• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 30 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 30th anniversary: Happy 30th Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $21,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $21 Million dollars
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    60,000+ subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

Value of the ownership

family4

Guest
Joined
Apr 18, 2008
Messages
10
Reaction score
4
My wife and I toured the Maui Bay and purchased a VIP package of 11k points. We plan to have a family trip to Maui in January and certainly don't have enough points. I explore the feasibility of becoming an owner but my wife hesitates since we are not very happy with our Westgate. Would you be able to share your thoughts of the questions:

1. Are you happy with the value of your ownership?
2. Am I able to rent from someone to get another unit in January?
3. Would an ownership acquired from resales function as well as purchasing directly from Hilton?

Thank you.
 

ljmiii

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2008
Messages
2,221
Reaction score
1,347
Location
NY, NY
To answer your first question first...

HGVC is in general (and IMHO) the best of the major timeshare systems as long as you understand its limitations and are able to plan 9 to 12 months in advance. In particular, HGVC truly excels if you want to do one of the three following things...

1) Stay at one of HGVC's major destinations - O'ahu, the Big Island, Carlsbad (CA), Las Vegas, Myrtle Beach (SC), Orlando, and maybe NYC. There is almost always plenty of availability at 276 days (~9 months) and you can just buy the least expensive deed anywhere in the system (taking into account both initial price and MFs).

2) Stay at any HGVC resort for a week at a time (usually Saturday to Saturday) in a particular unit size and season. Because most people don't book Home Week reservations there is almost always availability at 12 months (except perhaps for the very highest of demand weeks - e.g. President's Week at a Ski Resort). For this you buy a deed for the unit, season, and resort at which you want to stay.

3) Stay in NYC or DC. Because the "by Hilton Club" (aka bHC) resorts in these locations have "Home Resort Priority" windows in addition to the "Home Week Priority" window there is a long period of time (typically 90 to 276 days in advance) during which resort owners and no one else can book short stays. In addition, only owners can make "Open Season" reservations (cash stays) and there is usually an owners lounge. You would need to buy at the resort though not necessarily the unit and season at which you want to stay.
 

elaine

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2005
Messages
5,276
Reaction score
2,212
Location
DC
Resorts Owned
HGVC Eagles Nest, DVC-AKV, HHI
Agree with above. Very happy HGVC owners who stay one week most years in our SW FL HGVC and trade within the HGVC system (not the new HGV/MAX) on years we don't use home resort. HGVC is great for Oahu and BI, Hawaii. Don't know about Maui, as it's still fairly new.
Resale weeks book the same as direct purchase within the HGVC system. Mantra is buy where you want to stay if it's high demand/low supply (such as Marco Island, for us). Otherwise, get the best deal on HGVC points.
 

ljmiii

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2008
Messages
2,221
Reaction score
1,347
Location
NY, NY
To answer your other questions...

In HGVC you can only rent out Home Week reservations, not Club Reservations made using points. So in HGVC there isn't anywhere near the vibrant market for owner rented timeshares that there is in other systems (e.g. MVC or DVC).

And yes, HGVC deeds purchased retail are treated the same as those purchased directly from HGV except that they don't count toward your ownership status (with the exception of some 'resale' deeds purchased from affiliate locations...though to my knowledge the only resort for which this is still true is in Scotland).

All that said...Maui Bay Villas is something of a unique case because the resort is still under construction. So it is still expensive to buy there (even resale), it is difficult to get Club reservations because the demand is high, and there are comparatively few rentals available.
 

family4

Guest
Joined
Apr 18, 2008
Messages
10
Reaction score
4
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. It has been very helpful!
 

CalGalTraveler

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2014
Messages
10,090
Reaction score
8,668
Location
California
Resorts Owned
HGVC, MVC Vistana
Gulf and Valdoro affiliates still count toward legacy elite.
 

RX8

TUG Member
Joined
May 5, 2011
Messages
4,234
Reaction score
4,651
Resorts Owned
HGVC and DVC
You may know this already but Maui isn’t an option with VIP. You only have a select number of resorts to choose from. For best results, reserve nine months out. VIP is a good way to “kick the tires” but availability is limited. While you have the use of 11,520 points, good for a two bedroom, there is no guarantee of that. You may end up in a one bedroom gold season using less than 1/2 of those points and you get no credit for unused points.

My advice is buy resale. You will have a required presentation as part of the VIP. HGV will pull on your emotions, play with numbers, dazzle you with the so called Max experience, throw out some one time bonus points, and try to convince you that all your travel needs will be met with what they are attempting to sell you. In reality, to keep the selling price $20,000 or less they will offer you an every other year with too few points (likely from a trust from the old Diamond Resorts collection that has significantly higher maintenance fees than HGVC deeds), The sad part is that what they will sell you will be worth nothing on the resale market after you purchase. In fact, after you pay it in full completely, HGV wouldn’t even accept it back for free.

What should you buy resale? You can take your time, read threads on TUG and ask questions to get the answers. Many will have opinions based on years of experience. Many will likely tell you to focus on an HGVC deed, maybe 11,200 points, and maybe the lowest maintenance fees of a Las Vegas resort. That seems to be a good sweet spot. In addition, it will be much cheaper cost, both in upfront and ongoing maintenance fees, than the worthless offering from HGV. You won’t get Max with resale but Max seems to be more fluff than an actual tangible benefit worthy of the thousands of dollars they charge. You might ask yourself why HGV doesn’t offer the sweet spot of ownership. The main reason is that their asking price would be $75,000 or more. By selling low points, “low cost” weeks, they can continually try to upgrade owners for multiple future sales.
 

family4

Guest
Joined
Apr 18, 2008
Messages
10
Reaction score
4
You may know this already but Maui isn’t an option with VIP. You only have a select number of resorts to choose from. For best results, reserve nine months out. VIP is a good way to “kick the tires” but availability is limited. While you have the use of 11,520 points, good for a two bedroom, there is no guarantee of that. You may end up in a one bedroom gold season using less than 1/2 of those points and you get no credit for unused points.

My advice is buy resale. You will have a required presentation as part of the VIP. HGV will pull on your emotions, play with numbers, dazzle you with the so called Max experience, throw out some one time bonus points, and try to convince you that all your travel needs will be met with what they are attempting to sell you. In reality, to keep the selling price $20,000 or less they will offer you an every other year with too few points (likely from a trust from the old Diamond Resorts collection that has significantly higher maintenance fees than HGVC deeds), The sad part is that what they will sell you will be worth nothing on the resale market after you purchase. In fact, after you pay it in full completely, HGV wouldn’t even accept it back for free.

What should you buy resale? You can take your time, read threads on TUG and ask questions to get the answers. Many will have opinions based on years of experience. Many will likely tell you to focus on an HGVC deed, maybe 11,200 points, and maybe the lowest maintenance fees of a Las Vegas resort. That seems to be a good sweet spot. In addition, it will be much cheaper cost, both in upfront and ongoing maintenance fees, than the worthless offering from HGV. You won’t get Max with resale but Max seems to be more fluff than an actual tangible benefit worthy of the thousands of dollars they charge. You might ask yourself why HGV doesn’t offer the sweet spot of ownership. The main reason is that their asking price would be $75,000 or more.
Thanks for the advice. Maui is included in my VIP package since we went to the presentation there. It was hand written in the contract. We called and were able to find availability at Maui Bay with the VIP. However, it doesn't have enough points since we'd need a 2-br and a 3-br units for the trip. We are not able to purchase additional points with the VIP package. That's why I'm considering buying resales.
 

brp

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2007
Messages
4,127
Reaction score
2,371
Location
Bay Area, CA
Resorts Owned
HGVC: W. 57th, Vegas Strip
DVC: Boardwalk Villas, Beach Club villas
Thanks for the advice. Maui is included in my VIP package since we went to the presentation there. It was hand written in the contract. We called and were able to find availability at Maui Bay with the VIP. However, it doesn't have enough points since we'd need a 2-br and a 3-br units for the trip. We are not able to purchase additional points with the VIP package. That's why I'm considering buying resales.

Buying resale (vs. direct) is definitely the way to go. Among the things to consider is that the fact that you will have these points every year and be paying maintenance fees on them. Unless you're going to take one or more trips a year to a location with HGVC resorts, it may not make sense. Also, deciding where to buy and when you can book is important. For example, we are inside 276 days, so anyone can book Maui (subject to availability) in January even with lower-cost points. So, your ability to book early (9 months out) makes a difference.

Cheers.
 

GT75

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
Moderator
Joined
May 30, 2016
Messages
4,578
Reaction score
3,073
Location
Gig City in Tennessee
Resorts Owned
Legacy HGVC
FAVC-Cabo
We are not able to purchase additional points with the VIP package. That's why I'm considering buying resales.
They don't combine. It will be two different inventories. You could make a separate booking in each.
 

WaikikiFirst

Guest
Joined
Apr 20, 2023
Messages
727
Reaction score
304
My wife and I toured the Maui Bay and purchased a VIP package of 11k points.
Where were you staying on Maui when you did that?
1. Yes. If I had bought MBV I might not be. If I had bought MBV from HGV I definitely would not be.
2. there are definitely MBV units for rent for Jan on Redweek already ... https://www.redweek.com/resort/P6661-maui-bay-villas-by-hilton-grand/timeshare-rentals
3. Resales, as far as I have seen, function fine unless you want Max, which is not much worth having. I guess they don't count if you want to end up owning enough points to get higher-level status. But if you're already having internal debate about buying a single deed, that doesn't seem to be your trajectory

4. Are you thinking you can bundle the bonus pts and the purchased pts together to get the weeks for Jan? I am sure I have read that you cannot do that. I've never done a VIP, never had bonus pts, and HIGHLY skeptical of the ultimate value of bonus pts, so I can't say for sure, but do not expect to do that.
Even if you could do that, do the calendar math. By the time you buy a deed and get it recorded by HGVC and the points are in your account, there will be no availability at MBV. You'd end up renting anyway.

If you for some reason are set on MBV and you CAN use 100% of your bonus points to get a week at MBV, definitely do that. THen rent the other unit off Redweek, or even rent something else nearby. Then you have 2 resorts the family can try out during the week.
 

kanerf

TUG Member
Joined
Sep 23, 2007
Messages
912
Reaction score
657
Location
Pennsylvania
Well I use my VIP membership for work. I have a little of 23K points that I use to make reservations, usually Mon-Thur at my home resort of The District in Washington DC. I usually mange to get about 6 or 7 reservations depending on the time of year. I work downtown, so this is very convenient for me. When I retire in a few years, I will transition my stays to some of their other properties.
 

WaikikiFirst

Guest
Joined
Apr 20, 2023
Messages
727
Reaction score
304
to keep the selling price $20,000 or less they will offer you an every other year with too few points ... ask yourself why HGV doesn’t offer the sweet spot of ownership. The main reason is that their asking price would be $75,000 or more. By selling low points, “low cost” weeks, they can continually try to upgrade owners for multiple future sales.
Bullseye. I'll never forget the only HGVC presentation I went to. I turned down their $40,000 offer. I told them "Sure I can afford it but the #s just don't make sense." So, the saleswoman left, her boss came in and offered me a worse deed that was only EOY and cost $20,000. I was stunned. All I could say was "But but but that is WORSE." All the rest of the day it often popped into my head "Where did they get the idea I could only afford $20,000? Do I mumble badly?"
RX8 lays it out perfectly
 

family4

Guest
Joined
Apr 18, 2008
Messages
10
Reaction score
4
Where were you staying on Maui when you did that?
1. Yes. If I had bought MBV I might not be. If I had bought MBV from HGV I definitely would not be.
2. there are definitely MBV units for rent for Jan on Redweek already ... https://www.redweek.com/resort/P6661-maui-bay-villas-by-hilton-grand/timeshare-rentals
3. Resales, as far as I have seen, function fine unless you want Max, which is not much worth having. I guess they don't count if you want to end up owning enough points to get higher-level status. But if you're already having internal debate about buying a single deed, that doesn't seem to be your trajectory

4. Are you thinking you can bundle the bonus pts and the purchased pts together to get the weeks for Jan? I am sure I have read that you cannot do that. I've never done a VIP, never had bonus pts, and HIGHLY skeptical of the ultimate value of bonus pts, so I can't say for sure, but do not expect to do that.
Even if you could do that, do the calendar math. By the time you buy a deed and get it recorded by HGVC and the points are in your account, there will be no availability at MBV. You'd end up renting anyway.

If you for some reason are set on MBV and you CAN use 100% of your bonus points to get a week at MBV, definitely do that. THen rent the other unit off Redweek, or even rent something else nearby. Then you have 2 resorts the family can try out during the week.
Thank you
 
Top