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I did not say my view was morally superior.
That is your take on it.
If you do not like what I write, that is your opinion, but what gives you the right to start judging me?

I just want to stay in a nice place when I go on vacation.
If you don't care, that is your right.

The fact that a lot of people still purchase points has no bearing on anything.
A lot of people eat garbage from some fast food franchise by the ton everyday.
That hardly makes it a nutritious meal.

I was just trying to see what people's opinions were.
I think the sample size is too small.

In any event I will stop posting on TUG.
I find it to be a bitter crowd, with too many complaints about non issues.

Happy New Year to all.
I wouldn't take it personally. You asked a question about MVC on the MVC board. It seems that most of us have some level of satisfaction with the current amenities and decor. I don't think anyone would argue against a level of upgrade that wasn't overly expensive. I do think you over simplieid the issue and underestimated to real costs. Even within MVC there is a range of quality from say Vail & HP up to Crystal Shores and if you go across the broadened brand, from Sheraton up to Westin. There are things I'd like to see done differently and for the options that are more important or obvious, I offer those suggestions to the appropriate people like the GM. I would be interested to know the difference in cost between those levels and I may be able to get some additional insight owning with brands that, by design, have units that are of different levels of quality/upsale. I'll try to remember to ask when the opportunity presents itself.

The one data point I do have that's directly applicable to the subject is for a resort in Aruba that I used to own at that did just as you're suggesting. They went through and upgraded each and every unit considerably and intentionally. Even after some hefty fee hikes almost doubling the yearly fees over about 3-4 years, they charged a SA for each studio and each 1 BR of almost $1000 per. That would have been almost 20 years ago. I owned several units and including a 3 BR double lock off so I missed the SA that would have been almost $10K by less than a year by enrolling those units in Bluegreen's points program.
 

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I wouldn't take it personally. You asked a question about MVC on the MVC board. It seems that most of us have some level of satisfaction with the current amenities and decor. I don't think anyone would argue against a level of upgrade that wasn't overly expensive. I do think you over simplieid the issue and underestimated to real costs. Even within MVC there is a range of quality from say Vail & HP up to Crystal Shores and if you go across the broadened brand, from Sheraton up to Westin. There are things I'd like to see done differently and for the options that are more important or obvious, I offer those suggestions to the appropriate people like the GM. I would be interested to know the difference in cost between those levels and I may be able to get some additional insight owning with brands that, by design, have units that are of different levels of quality/upsale. I'll try to remember to ask when the opportunity presents itself.

The one data point I do have that's directly applicable to the subject is for a resort in Aruba that I used to own at that did just as you're suggesting. They went through and upgraded each and every unit considerably and intentionally. Even after some hefty fee hikes almost doubling the yearly fees over about 3-4 years, they charged a SA for each studio and each 1 BR of almost $1000 per. That would have been almost 20 years ago. I owned several units and including a 3 BR double lock off so I missed the SA that would have been almost $10K by less than a year by enrolling those units in Bluegreen's points program.
This is an appropriate answer to the OP’s question and point of view without being insulting . Thank you. I hope the OP does not stop posting. Varying views, hopes and aspirations about time sharing is what I appreciate when I read thru some of these posts.
 

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This is an appropriate answer to the OP’s question and point of view without being insulting . Thank you. I hope the OP does not stop posting. Varying views, hopes and aspirations about time sharing is what I appreciate when I read thru some of these posts.
Thanks, same here. Print items are so easy to take personally when not intended as such. For me personally I want better with no increase in fees but obviously that's not going to happen. Talking upgrades without cost information, or at least consideration, is not productive but can still be interesting and fun.
 

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I think this is an unrealistic expectation and honestly that it is unfair to those who don't care

But what I *would* like to see is for MVW to leverage the brands it owns and expand its higher end offerings as HGV has done with its "Hilton Club" (aka bHC/aHC brand). It is my hope that the reason they are branding the City Collection locations in Charleston and Savannah as "Westin" and not "Marriott" is that those resorts will be a step above (or at least a 1/2 step above) the MVC City Collection.

We're staying at the The Westin Los Cabos Resort Villas & Spa Baja Point for the first time and I must say that we are simply blown away. The service, the furnishings, the views, and the sheer space of the villa with all sorts of thoughtful touches (e.g. a shower in the living room's '1/2 bath' for those sleeping on the sofa bed) are all simply amazing. If you told me that the resort is the RCC Los Cabos I would in no way have been surprised.

Perhaps this bodes well for the new Charleston and Savannah locations. One can only hope...
 

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We're staying at the The Westin Los Cabos Resort Villas & Spa Baja Point for the first time and I must say that we are simply blown away. The service, the furnishings, the views, and the sheer space of the villa with all sorts of thoughtful touches (e.g. a shower in the living room's '1/2 bath' for those sleeping on the sofa bed) are all simply amazing. If you told me that the resort is the RCC Los Cabos I would in no way have been surprised.

Perhaps this bodes well for the new Charleston and Savannah locations. One can only hope...
This property was developed under Vistana, I doubt we will see the same quality level from MVC. But I share your hope.
 

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I did not say my view was morally superior.
That is your take on it.
If you do not like what I write, that is your opinion, but what gives you the right to start judging me?

I just want to stay in a nice place when I go on vacation.
If you don't care, that is your right.

The fact that a lot of people still purchase points has no bearing on anything.
A lot of people eat garbage from some fast food franchise by the ton everyday.
That hardly makes it a nutritious meal.

I was just trying to see what people's opinions were.
I think the sample size is too small.

In any event I will stop posting on TUG.
I find it to be a bitter crowd, with too many complaints about non issues.

Happy New Year to all.
No one judged you. You were the one that said that people's comments were negative without basis. You also claimed that the crowd here was "bitter." So who is being judgmental?

People just disagreed that the MVC resorts are not "nice," and that they were never and will never be up to Ritz Carlton standards. Sounds like you were just looking for an echo chamber to agree with you, and your goal was not achieved. Everyone here was entirely polite and fair. Except you.
 

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This property was developed under Vistana, I doubt we will see the same quality level from MVC. But I share your hope.
I thought Baja Point was developed as the Grand Regina Los Cabos and acquired by Vistana after a hurricane. Not sure how much Vistana had to do with the design and architecture.
 

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We're staying at the The Westin Los Cabos Resort Villas & Spa Baja Point for the first time and I must say that we are simply blown away. The service, the furnishings, the views, and the sheer space of the villa with all sorts of thoughtful touches (e.g. a shower in the living room's '1/2 bath' for those sleeping on the sofa bed) are all simply amazing. If you told me that the resort is the RCC Los Cabos I would in no way have been surprised.

Perhaps this bodes well for the new Charleston and Savannah locations. One can only hope...
I certainly hope so since they will be under the Westin banner and Charleston/Savannah are one of my favorite cities close to home. I will be at the Westin Los Cabos in December and I am looking forward to it.
 

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I thought Baja Point was developed as the Grand Regina Los Cabos and acquired by Vistana after a hurricane. Not sure how much Vistana had to do with the design and architecture.
Yes, that’s true, I was referring to the main Los Cabos property, which was originally a hotel but was conveyed, trashed and closed by the hurricane, to Starwood Vacation Ownership (which became Vistana) when it was spun out from Starwood Hotels. SVO/Vistana converted the former hotel into timeshare units, very nicely, and I’m presuming that they had to do major renovations on Baja Point at the same time since presumably it would have suffered similar damage as the hotel. Baja Point has lots of legacy owners who have owned since it was the Grand Regina.

My point remains that the quality of both properties is a result of their previous ownerships.
 

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Newport Coast underwent a significant remodel about 4 years ago. I'm sure they thought it was an upgrade BUT IMHO it wasn't. The table is now bolted to the wall. The wall it bolted to has a hidden fluorescent light which doesn't light up the area very much. Also the kitchen appliances are not really any better than before. I'm not sure I'd want MVC to try an "upgrade" to Ritz quality.

The table and backlighting are exactly the same before and after the refurb. Sounds like you think it shouldn't be but it's not a change.
 
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