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Very disappointing review of MVC’s Surfwatch on tripadvisor.com

I’m not so quick to discredit or dismiss the original TripAdvisor reviewer.

At the outset, as I said earlier, we leave reviews of good and bad businesses, and make a special effort to pay special recognition of businesses and employees that excel. I’m not bashful about leaving critical reviews, and when I have/do, they are for the benefit of future patrons, and, the affected business will have already heard from me. I should point out, that we frequently consult a variety of review sites, for consumers, when deciding upon a hotel/resort/restaurant/business/contractor, even physicians, and I appreciate consumers who take the time to contribute to these sites. I recognize that each of the sites has the potential for fraud. We contribute to these sites to assist other consumers, not to exercise rage.

In the case of SurfWatch, the leadership, there, has heard from us in the past, as has MVC Corporate. I regret not having shared our comments, in the past, with the HOA Board, but, we do that, now, to the extent that we make it past MVC’s filter, that may limit what HOA Board members see or don’t see.

Regarding the original TripAdvisor reviewer, I agree that a photo of a golf cart in a “Compact” parking space, denigrates the credibility of of the reviewer, and his/her/their claim of golf carts being parked in handicapped parking spaces. I wonder, if the reviewer posted the wrong picture, and not the intended picture of a golf cart in a handicapped parking space? In fact, the golf cart IS a compact vehicle, just as the signage states on the parking space. However, we have personally experienced grossly inadequate housekeeping, upon our arrival/check-in at several MVC resorts, and we have immediately taken action, as soon as we have discovered the unacceptable (housekeeping) performance. At several MVC resorts, I know that the Housekeeping Department is comprised of some percentage of outsourced, outside contractors, and we’ve discovered very poor housekeeping at some of those resorts, and even poorer Quality Assurance by the MVC Housekeeping Supervisor, who is supposed to inspect a cleaned villa, before it is turned over, for occupancy/check-in. So, I find it entirely plausible that the original TripAdvisor reviewer encountered the issues that he/she/they described.

Regarding the trash stacked up in Common Areas, at SurfWatch, we’ve experienced that, as well. In fact, one day, we called the Front Desk, alerted them of the issue, in the Common Areas, and despite our call to the Front Desk, at 1 PM, the garbage was not collected/cleaned up, until the next day.

I believe the Root Causes are (1) guests who have varying levels of decency and responsibility, (2) poor on-site leadership/management, and (3) employees/contractors who walk past garbage/waste/refuse, and don’t pick it up, or clean it up. I am reminded of a recent experience in an outpatient surgical center. Instead of nurses, who, upon a request, would say, “I’ll let your nurse know,” each of the nurses who cared for me, performed like high performing team members, responded to my few requests with kindness, professionalism, and efficiency, and not one nurse told me that they’d let my nurse know, they responded to my very few requests, even though they were not “my nurse;” in fact, I got the impression that the nurses considered themselves to be every patient’s nurse, and there was none of that, old school, “I’ll let your nurse know.” You can be sure that I left a glowing review of that outpatient surgical center, on several websites, and that I wrote the senior leadership of that hospital, to share with them, my experience, and to praise their staff, and the professionalism, kindness, quality of care, and efficiency of the surgical center.

Personally, I believe the observations of the original TripAdvisor reviewer. I wish he/she/they indicated what action they took, and what the resort’s response. was. But, I do not believe that it is the nature of TripAdvisor Reviews to typically include that mention, and there, certainly, is no structure for TripAdvisor reviews.

I maintain that Marriott Vacation Club is 40+ years old, and should be operating like a High Efficiency Organization. Any failure to do that, in my opinion, is a failure of MVC’s/MVW’s senior leadership, and at resorts with HOA Boards, a failure of the HOA Board to manager their management company.
 
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I’m not so quick to discredit or dismiss the original TripAdvisor reviewer.

At the outset, as I said earlier, we leave reviews of good and bad businesses, and make a special effort to pay special recognition of businesses and employees that excel. I’m not bashful about leaving critical reviews, and when I have/do, they are for the benefit of future patrons, and, the affected business will have already heard from me. I should point out, that we frequently consult a variety of review sites, for consumers, when deciding upon a hotel/resort/restaurant/business/contractor, even physicians, and I appreciate consumers who take the time to contribute to these sites. I recognize that each of the sites has the potential for fraud. We contribute to these sites to assist other consumers, not to exercise rage.

In the case of SurfWatch, the leadership, there, has heard from us in the past, as has MVC Corporate. I regret not having shared our comments, in the past, with the HOA Board, but, we do that, now, to the extent that we make it past MVC’s filter, that may limit what HOA Board members see or don’t see.

Regarding the original TripAdvisor reviewer, I agree that a photo of a golf cart in a “Compact” parking space, denigrates the credibility of of the reviewer, and his/her/their claim of golf carts being parked in handicapped parking spaces. I wonder, if the reviewer posted the wrong picture, and not the intended picture of a golf cart in a handicapped parking space? In fact, the golf cart IS a compact vehicle, just as the signage states on the parking space. However, we have personally experienced grossly inadequate housekeeping, upon our arrival/check-in at several MVC resorts, and we have immediately taken action, as soon as we have discovered the unacceptable (housekeeping) performance. At several MVC resorts, I know that the Housekeeping Department is comprised of some percentage of outsourced, outside contractors, and we’ve discovered very poor housekeeping at some of those resorts, and even poorer Quality Assurance by the MVC Housekeeping Supervisor, who is supposed to inspect a cleaned villa, before it is turned over, for occupancy/check-in. So, I find it entirely plausible that the original TripAdvisor reviewer encountered the issues that he/she/they described.

Regarding the trash stacked up in Common Areas, at SurfWatch, we’ve experienced that, as well. In fact, one day, we called the Front Desk, alerted them of the issue, in the Common Areas, and despite our call to the Front Desk, at 1 PM, the garbage was not collected/cleaned up, until the next day.

I believe the Root Causes are (1) guests who have varying levels of decency and responsibility, (2) poor on-site leadership/management, and (3) employees/contractors who walk past garbage/waste/refuse, and don’t pick it up, or clean it up. I am reminded of a recent experience in an outpatient surgical center. Instead of nurses, who, upon a request, would say, “I’ll let your nurse know,” each of the nurses who cared for me, performed like high performing team members, responded to my few requests with kindness, professionalism, and efficiency, and not one nurse told me that they’d let my nurse know, they responded to my very few requests, even though they were not “my nurse;” in fact, I got the impression that the nurses considered themselves to be every patient’s nurse, and there was none of that, old school, “I’ll let your nurse know.” You can be sure that I left a glowing review of that outpatient surgical center, on several websites, and that I wrote the senior leadership of that hospital, to share with them, my experience, and to praise their staff, and the professionalism, kindness, quality of care, and efficiency of the surgical center.

Personally, I believe the observations of the original TripAdvisor reviewer. I wish he/she/they indicated what action they took, and what the resort’s response. was. But, I do not believe that it is the nature of TripAdvisor Reviews to typically include that mention, and there, certainly, is no structure for TripAdvisor reviews.

I maintain that Marriott Vacation Club is 40+ years old, and should be operating like a High Efficiency Organization. Any failure to do that, in my opinion, is a failure of MVC’s/MVW’s senior leadership, and at resorts with HOA Boards, a failure of the HOA Board to manager their management company.
Would you include Hilton, Holiday Inns and Westgate Resort’s in your last paragraph.
 
Would you include Hilton, Holiday Inns and Westgate Resort’s in your last paragraph.
I certainly would in the places I experienced it. I like Hilton well enough, but haven't really had issues in their timeshares to mention. Or at least not ones I could realistically expect management to do something about during a week stay - some would require getting in parts or service people who apparently are very slow to respond lately (and TBH it's anyone trying to get such services), others would require some major work on the subflooring or perhaps a gut and rebuild - IDK how you fix those in situ. Well - OTOH I have started avoiding Hilton brand hotels - not all their brands, just the specific Hilton ones. For supposedly being a flagship brand, I've found many more of those pretty run-down and disappointing for the prices they charge. And who the heck knows what benefit you're supposed to get. I think I'll be moving to DoubleTree when I can after perusing Wikipedia to try and make sense of the ever expanding brand portfolio.
 
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Would you include Hilton, Holiday Inns and Westgate Resort’s in your last paragraph.

We've never stayed at a hotel or resort managed by one of those companies. We are loyal to, first and foremost, Marriott, then the former Starwood/Westin, and Disney Vacation Club. I can say this about Marriott, based largely on the representations that were made to us, now, 40+ years ago, when we purchased our first Marriott timeshare, "we're the Marriott that you've come to know and love." At that time, MORI was data mining Marriott's Honored Guest Awards members, to market MORI, so we were brand loyal to Marriott. Hence, I hold MVC to a high bar, which they created, and have regurgitated for 40+ years. I do not have similar expectations of Westgate, or Holiday Inn; my expectations of Hilton would be higher, but, we've never stayed at a Hilton.
 
I am sure rethinking our Surf Club stay in October after reading this. I may start watching for other accommodations. It's probably going to be easier to get different units around mid-August.
 
I am sure rethinking our Surf Club stay in October after reading this. I may start watching for other accommodations. It's probably going to be easier to get different units around mid-August.
Surf Club? This thread is about Surfwatch.
 
I am sure rethinking our Surf Club stay in October after reading this. I may start watching for other accommodations. It's probably going to be easier to get different units around mid-August.
How HHI in October? I always was worried about hurricanes, but I think October might be similar shoulder time maybe - at least for temps... And I think about then is when my II traders start to show MVCs again in HHI.
 
Would you include Hilton, Holiday Inns and Westgate Resort’s in your last paragraph.

We've never stayed at a hotel or resort managed by one of those companies. We are loyal to, first and foremost, Marriott, then the former Starwood/Westin, and Disney Vacation Club. I can say this about Marriott, based largely on the representations that were made to us, now, 40+ years ago, when we purchased our first Marriott timeshare, "we're the Marriott that you've come to know and love." At that time, MORI was data mining Marriott's Honored Guest Awards members, to market MORI, so we were brand loyal to MarriottHence, I hold MVC to a high bar, which they created, and have regurgitated for 40+ years. I do not have similar expectations of Westgate, or Holiday Inn.

"This line "Marriott seems to be more concerned with trying to sell us more vacation products as they continually bothered us during this vacation week than maintaining standards in their resorts" tells me that this person likely has a general negative attitude against MVCI and was looking for reasons to post. It would have been more creditable of a complaint if the person reached out to the front desk and nothing was done.

I agree with the original TripAdvisor reviewer, my assessment of MVC is identical to that reviewer. I've been perplexed, for years, at the way that MVC does not relent with their “on resort” marketing; personally, we did not purchase a Marriott timeshare (many of them) to be hammered on every vacation by Marriott’s marketing people, who, often, disguise themselves as something other than marketing people. I think we figured out how to enjoy our vacations, without having our vacation space infringed upon by MVC marketing people; (1) we don’t answer any call or email from any number that looks like it may be associated with Marriott Vacation Club, prior to our arrival, (2) we don’t accept the bait of the Front Desk Associate, who attempts to steer us to the “Concierge” to get “our discount card (really, to “market us” and attempt to lure us to an “Owner Update,” which is not an Owner Update, it is a sales presentation). If the “Owner Update” was an “Owner Update,” i’d expect it to be delivered by a “service person,” but, as you well know, the “Owner Update” is delivered by a salesperson, whose sole purpose is to sell something, (3) we check into our villa, and disconnect all of the phones (gone, are the alleged “service calls,” from a marketing person in costume, who alleges to be calling to ensure that our villa and stay are OK, who really wants to sign us up for an “Owner Update”), and (4) we respond to no phone calls, voice mail messages, or email, from marketing people, during our stay. I find it intrusive and offensive that MVC marketing people reach out to my wife and I on our cellphone, during our vacation.

My least favorite voicemail message, came from a MVC marketing person at Canyon Villas, who left a message for us on my cellphone, 4 days into our 7 night stay. She said that we should come and get our discount card, “before it was too late."
 
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How HHI in October? I always was worried about hurricanes, but I think October might be similar shoulder time maybe - at least for temps... And I think about then is when my II traders start to show MVCs again in HHI.
It is the best weather month of the year IMO. May is up there too. HHI doesn't get hit by hurricanes that often, but has been hit by a couple big ones over the last ten years.
 
How HHI in October? I always was worried about hurricanes, but I think October might be similar shoulder time maybe - at least for temps... And I think about then is when my II traders start to show MVCs again in HHI.
October is the best.
Get some travel insurance if it makes sense given the price you pay for the trip.
 
The larger question is why was the resort such a mess? None of your replies address that issue.
I own two platinum units at SW and was there for the week of the 4th of July, which is probably the busiest week of the year and we experienced none of the issues that WBP wrote about. My units were clean and I never saw trash piled up near the elevator. I don't understand why anyone would leave a bag of trash when all they have to do is take it around behind the elevator and dispose of it in the trash room on each floor. As an owner, if I saw the same trash there for two days I would call the front desk, he didn't say if it was the same trash, or if everyday the bin was full but emptied sometime during the day, and then filled again the next day, that would not be the same thing.
If this review is accurate, and credible, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, I am very disappointed in Marriott Vacation Club.

In my opinion, every service failure that the reviewer illustrates, goes back to the resort’s General Manager, and is owned by the resort’s General Manager, and MVC/MVW Leadership.

For this, we MVC Owners, pay a very premium fee. I expect to receive what we paid for, in terms of product and service.

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Poor experince during our resent stay
I have been a Marriott destination club member for over a decade and have gone to this resort probably 4 times in the last 10 years on this recent stay our rooms were dirty, poor cleaning with trash and dirt under beds and furniture, the room furnishings were worn. We experienced overflowning public area trash bins over a three day weekend that were not emptied, hotel staff parking their work carts in handicap parking which caused guests needing them to be displaced, so overall I was not happy with this recent stay and will not go back for a while. Marriott seems to be more concerned with trying to sell us more vacation products as they continually bothered us during this vacation week than maintaining standards in their resorts.

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Trash overflowing near parking elevator for 3 days
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I own two platinum units at SW and was there for the week of the 4th of July, which is probably the busiest week of the year and we experienced none of the issues that WBP wrote about. My units were clean and I never saw trash piled up near the elevator. I don't understand why anyone would leave a bag of trash when all they have to do is take it around behind the elevator and dispose of it in the trash room on each floor. As an owner, if I saw the same trash there for two days I would call the front desk, he didn't say if it was the same trash, or if everyday the bin was full but emptied sometime during the day, and then filled again the next day, that would not be the same thing.
This summer the whole island has been more crowded than we've ever seen it, with July 4th jam-packed everywhere!

As for this thread, I'm sad every time I see a bad review about my favorite resort. I agree with you that the front desk should have been contacted, and based on our interactions they and the GM are always willing to talk.
 
I just got back from six days at Surfwatch on Friday. It was busy, but never felt crowded. We had sunshine and mild weather the entire time. This time I did more of the activities and enjoyed the surroundings. There was no evidence of trash anywhere and type of people was real different than when I was there in May. It was mostly seniors with a few families with kids. We had a 3 BR unit and everything was great.
 
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