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UPDATE: RCI CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT - must read for all RCI members [Includes Results]

Would you like to see a specific statement from RCI that it will not retaliate

  • Yes, I would be more comfortable seeing such a statement if I felt I could trust that it was true

    Votes: 229 86.7%
  • No, I do not feel such a statement is necessary

    Votes: 35 13.3%

  • Total voters
    264

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I just got a postcard today-didn't know about any of this since I sold my RCI affiliated resort a few years back and canceled membership. I went online for the claim form and I had the choice of $15, or a discount if I wanted to rejoin RCI-I took the $15!
 

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One of the objections I have (and am drafting for my official objection) is the 31 day priority for deposits made more than 1 year in advance. First of all it should be longer- 60 days would give members more time and would still allow RCI plenty of time to find a renter.

More importantly many float weeks will not allow you to reserve your week before the 1 year mark and by the time the resort can verify the reservation for deposit there is less than the one year time frame RCI would require. Virtually all good float weeks would be available instantly to renters and never make it into the exchange pool. :mad: I think the priority for deposits to remain in the exchange pool should extend a minimum to 11 months in advance if not 10 months.
 

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How to object

Unfortuately, I have not been on this site for awhile and just recently received postcard and printed out claimforms. The lawyers filing class action suit really did screw us RCI owners, uh???I have read much of this thread but did I miss instructions on how to proceed with objection and join Ms Collins group???
Is this what most Tuggers are doing???
Thanks
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Warning---urgent Info

Please do not trust the information being posted by Stephan Willett (TUG name "Stephan")

I have been a TUG member since 1994 and own several fixed-deeded weeks, one floating week, and RCI and Wyndham-Fairfield Points. I have been working closely for months (as an unpaid volunteer) with Shep Altshuler, Publisher of Timesharing Today Magazine, and Susan Collins, an attorney and avid timeshare owner who currently owns 9 weeks and has been doing RCI exchanges for years. Her theoretical and personal first hand knowledge is tremendous.

Stephan Wiilett began posting on TUG for the first time 2 days ago as "Stephan" from Escondido, California (although he has filed court papers stating that he lives and works in Virginia and I have reached him by phone there). He did not appear at the Fairness Hearing on June 16th. If Shep and Susan and I had not gone that day in person to the Federal Court in New Jersey to object to the proposed settlement, it would probably have become a "done deal" and we would not be discussing member options here and now.

Stephan contacted us after the hearing in June, purporting to be an attorney with experience in class action litigation. He said he wanted to work with us on the RCI case. He does not own any timeshares. He says his father owns one. We soon found out that his knowledge about timesharing was very simplistic.

He sent us numerous Email messages which were rambling, difficult to understand, and contained inaccurate information. He bombarded the court with notices that were difficult to understand and distracted from, and often times conflicted with, what Shep and Susan, and I were trying to accomplish.

We quickly let Stephan know that we were not interested in working with him. Shep and I and a some other people officially retained Susan Collins to be our attorney and sole spokesperson for us in this case. Steve was notified of this and was told not to communicate with us anymore. He ignored it and kept sending Emails, some of which contained bizarre statements. Susan sternly told him that she would notify the Judge and possibly make an ethics complaint if he didn't stop communicating with her clients about the case.

Stephan subsequently made an application to the Court to be appointed "Lead Atorney for the Objectors". His application has not been approved. He came to the Federal Court hearing in this case on August 12th and was not allowed to testify, while Susan and I were permitted to address the court.

Stephan posted a message on TUG tonight which I have asked TUG Brian to consider deleting. If per chance it is still visible, you will see an example of what I have been referring to as his rambling and confusing way of trying to convey information. To state that people should consider sending claim forms to him is outrageous and will be reported to the Judge.
 
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Ms. Susan Collins will be posting accurate information about the case very soon.
 
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Unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!

Thus, I further share with you that not surpisingly the court agreed with me...it is improbable that one lawyer could represent all of them without a conflict of interest arising"

UNBELIEVABLE !!!

The Judge agreed with Stephan Willett? ????????????

The same Stephen Willett who bombarded the same court and the same judge with multiple notices requesting that HE be appointed "Lead Attorney for the Objectors".

Let's see what Judge Sheridan has to say when your TUG posts are forwarded to him.

Please TUGgers, do not trust information this new comer is providing about the RCI lawsuit.
 

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received my first official class action notice in the form of a postcard yesterday.

I'll watch this thread for instructions from Susan.
 

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just so im clear jennie, people can both select one of the "benefits" AND object to the settlement?

as I read it, if I select one of the benefits arent I agreeing to the current terms of the settlement? how can I also object?

I am trying to make things less confusing for others, but with all legal matters...there appears to be things preventing the people impacted by this from having all the facts.
 

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One of the objections I have (and am drafting for my official objection) is the 31 day priority for deposits made more than 1 year in advance. First of all it should be longer- 60 days would give members more time and would still allow RCI plenty of time to find a renter.

More importantly many float weeks will not allow you to reserve your week before the 1 year mark and by the time the resort can verify the reservation for deposit there is less than the one year time frame RCI would require. Virtually all good float weeks would be available instantly to renters and never make it into the exchange pool. :mad: I think the priority for deposits to remain in the exchange pool should extend a minimum to 11 months in advance if not 10 months.

Frankly I think the only time a week deposited for exchange by a Weeks member should make it into *any* rental inventory is in the waning days of life in order to prevent it going unused. These are the same weeks we used to see as "Last Call" vacations, and the limit was (if I remember correctly) the 45-days-left point. I'd say from days 45-30 offer them as Last Call clearances to anyone with an open deposit (regardless of exchange value), then at the end also offer them as rental to non-Weeks members, the general public.

For the most part, once a week hits the open market it will be gone if it is a decent resort/unit/time etc. Whether they set the line at 12 months, 10 months, or whenever, from that point forward the best units will NOT be available to exchangers. Where ever that line is set we'll be forced into making our plans from 13 to (fill in the blank) months in advance if we want to even have a shot at a decent exchange. I don't know about the rest of you but I can't always plan that far in advance due to kids' school and sports schedules, elderly family members' health, etc. I need that window to be as wide as possible to provide the flexibility I need. If I'm late to the trough I recognize my choices will be limited, and I accept that. But with RCI declaring a deposited week surplus with 10 or 12 months left on it, there won't be anything after that point worth a darn.

I'm OK with an ever-expanding pool of exchangers who have the chance on a property. Super-premium deposits should be seen first by those who have made similar deposits. After a while people who made slightly lower grade deposits, and so on until towards the end anyone with any deposit on record (and I'll avoid speculating on the lowest grades possible) has a shot at a week if they haven't been snatched up by someone earlier. Lastly, before it goes unused, offer it to the General Public, but even then it should benefit the members of the weeks program somehow, even if RCI uses the $$ to work on their web site. And of course, deposits of lower value would be immediately visible to those that made higher value deposits. After all, if I deposit a 2BR in HI I should be able to grab a studio dang near anywhere, but the reverse would not be true until EVERYONE else had passed on the higher value week and it was going to turn to dust very soon. That is the point I can see allowing a non-member access to the unit. And not before.

Our vacation weeks were not given to RCI so they could maximize their shareholders' value. They were given IN TRUST for the facilitation of trades between a pool of members. Period. And for the privilege of being in that pool we paid an annual fee, and to pull from the pool a rather handsome fee. And for us, the members, factoring in resort MFs, SAs, and the original cost quickly makes our exchange quite expensive, though I don't consider these costs any concern to the exchange company as they aren't involved in it other than to recognize we, their members, have a broader financial stake in this whole thing that affects how we judge the value of their services.

If they want to change the plan from this point forward, that is a business decision they can make and try to sell (good luck on this one). But they can't change it after they sold me the old model, while I have an active membership and deposits made under the original concepts. I didn't give them a week so they could rent it out. I gave them a weeks stay in MY resort, PLUS $89 per year in member ship fees, PLUS $175 or so just so I could have access to a like exchange, and sometimes if I'm lucky get a better exchange, and sometimes take my lumps on a less desirable week because I'm late. That is a fair system I would belong to for life, but I think it's gone. It must be gone if we're only arguing about how early they can skim the cream. We should be arguing that the cream is ours and they should keep their mitts off.


And what's this stuff about Stephen? Jennie has a solid warning about him, yet Brian posted a link to his monologue on the web as if it's legit. What gives?
 

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Attorney Disclaimer Ordered by the United States District Court:

I am an attorney who was admitted to represent some of the objectors in a class action pending in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Any statements by an attorney, including myself, should be considered to be the personal opinion of the attorney and are not approved by the Court. As such, my statements contained herein are not approved by the Court. More information is available at www.weeksprogramsettlement.com, the Court-approved website.

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just so im clear jennie, people can both select one of the "benefits" AND object to the settlement?

as I read it, if I select one of the benefits arent I agreeing to the current terms of the settlement? how can I also object?

I am trying to make things less confusing for others, but with all legal matters...there appears to be things preventing the people impacted by this from having all the facts.

Brian, I can answer this. YES you can both file an objection AND select a benefit. They are two separate processes.

You (and other members) can file a Claim Form in order to select a benefit. The claim form is available at the link provided in the Notice, or the RCI log-in page (before logging in).

To file an objection, you can follow the instructions on the same website. We are, however, attempting to create a simple form for members to fill out if they wish to object.
 
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Just to clarify....the website still exists...i just removed the link from the post while we work out some "controversy" behind the scenes.

it appears there are now two sides to even the objectors side of things....I dont want to put TUG in the middle of that sort of argument...TUG is here to provide info for owners to digest and make educated decisions on...and the last thing I want to do is muddy the waters for any of you.

I am in direct contact with stephan, jennie, and susan collins and this will get sorted out I promise you.

For now, if it were me as an individual RCI member...a 15 dollar coupon is not worth me "Agreeing" to the settlement terms as they are currently listed to my knowledge...and I side with the objectors in hopes they can modify the settlement to more fairly compensate RCI weeks members, vs what is currently on the table.

but this is just my opinion...and ill admit that even im lost in this entire process to this point...so much going on!
 

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on a side note....there is also a link to a summary page on timesharing today that has downloadble pdf files discussing the rci settlement if you wish to read those.

the link is available on the http://rciclassactionsettlement.com website in the latest updates.
 

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Can't rent RCI exchanges

In an ideal world Member Weeks could not be taken for "*any* rental inventory", but if Members can rent their Weeks then RCI can rent their Weeks also.

Stephen, In case you didn't know members can not rent out exchanges or extra vacations obtained through RCI; only our own personally owned weeks. RCI is not renting out there own weeks they are renting out weeks that were deposited for exchange. Something they say they can do because they put that clause in the "small print"
 

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The above attorney is not me.

So are you stating that you are not Stephan Willett from Virginia, and that you are a different Stephan located in Escondido, CA?

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Stephen, In case you didn't know members can not rent out exchanges or extra vacations obtained through RCI; only our own personally owned weeks. RCI is not renting out their own weeks-- they are renting out weeks that were deposited for exchange. Something they say they can do because they put that clause in the "small print"

Susan Collins and I have told Stephan over and over and over again that RCI does not own the weeks they rent.

For some unknown reason, he cannot grasp this simple concept :wall:

He has said several times that if the lawsuit results in RCI being prohibited from renting timeshare weeks, then owners will lose the right to rent their weeks too. Huh??? I won't be able to rent my fixed deeded week??? In America???
 
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Absolutely Not !

... but if Members can rent their Weeks then RCI can rent their Weeks also. ...

I cannot disagree more strongly without resorting to harsh language.

I, as the owner of a timeshared property, that purchased such property with my own funds, and whose ownership of that property has usage rights to a week at the property, and because of said ownership pays maintenance fees as levied by the property, and periodically will pay assessments that may be levied by the association managing the property, can do damn near anything I want with my week of usage in that property. And for good reason, I own the right to use. I may have a deed, I may not. I may own a fixed week and unit, I may own just the right to be issued one upon request. But I own it.

One of the things I may choose to do is trade with someone that owns a different week of usage, perhaps even at a different property. That gets real cumbersome to try to do one-on-one even today, but imagine what it was like in the days before the internet. So along comes RCI who offers me membership in a club that facilitates that exchange with other club members. I don't have to know the other people, I don't have to confirm their assurances, I just let the man in the middle handle all that. What a deal, and for only $89 per year. Of course I have to pay for the exchange because they have to collect some revenue to support the exchange system, after all it's probably on some big mainframe computer someplace (at least it was in the beginning).

But I don't have to exchange it. I can use my week myself. After all, that's what I bought it for, right? It's a neat place, on the beach, and I can bring my kids to the same place year after year, but only have to pay for the 1/52 share in it. The true basis of "time share".

Or I can let a friend use it. I better call management so they will let them in the door, because they're expecting to see my ugly mug at the door at 4PM on Saturday. But they'll do it because they know me and trust me to say "my buddy Bob will be using it, treat him as well as you treat me please."

Or, I can rent it to someone I don't know. I'll have to deal with making sure the check doesn't bounce, and that they won't let their kid rip the towel bars off the wall, and I still have to call the resort to tell them to let a guy named Joe use the place.

I can do all of these things with MY timeshare week because I own the week. I know I own the week because the property association sends me the bill for my share of operational expenses on an annual basis (the process known as the Maintenance Fee). And my name is on a deed somewhere so if the place gets hit by an insurable occurrence, I'll get my 1/52 share of my unit. Why? Because I own it.

Should I desire to exchange the week I own with the owner of a different week, maybe even a week at a different property, I'll call those guys that I pay an annual fee to belong to their club. What was the name again, oh yeah RCI. Since I joined their club they will take my week on deposit, give me a credit with which I can look over the existing inventory of deposits and make a selection. If I don't see anything I like I can wait around until someone drops in something I do like, though they cap it at a reasonable couple of years I can do that to prevent massive imbalances, and I find that acceptable. And they'll do their best to make sure I'll get something of similar value to what I deposited, and I find that acceptable. And they will handle all the details of my trade with the other members in exchange for my membership fee, plus an additional fee payable when I make my withdrawal from the "space bank".

Nowhere in all of that is there any sort of agreement, written, implied, or otherwise, that says I'll deposit my week with them and they can do what they want with it, even if it significantly diminishes the inventory from which I get to make my withdrawal. If they have some legaleze somewhere that says they can, it ain't what they told me they would do, and it dang sure ain't what I signed up for. And apparently a whole lot of other people agree with me because a court has declared us a class as we hash this out with RCI.

If that is what RCI wants to operate, they must be explicit in their sales literature so I and all other timeshare owners can determine if it's a good value or not and make our membership decisions accordingly. It's a free country, and they can offer whatever service they want. Of course, I for one wouldn't join up for that program, and I think RCI knew that. So they told us one thing, got us to sign up, then did something completely different than they promised. Hence the lawsuit.

So no, Stephen, just because I, the owner of a share of time in a property, can rent it out, does not in any way mean that RCI, the operator of a voluntary, membership-based exchange service for owners of timeshares, can rent out what has been deposited with them for the current or future use of the collective of members of the exchange service.

I'm kind of lost in who is who in some of this right now, but if you don't get this concept I hope you aren't offering to represent the opposition to the offered settlement. You would be poorly equipped to argue on their behalf.

Maybe a real world example would help get across the problem with them renting out deposits.

One hundred hunters bring their freshly harvested deer to a processing plant that offers locker service. The service will store the meat in their great big freezer on behalf of the hunter, who can stop by anytime and get a roast or sausage or whatever for the weekend. If the locker service sells the meat on the side, eventually some hunter is going to show up for his monthly withdrawal and find out there isn't anything left, or what is left sure isn't the good stuff he brought into the place. And he's rightfully going to be ticked off, because that was HIS kids' dinner the locker operator stole, sold off, and bought a new truck with the cash.

If a stock brokerage tried to operate the same way with their deposits as RCI does, the SEC would shut them down. If it was a bank the FDIC would shutter the doors. If its a meat locker the local ranchers and hunters that came to get their rations and found the freezer empty would tar and feather the guy, or worse.

Whether it's dollars deposited into a bank or timeshare weeks deposited with RCI, only the original owner of the deposit should benefit from the withdrawal. Period.

Hmmm, maybe the closest analogy is RCI is like a Ponzi scheme. Those that make early withdrawals get better returns, and in the end have the best chance of even getting a return at all, whereas those that trust the operator get stiffed in the end. So RCI should suffer the same fate as Bernie Madoff?
 

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i also received a postcard from RCI.. quite mundane looking one at that.. quite different from the usual 4 color high gloss, with fun people doing fun things on them..

guess they are just trying to pass it off as junk mail so it gets tossed out by some RCI member and not acted upon.. kinda sleezie but we are talking RCI here..

any word on a paypal account that can accept donations to this cause??

also I went online to website listed on the card and started trying to fill out the stuff.. I see a part about getting a $100 dollar credit for cruise and some other worthless trinkets. Not sure what the correct way to go about this. are we looking to object to the settlement and determine the benefits wanted??

I have tried to read the posts but they are all over the place with no real thread to follow for the most part..

just looking for a quick answer to my questions above.
 

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Guidance is coming.

Definitive and hopefully helpful information is being finalized.

There is an old proverb dating back to at least 1575.

"Too many cooks spoil the broth."

The goal as many objectors see it, is to get RCI to revise their settlement significantly. In reaching for that goal we should move forward as united as we can be.

There is power in our numbers but as a group we can be overlooked if we do not move forward with as many of us as possible being on the same page.

My attorney (Susan Collins) has reviewd all aspects of what I propose to offer the TUG Board and we have offered the information to TUGBrian for his approval prior to posting.

Hopefully it will be up for all to peruse in the next 48 hours, if not sooner.

Stay Tuned.
 

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My attorney (Susan Collins) has reviewd all aspects of what I propose to offer the TUG Board and we have offered the information to TUGBrian for his approval prior to posting.

Hopefully it will be up for all to peruse in the next 48 hours, if not sooner.

Stay Tuned.

I'm looking forward to seeing it. I got my postcard today, but I plan to sit tight until I get some direction on how to make an effective objection.
 

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I got 5 emails from the "Settlement Administrator", 1 for each of the 5 RCI weeks accounts I used to have. I will become an "Objector", but I only have 2 of my account numbers, any Idea how to find out the others? By the way, the emails went into my Spam box....No postcards...
 
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ttt posted: I got 5 emails from the "Settlement Administrator", 1 for each of the 5 RCI weeks accounts I used to have. I will become an "Objector", but I only have 2 of my account numbers, any Idea how to find out the others? By the way, the emails went into my Spam box....No postcards...

I am not an attorney. But here is how I see it.

If you have or had more than one account and each account was in the name of a different "class" member then each of those individuals, trusts, or entities could consider sending in a separate objection under the appropriate "class member's" name.

Soon we will have instructions up that detail what to do in the instances where the "class member" is a trust or entity.

The only way that I can think of to get your previous separate account numbers from RCI would be to "without fuss" simply call RCI at the standard number at RCI.com and ask them to look into their computer to see if the account numbers previously established are still on file. I suspect that they are because you received five separate E-mails.

Another approach would be to contact the RCI class action administrator and ask them to look in their data base and identify your account number for you.
 

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I am unsure if I am a member of the class... I received the e-mail from RCI and was an RCI member before August 31st. But I had not deposited a week or tried to exchange before that date. Your help is appreciated. I thank all of you that are working so hard for all RCI members!
 
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