does honor what is written in their contracts.

I assume your 2023 MF is about $ 1250 and your ownership is a 2 bedroom Mayan Palace
and the contract was originally sold in 1999.

Most of the contracts in that era seem pretty similar (IMO)

1) 25 year renewal at 5 x MF ( of current year)
2) Registered Week Renews as a Registered Week / MF is required annually.
3 ) There is a 6 month advanced booking window . This allows you to book into peak / snowbird season of the following year
(ie) July 1 2024 you can reserve any Jan. 2025 week --Aug. 1 2024 you can book any Feb. 2025 week
3) A optional use Vacation Fare is included . MF is paid if / when used . The booking window is 6 months [ except for reserving Feb. & March weeks- where it is 45 days ]
4) There is an every 5 year reno fee that is the cost of a MF **
5) Your 2 bedroom can be split into a 2 week stay for the MF cost You spend 1 week in a 1 bedroom & 1 week in the hotel room side.
Vida Sales used this feature as a sales tool when these contracts were sold. You can stay for 4 winter weeks if you split use the VF week for the last
two weeks in Jan. and split use the registered week for the first two weeks of Feb.
6) You MF has an increase cap . It is USA cpi +/- 3% for Mexican Inflation. [ later contracts have 5% listed ]]
7) Transfers to non family were 1 MF until after 2001 dated contracts. Note: [ this feature should remain after a 25 year renewal ]
8 ) You can deposit your week into RCI after paying the MF. A two bedroom should get about 30 - 35 Trading Power (TPU's) when deposited as 2 units.
( deposit as a 1 bedroom and a studio )

** [ note - If you renew at 25 years : it is likely you owe the reno fee + the 5 x MF ]

TUG members @pittle and / or @rpennisi may have copies of contracts of this era
My contract is a 25 year renewal but later so it has the MF on use only feature.

PS - They really want your registered week - newer contracts (since 2010 /11) do not renew as registered weeks
[ The 25 year renewal contracts were replaced by 10 year renewals with two additional weeks .After the first 10 years the
Registered Week goes away and you have two Residence Weeks ]
Hi T-Dot. You are quite knowledgable about the old contracts, though you say you don't have one, did you used to have one and upgraded? My friend has upgraded a couple times and now has Grand Luxe contract with the 10 year expiring Registered Week. He hasn't been able to use the two "Residence Weeks" for reasons that I don't understand. Can you explain these weeks?
 
It was something that was available to owners in late 2006-mid-2008. You had to go to Member Services and sign up for it. Supposedly, you had to be an owner before November 2006 to be eligible, but they added it to many contracts for about 4 years. It states that you only pay 1/2 MF for a week when you are 75, and no MF when you are 77, for the rest of your life. You do have to pay the Renovation fees or Renewal fees when due. I turn 77 in January and will pay for my 10 year renewal. Then I can go with no MF for 10 years. Since my "kids" were not impressed with NV because of how hard and expensive it was to get out and about often, we will not be going back there or to RM. With my 2 GL 2-bderoom units, I can stay at a MP, GM, or GB for a total of 4-weeks by using 2-2bedroom units and 2-1 bedroom units at no charge. We like the location of the MP Marina, Cabo San Jose GM, and Puerto Penasco GM, so those may become our spots in the future. Acapulco is our for a few years getting it put back together.

This year, we stayed at the GM in Acapulco for a week and a week at the GM in Puerto Penasco using 1 of our GL weeks at no charge, because my husband was 77. I had to pay half price for the 2-bedroom GL because I was not 77 yet. We really liked Acapulco, but there were no direct flights there, so it took 17 hours to get there from the time we left the house and got to the resort. We had a 3 hour delay in Mexico City. The last time we had a direct flight from Phoenix and it was only 6 hours from the time we left our house until we were at the resort.

I will send you a copy of my 1999 Sea Garden contract via private message.
Phyllis, I am finding your information super interesting, thank you for sharing. It's hard to believe these 25 years have almost passed...what a lot of life between then and now! Senior certificate...amazing. Good for you!!! We are getting closer to the age that this would help lol but still a ways away. I guess I probably missed out anyhow. Spouse traveled to NV without me just recently and was offered a 20 year contract (about 15K) ) to upgrade my SG contract to a Legacy Loft with Park rights which also has the advantage of being able to go to the other locations, so I appreciate you mentioning these other locations specifically. I can't really get a feel for whether an upgrade is worth the $ compared to simply renewing SG contract for only 6K. We've stayed several times with friend with GL contract, so I know those lofts and 1 BR buildings very nice but not sure about apples and oranges as is unbuilt. Or if I should just start looking at VRBO, etc.. Spouse, brother, and older aunt had an ocean view at SG and had an amazing time. We had not stayed at SG for a very long while. We used to LOVE Acapulco...liked having the full 2BR and the water and waves were amaziing. But...it had become less safe than PV many years ago, (we used to like to go into town to eat and shop and walk). Now with the storm it's out anyhow. At any rate, love your spirit and hope to be doing as well in another 15 years. :)
 
Phyllis, I am finding your information super interesting, thank you for sharing. It's hard to believe these 25 years have almost passed...what a lot of life between then and now! Senior certificate...amazing. Good for you!!! We are getting closer to the age that this would help lol but still a ways away. I guess I probably missed out anyhow. Spouse traveled to NV without me just recently and was offered a 20 year contract (about 15K) ) to upgrade my SG contract to a Legacy Loft with Park rights which also has the advantage of being able to go to the other locations, so I appreciate you mentioning these other locations specifically. I can't really get a feel for whether an upgrade is worth the $ compared to simply renewing SG contract for only 6K. We've stayed several times with friend with GL contract, so I know those lofts and 1 BR buildings very nice but not sure about apples and oranges as is unbuilt. Or if I should just start looking at VRBO, etc.. Spouse, brother, and older aunt had an ocean view at SG and had an amazing time. We had not stayed at SG for a very long while. We used to LOVE Acapulco...liked having the full 2BR and the water and waves were amaziing. But...it had become less safe than PV many years ago, (we used to like to go into town to eat and shop and walk). Now with the storm it's out anyhow. At any rate, love your spirit and hope to be doing as well in another 15 years. :)
PS what's the scoop on RM?
 
Well - @PanaJack
That is quite a venting about Vida Sales tactics (& somewhat par for the course for them .)
In my opinion - Vidanta has very high quality resorts and does honor what is written in their contracts.

I assume your 2023 MF is about $ 1250 and your ownership is a 2 bedroom Mayan Palace
and the contract was originally sold in 1999.

Most of the contracts in that era seem pretty similar (IMO)

1) 25 year renewal at 5 x MF ( of current year)
2) Registered Week Renews as a Registered Week / MF is required annually.
3 ) There is a 6 month advanced booking window . This allows you to book into peak / snowbird season of the following year
(ie) July 1 2024 you can reserve any Jan. 2025 week --Aug. 1 2024 you can book any Feb. 2025 week
3) A optional use Vacation Fare is included . MF is paid if / when used . The booking window is 6 months [ except for reserving Feb. & March weeks- where it is 45 days ]
4) There is an every 5 year reno fee that is the cost of a MF **
5) Your 2 bedroom can be split into a 2 week stay for the MF cost You spend 1 week in a 1 bedroom & 1 week in the hotel room side.
Vida Sales used this feature as a sales tool when these contracts were sold. You can stay for 4 winter weeks if you split use the VF week for the last
two weeks in Jan. and split use the registered week for the first two weeks of Feb.
6) You MF has an increase cap . It is USA cpi +/- 3% for Mexican Inflation. [ later contracts have 5% listed ]]
7) Transfers to non family were 1 MF until after 2001 dated contracts. Note: [ this feature should remain after a 25 year renewal ]
8 ) You can deposit your week into RCI after paying the MF. A two bedroom should get about 30 - 35 Trading Power (TPU's) when deposited as 2 units.
( deposit as a 1 bedroom and a studio )

** [ note - If you renew at 25 years : it is likely you owe the reno fee + the 5 x MF ]

TUG members @pittle and / or @rpennisi may have copies of contracts of this era
My contract is a 25 year renewal but later so it has the MF on use only feature.

PS - They really want your registered week - newer contracts (since 2010 /11) do not renew as registered weeks
[ The 25 year renewal contracts were replaced by 10 year renewals with two additional weeks .After the first 10 years the
Registered Week goes away and you have two Residence Weeks
PS What does the statement "They really want your registered week" mean? The new 20 year contract upgrade offered to my spouse had four registered weeks in it, which surprised me. Another nice thing was that we could have up to four owners listed on the contract. I need to find the clause you referereced in my 1999 contract about transfers to non-family for 1 MF. What is the current policy on new contracts or those buying resale contracts? I'd be curious if I could desposit a 2 BR lockoff unit from SG rather than a max 2 occupancy loft which I assume carries "less" points.
 
I am somewhat surprised that they offered your husband a new contract without you there, but Sales will do anything! I am not sure that he could actually put your name on the contract without your signature once you got to the person who does all the paperwork telling him that you could not be a co-owner. But, I am not sure, as I know that they would have let us put our kids on there when we first bought and even when we upgraded to the GL. When I talked to Member services 2 weeks ago, I was told that I could not remove my husband's name without two documents. If I did not, I could not make any changes to our contract. I had one with me, but do not plan to send them the other one, so that I now have a good excuse not to attend update meetings.

New contracts generally last only 10 years, then you renew. they also generally have the no MF unless you go. The older contracts like you have have with the 25 year renewal. I should have highlighted the pertinent information in the contract I sent you.

RM is nice, but like NV, you are pretty much stuck there. You have to take taxis to Playa del Carmen or Puerto Morales for off-site restaurants or shopping. You can take a ferry from either to Cozumel for a day. We have done that. The Mayan Palace pool is very nice and they have quite a few palapas on thebeach. The water there is not great for swimming or playing in. There has been a lot of seaweed there and it is really smelly. They work on it continuously. The buildings are only 3 stories high, so no ocean views. The MP units are a long walk to the beach now. They do have shuttles. They just built a large water park that you pay for daily use. There is a Cirque show that is good if you have never been to before. It is priced similar to the ones that are in the US.
 
I too was very shocked to know that they supposedly allowed this also...I don't know if it would have gone through or not, though I saw here somewhere of in sales salesperson forging a needed signature on a sales contract. Yikes. It bothered me quite a lot, since this was "mine", done some years before marriage and adding my spouse to status of co-owner. It doesn't feel like it could be legal, either without both signatures or at least primary owner signature. THX for the word on RM. Have you been to the new PV "amusement park"? I'm curious what it is like. I go to Mexico for the beach air, not "entertainment", but as I entertain the notion of renewal, thoughts go to nieces and nephews and others who might really like it on a more "daily" basis. It was $2100 in the contract frights to stay at the park tower, paying a once a week only park entrace fee per guest for "all you can go", and "everlasting gondola" rides.
 
I too was very shocked to know that they supposedly allowed this also...I don't know if it would have gone through or not, though I saw here somewhere of in sales salesperson forging a needed signature on a sales contract. Yikes. It bothered me quite a lot, since this was "mine", done some years before marriage and adding my spouse to status of co-owner. It doesn't feel like it could be legal, either without both signatures or at least primary owner signature. THX for the word on RM. Have you been to the new PV "amusement park"? I'm curious what it is like. I go to Mexico for the beach air, not "entertainment", but as I entertain the notion of renewal, thoughts go to nieces and nephews and others who might really like it on a more "daily" basis. It was $2100 in the contract frights to stay at the park tower, paying a once a week only park entrace fee per guest for "all you can go", and "everlasting gondola" rides.
We did not choose to see the Park on our recent trip to NV. It is pretty pathetic by US standards in my opinion from what you see driving in and along the highway. My grandson was not impressed with what he saw at NV 2 weeks ago just driving past. He thought it was a Kiddie Park. The old amusement park in Myrtle Beach was more impressive when we took our kids 40 years ago when they were in elementary school. My kids loved Bush Gardens in Williamsburg, VA, Worlds of Fun in Kansas City, and Six Flags in St. Louis as teens. This one is nothing like any of those, a much smaller scale.

The roller coaster that is almost completed looks about the one at a small amusement park here in Phoenix by an old mall. They only had the Flower Drop thing and a Ferris Wheel with enclosed baskets operating. I guess they had some food places. I was not going to pay $50 pp to go see it and ride the Gondola. and 2 rides. That price included food and drinks. I am sure the prices will go up once they complete the park.

Our only grandchild was 13 or 14 when they started talking about the Park and is now 24-1/2, and the park is still not open, We knew he would not be interested every time they tried to pitch it to us. So, I have not paid much attention to the Parks deal since we had no intention of ever going. It is my understanding that contracts in the Parks area do not get to stay there all 10 years of the contract but get discounted rates to go to it. Others could give you more information.
 
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