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Jan, that’s the best sales pitch I’ve ever heard! All truth from personal experience, no lies, no pressure, no made up “problem with your account”, just facts about how a points based system can work and be worth the cost. I completely agree with you. There is no way we could have taken the vacations and stayed in the quality resorts we’ve stayed in over the past few years without being timeshare owners. It has definitely been worth what we paid.

Our older granddaughter experienced her first hotel stay when they stayed at the Kalahari resort in Sandusky, Ohio for her 6th birthday. When our son opened the door she was the first one in and said in a clearly horrified tone of voice: "Wow, this is really small." According to our son and DIL she gave them a look that said I see my bed but where is everyone else going to sleep. They actually had one of the larger suites. Our son assured her it would be fine as they would only be in the room to sleep because they'd be spending most of the time at the waterpark and arcade but she wasn't convinced. Our son and DIL were still standing in the door way with their bags when our DIL told him he had to call us. They were laughing so hard it took several tries for them to tell us about her reaction and that we'd ruined their daughter for a normal life.
 
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Jan, that’s the best sales pitch I’ve ever heard! All truth from personal experience, no lies, no pressure, no made up “problem with your account”, just facts about how a points based system can work and be worth the cost. I completely agree with you. There is no way we could have taken the vacations and stayed in the quality resorts we’ve stayed in over the past few years without being timeshare owners. It has definitely been worth what we paid.
What do you not like about Wyndham's sales strategy of half truths, lies, fuzzy math, daze and confuse? Wouldn't it be nice if Wyndham adopted Jan's way to sell the benefits of ownership?
 
We’ve ruined ourselves. We go to the SEC basketball tournament most years. It is usually in Nashville so we always stayed at Wyndham Nashville near Opry Mills Mall. Last year when the Margaritaville opened downtown, we decided to stay there because it is just a couple of blocks from the arena and very convenient to everything. It costs about twice as many points but we wanted to try it and see if it is worth it. Although the rooms are called suites, they’re just hotel rooms. This is a little problem for us because I usually wake up about an hour or two before DW, so I go make coffee and sit in the living room or on the balcony and drink coffee until she wakes up. Can’t do that at Margaritaville Nashville. I was very disappointed in the size. We’re not in the room that much during the tournament so we’ll probably stay there again because it is so convenient. But, darn, those multi-bedroom condos have really spoiled me!
 
We’ve ruined ourselves. We go to the SEC basketball tournament most years. It is usually in Nashville so we always stayed at Wyndham Nashville near Opry Mills Mall. Last year when the Margaritaville opened downtown, we decided to stay there because it is just a couple of blocks from the arena and very convenient to everything. It costs about twice as many points but we wanted to try it and see if it is worth it. Although the rooms are called suites, they’re just hotel rooms. This is a little problem for us because I usually wake up about an hour or two before DW, so I go make coffee and sit in the living room or on the balcony and drink coffee until she wakes up. Can’t do that at Margaritaville Nashville. I was very disappointed in the size. We’re not in the room that much during the tournament so we’ll probably stay there again because it is so convenient. But, darn, those multi-bedroom condos have really spoiled me!

DH used to travel a lot for his job. The last thing he wanted to do for vacations was stay in a hotel and eat all his meals in restaurants. All it took was our first stay to convince him that he'd made the right choice in agreeing when I insisted we buy.

In 20 years I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of places where we stayed in a suite that didn't have a bedroom separate from the living room. When we did it was only for a night or two. Two of those times were in 2019 at Fairfield Plantation and Harbor Lights. We were really impressed with the units we had at both. Would I want to do it for longer than two nights? Sure, if there's big prize money involved. Otherwise, let me count the ways I can say no.
 
Jan, that’s the best sales pitch I’ve ever heard! All truth from personal experience, no lies, no pressure, no made up “problem with your account”, just facts about how a points based system can work and be worth the cost. I completely agree with you. There is no way we could have taken the vacations and stayed in the quality resorts we’ve stayed in over the past few years without being timeshare owners. It has definitely been worth what we paid.
Yes. It sure was. Honest review from users is the best. Never know what you are getting if only hear the sales pitch all the time. This has been great so far. SO glad I found it. Thank you
 
PR was our 7th jump so you're way ahead of us. Also way ahead of us in buying in younger, a lot younger. I'm guessing from the ages of your kids that you're probably in your 30's. I will have my 70th birthday on what will be our 4th annual summer family vacation at Glacier Canyon.

The traditional week based timeshares had never appealed to us at all. It took attending two then Fairfield before it became Wyndham sales presentations to wrap my head around the newer points based system and decide we should buy. During that second presentation when I was asking questions that indicated to DH that I might be actually considering buying he asked in a horrified tone of voice if I was seriously thinking of buying when the salesperson left us alone for a few minutes. We still laugh about that. If anyone had ever told us 20 years ago when we first bought or even on subsequent buys that we'd ever spend what we've spent or buy as many points as we have, we would have asked if they were drunk, high or just plain crazy.

I've related before that we live in Florida and that I fly to Cleveland, Ohio several times a year to bring one or both granddaughters down to stay with us for anywhere from 10 days to three weeks. Thank you Spirit, Frontier and Allegiant for really cheap flights so we can do this. We usually stay at one of the resorts in Orlando and also at a beach resort while they're here. In Orlando they've stayed at Bonnet Creek, Reunion, Star Island, Cypress Palms, Vacation Village at Parkway, the Houses at Summer Bay, Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort and Animal Kingdom Villas in a savanna view unit. For the beach stays, several resorts on Sanibel Island, Clearwater and Ocean Walk on Daytona Beach. People our son and DIL know think we're rich because even just one week of what our granddaughters do 4-5 times a year is as much as those people's families do for their big vacation once a year. I'd estimate that the cost of three of our trips is equal to if not less than what their one trip costs them.

When I brought the girls down after Christmas we stayed at our house but had a staycation for two nights at Palm-Aire for New Year's Eve. The resort is 20 minutes from our house. We had a two bedroom plus in the Areca Palms building and I asked for a city view on a higher floor so we'd have a great view of the fireworks in the area. People in this part of Florida love their fireworks and you can pretty much see them going off somewhere throughout the evening on New Year's Eve and the 4th of July. The girls enjoyed going in and out throughout the evening to watch the fireworks. The two bedroom plus units have a huge balcony and a den. The girls were so were thrilled with having their own TV room next to their bedroom.

Our son, DIL and granddaughters are coming to Orlando for a Spring Break vacation in two weeks and we're staying at Reunion again. Our DIL has stayed at more resorts than our son because she's a teacher and comes for vacations with the girls as she has more time off than our son. He loves fake complaining that his daughters and even his wife have stayed at more resorts than he has and he's been an owner for 14 years since he turned 21. This will be our son and DIL's first time staying at Reunion so our son was asking about the resort. He was in the car with the 4 year old and on speaker phone. I laughed and told him that he could just ask his daughters about the resort as they've stayed there several times. The younger one just this past October. She remembers the resorts by something she really liked about them so I told her to tell him about the one with the waterpark. She had plenty to tell him most of which made no sense to him as he hadn't stayed there. I sent him a link to view the units and the waterpark.

The girls love looking at the pictures on my phone of them at the different resorts. The 4 year old really likes Ocean Walk and hearing her talk about the older pictures of her at Ocean Walk when she "was little" just cracks me up every time. Because you know she's so old now at 4. She was born exactly two months before her sister's 5th birthday and when I first showed her pictures of her sister when her sister was the same age she asked where she was. She decided the answer was that she was at home with mommy because she was a baby. Yup, lets go with that. Lol

Over the years people my husband worked with would ask how we could afford to vacation like we did. I was a stay at home mom until our son was 16, the year after we bought, and they knew approximately what my husband made. He always told them it was because we had the timeshare. He would leave an opening for them to ask questions about owning a timeshare but none ever did. Most were sure timeshares were nothing but a scam. Within a few years of owning we were taking four vacations a year of a week plus a couple of nights. I planned our vacations over a paid holiday to maximize DH's vacation time. DH got a lot of vacation time at that point and I was able to take time off without pay beyond my two weeks of vacation. Our work schedules were very flexible and that extra day or two meant I was able to book the cheapest flights. We had a routine. Sea Gardens in Pompano Beach, FL in January or February. Grand Desert in Las Vegas in the Spring. One of the Myrtle Beach resorts in late May. We drove to Myrtle Beach and DH was able to schedule himself a work appointment half way there on the way down and back so travel days didn't use vacation days. The last one was a vacation in September or October back to Myrtle Beach or a couple of times back to Vegas.

About a month before DH turned 61 he lost his job when the owners of his company were making the company lean and mean in order to sell it. Because what he did was very specialized he had no problem finding another job. He found one in Florida and we didn't have to wait until he retired to move somewhere warmer than northwestern Pennsylvania. However that meant he was starting over building vacation time. During my first year here in Florida I discovered there are a lot of resorts in Florida that I could book through RCI. My husband covered all of Florida from Sarasota over to Fort Pierce clear down to Key West. If he had a couple of days work in a particular area and I found us a stay, off we went. He would have a day that he did reports and would sit on the balcony or in the pool area at the resort doing them. He said it didn't feel like he was working. One year we had stays over every holiday. Sometimes he would take a day of vacation to give himself an even longer holiday weekend. We only needed him to work until I turned 65 for the health insurance because I didn't go back to work after the move to Florida but he kept working another 18 months until he was 68.5 through choice. He says that having those timeshare stays made him in no rush to retire.

I wish you and your family many happy memories as you make your own stories over the years. Your kids will grow up with wonderful memories and also very spoiled when it comes to vacations. It's a wonderful feeling knowing you make that happen for them.

If you ever need any help figuring things out you're welcome to private message me and I'll give you my phone number.
You are amazing! Don't know where to start here but thank you so much for sharing your terrific story. It really helped ease my buyers remorse and actually helping me to feel excited again. All or the replies have helped. I will private message you for sure. We are going to Shawnee (live close and pretty much only have been there and AC for the last 6 months). Otherwise, many of the places you mentioned are places we go or are trying. We happen to be going to Palm-Aire, so your tips on building and floor helped as well. I will try and contact Wyndham and add that request prior to showing up there. We are there next month for two weeks and Bonnet Creek in June. Las Vegas Grand Desert a couple of times, my brother and family live in Vegas, Myrtle Beach we canceled due to a 6pm curfew that was in effect at the time. OK. I need to get back to work, working from home. I will reach out soon and thanks again!! :) Have a great day! Joe PS - nope 30's I wish. I am 48 so I might have had an early start here but not with my family :) I married at 38.
 
DH used to travel a lot for his job. The last thing he wanted to do for vacations was stay in a hotel and eat all his meals in restaurants. All it took was our first stay to convince him that he'd made the right choice in agreeing when I insisted we buy.

In 20 years I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of places where we stayed in a suite that didn't have a bedroom separate from the living room. When we did it was only for a night or two. Two of those times were in 2019 at Fairfield Plantation and Harbor Lights. We were really impressed with the units we had at both. Would I want to do it for longer than two nights? Sure, if there's big prize money involved. Otherwise, let me count the ways I can say no.
I agree on having a bedroom separate from the kitchen living room area. I am early riser up at 4:30 am and My wife likes to sleep in. The 3-4 hours gives me a chance to make coffee, read and let her sleep. We all know a happy wife is a happy life.
 
You are amazing! Don't know where to start here but thank you so much for sharing your terrific story. It really helped ease my buyers remorse and actually helping me to feel excited again. All or the replies have helped. I will private message you for sure. We are going to Shawnee (live close and pretty much only have been there and AC for the last 6 months). Otherwise, many of the places you mentioned are places we go or are trying. We happen to be going to Palm-Aire, so your tips on building and floor helped as well. I will try and contact Wyndham and add that request prior to showing up there. We are there next month for two weeks and Bonnet Creek in June. Las Vegas Grand Desert a couple of times, my brother and family live in Vegas, Myrtle Beach we canceled due to a 6pm curfew that was in effect at the time. OK. I need to get back to work, working from home. I will reach out soon and thanks again!! :) Have a great day! Joe PS - nope 30's I wish. I am 48 so I might have had an early start here but not with my family :) I married at 38.
It sounds like you might be in the NY metro area. Take a look at Bentley Brook in Hancock, MA. It might not be too far from you and is a very nice resort with a bunch to do nearby (especially depending on the season you go).
 
In the last twenty years how many up grade levels have Wyndham( formerly Fairfield ) creative for their timeshare owners? LOL
 
In the last twenty years how many up grade levels have Wyndham( formerly Fairfield ) creative for their timeshare owners? LOL
Its a strategy to sell more points. Nothing more nothing less. It has worked great to sell status and privilege. No different then the credit card companies that use this same strategy.
 
Also, I always thought that there were no PR resale contracts, that Wyndham has the first right of purchase.
Never had right of first refusal has Never had exercised in my many resale purchases with Wyndham
 
Never had right of first refusal has Never had exercised in my many resale purchases with Wyndham
The rofr I believe is only on Presidential Reserve ownership sales.
 
It sounds like you might be in the NY metro area. Take a look at Bentley Brook in Hancock, MA. It might not be too far from you and is a very nice resort with a bunch to do nearby (especially depending on the season you go).
Yes I am. I have looked at this one. I will plan a tip there. Thank you.
 
The rofr I believe is only on Presidential Reserve ownership sales.
As it came from a sales person take it as you will, but my understanding is that due to the scarcity of PR Wyndham buys back unwanted PR points and then resells them to other members wishing to upgrade. At many resorts they apparently have a waiting list for PR. I think Covid broke that a little as many PR owners returned points so probably few to none on waiting lists now. With the plethora of regular points they don't have the same incentive to buy back.
 
As it came from a sales person take it as you will, but my understanding is that due to the scarcity of PR Wyndham buys back unwanted PR points and then resells them to other members wishing to upgrade. At many resorts they apparently have a waiting list for PR. I think Covid broke that a little as many PR owners returned points so probably few to none on waiting lists now. With the plethora of regular points they don't have the same incentive to buy back.
Sounds like they don't want it for next to nothing And have the burden of paying maintenance fees. LOL!
 
Hello out there... We are 20 year owners at Wyndham Ocean Blvd. Partial Select and partial Access. We are ones that definitely use our points. Glad we purchased it, as many others have said we wish we bought them all a long time ago. Our question is this/. We are currently Founders and Platinum 1.5m points. Can't seem to find upgrades, and or discounts. As when its time to upgrade, non available. Same true with the discounts. IS IT WORTH THE BUMP? Will it help with those two issues specifically? Will this help with the inventory it shows us when we check it online? Were not robes and chocolates people either, just enjoy getting great views, ocean front whenever possible. Not necessarily PR units. Very grateful for any help. Sincerely the Baileys PS. Were highly skeptical of the sales people, and want to know the best way to approach this purchase also, should we decide to upgrade. Thank You.
 
I don’t understand. You say you are currently Founders. That is the highest VIP level. What would you upgrade to?
 
Sales weasels will tell you what you want to hear to make a sale. All lies, but nevertheless, you'll like what you hear. There is no magic level or purchase that will improve your odd if you are already Founder Level.
 
Hello out there... We are 20 year owners at Wyndham Ocean Blvd. Partial Select and partial Access. We are ones that definitely use our points. Glad we purchased it, as many others have said we wish we bought them all a long time ago. Our question is this/. We are currently Founders and Platinum 1.5m points. Can't seem to find upgrades, and or discounts. As when its time to upgrade, non available. Same true with the discounts. IS IT WORTH THE BUMP? Will it help with those two issues specifically? Will this help with the inventory it shows us when we check it online? Were not robes and chocolates people either, just enjoy getting great views, ocean front whenever possible. Not necessarily PR units. Very grateful for any help. Sincerely the Baileys PS. Were highly skeptical of the sales people, and want to know the best way to approach this purchase also, should we decide to upgrade. Thank You.
The only thing you would be upgrading is the sales weasels back pocket. After 20 years of ownership you should now better then believe or listen to what a sales person is saying. Nothing you buy is going to help your availability or with free upgrades.
 
What is the use of PR if there’s no real need of PR units?

Perhaps the reference is to the PR inventory that is supposed
to be held back (“reserved”) for PR owners, within limits.

For example, as a PR owner I currently see the following
October 28-31 at OB:


4 Bedroom Presidential Oceanfront Upper Level - MobilitySuite Details
178,000 PTS

Can a non-PR owner report here if they see it? IMHO it would
have to be exactly the kind of increased availabilty
you are looking for to be worth the pretty penny
sales is asking for a PR upgrade.

Others have stated that, unlike VIP, PR status *does* transfer with
a resale purchase. Can anyone confirm?
 
For example, as a PR owner I currently see the following
October 28-31 at OB
OB isn’t a PR resort. That’s a regular presidential, not a PR unit.

But regardless, the inventory at PR resorts that’s held back for PR owners is PR units. That is the reason to be PR. If they’re not going to book PR units, there’s no point to it.
 
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