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Trip Report: Big Island - HGVC Ocean Tower

I enjoyed your thoughtful, and humorous report. But I remain confused about a ground floor Penthouse location.
I’m glad you enjoyed it. :)

I was expecting a higher floor as well, “penthouse” name and all. Unfortunately, whoever in marketing thought naming all the different versions of Hilton timeshare similarly (HGVC, HVC, bHC) had a hand in the “penthouse” designation.

From the room type info on the Hilton site * “Please note: These units can be located on all floors, not just the top floor, and ground-floor units do not include a balcony.”
* https://club.hiltongrandvacations.c...nd/ocean-tower-by-hilton-grand-vacations-club
 
I enjoyed your thoughtful, and humorous report. But I remain confused about a ground floor Penthouse location.
A ground floor penthouse doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I think HGV is liberally applying the term "penthouse" to units that have higher end appliances and furnishings as well as better views in order to charge more points. Normally we would refer to these units as a "2 BR Premium", or something along those lines. Do better appliances and furnishings make something a penthouse? Not for me.
 
We've been going to Waikoloa every year (with a couple exceptions) since 2009, mostly at Bay Club but a couple at Kohala and Kings. I own at Kings but we prefer Bay Club - bigger rooms, less points, and the pools (except on holidays) aren't crowded. I was most interested about the $5 for the shuttle - has always been free so hoping they haven't added that, wifey uses it when I'm golfing so she can shop at the Kings and Queens. Not a big deal, more of another middle finger to HGVC owners by corporate.
 
We've been going to Waikoloa every year (with a couple exceptions) since 2009, mostly at Bay Club but a couple at Kohala and Kings. I own at Kings but we prefer Bay Club - bigger rooms, less points, and the pools (except on holidays) aren't crowded. I was most interested about the $5 for the shuttle - has always been free so hoping they haven't added that, wifey uses it when I'm golfing so she can shop at the Kings and Queens. Not a big deal, more of another middle finger to HGVC owners by corporate.
Multiple shuttles operate in the Waikoloa resort area. Kingsland and Bay Club / Kohala Suites operate one shuttle that is free for guests of those three resorts. A separate shuttle is available to Hilton Hotel guests, including people staying at Ocean Tower, and this one charges $5 per guest.
 
Initially I was going to make a property review, then it grew into more of a trip report. I hope some of this is helpful information for folks looking at the Big Island and or Ocean Tower.



We were tired, and without a car, so decided to just run over to the on-property restaurant. An Italian place aptly named “Nui Italian” with 4.3 stars (and 1350 reviews) on Open Table. The TLDR here is that 1300 of these reviews have been done by Hilton staff as the only thing going for this place is the location. The longer version is after waiting ten minutes for a table, we were seated in a covered outdoor area. It is a pretty location, and you can feel the Hawaiian breeze. No, that was a waitress buzzing by frantically, yelling between customers and other staff. I think she said something about coming back… which she did ten minutes later. She apologized, saying it’s a busy night. We got a couple of noodle dishes and meatballs for the kids, and the fried calamari for my wife and me. We had questions about items on the menu, which our waitress answered during fly bys. My wife ordered a chicken parm, I ordered the carbonara with a grilled chicken breast added on. Shortly after placing our main order, the kids food and our calamari appetizer arrived. The kids took one bite and decided they were not happy. In a fit of inspiration, our 11 year old son took a bite of our six year old daughter’s food and exclaimed it was the best he had ever had. She told him he could have it, put her head on the table and went to sleep. Looking at my daughter sleeping peacefully after the agonizingly long flights, in a place of noise and confusion (by our waitress), I was envious. My wife looked at our son, and said that it looked like he could have the rest of our daughter’s food he enjoyed so much. And, he literally said, “no… (dramatic pause) … it’s horrible”. I dove in to our calamari. Looking forward to a wonderfully flash fried $34 squid. What I found was a piece of rubber which had been rolled in cornmeal and sautéed in grease. Throughly underwhelmed, but hungry, I ate it. My wife’s and my supper arrived a few minutes later. The carbonara sans chicken. I caught our waitress mid run for another table, asked about the chicken, and the dish was promptly removed back to the kitchen. Upon return, frozen, now thawed, chicken pieces had been added. My wife, who had so politely waited to start on hers had her first bite. I asked how it was. My wife is polite, possibly too polite. We work, as a couple, in part because her positive politeness offsets my cynical sarcasm. Her smile in response to my question said everything I needed to know from our years of wedded bliss. While too polite to say it out loud, her smile said “this is a frozen chicken patty with crappy ragu sauce and cheese melted on top… no, wait, that is unfair to the ragu.” My response, “may I have a bite?” Not missing a beat, my lovely bride passed a fork full across the table. She was right, it was insulting to the ragu. I twirled some pasta on my fork and stabbed a piece of thawed chicken. The sauce was assuredly out of a jar… it tasted of soap. I was tired, and hungry, I ate it. My wife asked how it was. All I could say is that we are never, ever, returning to this place. I paid the bill, $197.77, and we left.
Sorry to hear about your experience at Nui Italian. We have dined there twice over a couple of trips, and both times we had a much better experience. I don't recall any service issues, and our food was at least decent. Not a place I would go out of my way to recommend, but at least acceptable when you're tired and don't feel like going off property.


How was the train museum? I am a bit of a train buff, but have never heard of this museum, and may check it out on our next trip to Big Island.
 
Sadly, Park Resorts & Hotels owns both the Hilton Waikoloa Village and the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Both properties appear to be run the same way. It's all about squeezing as much money out for as little as possible.

I have owned stock in Hilton for a long time, and looked into investing in the Park Hotels REIT a few times, but never actually done so. Unfortunately, the stock has not done that well, and most of the Park-owned properties have a very mixed guest experience. It always feels like they are trying to skimp on service and amenities.
 
Super helpful to hear such an honest, down-to-earth perspective, especially about the food and tram situation. Definitely makes me rethink staying at Ocean Tower, but Kings’ Land is looking more appealing now!
Yes I feel the same way. It would be nice if Ocean Tower had a nice sandy beach out front. With no good beach I don't see how the location is really any better than Kingsland.
 
Yes I feel the same way. It would be nice if Ocean Tower had a nice sandy beach out front. With no good beach I don't see how the location is really any better than Kingsland.
Probably just for the views. We stayed in Ocean Tower before it was converted to timeshares. The view was beautiful. But if I'm going for a timeshare exchange I'll pick Bay Club. Like the units and the location. Kohala Suites was okay, never stayed at Kingsland.
 
Probably just for the views. We stayed in Ocean Tower before it was converted to timeshares. The view was beautiful. But if I'm going for a timeshare exchange I'll pick Bay Club. Like the units and the location. Kohala Suites was okay, never stayed at Kingsland.
I guess each person is different. How much time do you really spend looking out the window at the ocean? I like going to Pismo Beach and we stay at place that has a great view of the Pacific. During a 3 night stay I think I spend about 90 seconds looking at the ocean. I do like keeping the window open at night hearing the waves so there is that.
 
I guess each person is different. How much time do you really spend looking out the window at the ocean? I like going to Pismo Beach and we stay at place that has a great view of the Pacific. During a 3 night stay I think I spend about 90 seconds looking at the ocean. I do like keeping the window open at night hearing the waves so there is that.
As I also said I wouldn't pick Ocean Towers today.
 
A twenty minute Uber ride from the airport was spent with a salty driver explaining the difference between types of lava, which fish to eat (the ones with lips vs sharp stuff on their nose), and black goats that blend into the asphalt road at night. We saw the black goats blending into the black lava.

Inside, prior to the front desk, we were greeted by a nice lady with a clipboard. After finding our name on her clipboard highlighted in red, I was curtly told where to go… to check in. The front desk told us about the owners lounge, I booked a “2 Bed Penthouse Premier, Ocean View”, and received a second floor shrub front with a view of the ocean to the side, also known as room 2066. It is a very nice room, recently remodeled. I say recently remodeled because we passed non-remodeled units on the way to this one. I would advocate for avoiding an unremodeled unit if possible. I think these are being used for folks who book a cheap HGVC sales presentation vacation.

An Italian place aptly named “Nui Italian” with 4.3 stars (and 1350 reviews) on Open Table. The TLDR here is that 1300 of these reviews have been done by Hilton staff as the only thing going for this place is the location.

What I found was a piece of rubber which had been rolled in cornmeal and sautéed in grease. Throughly underwhelmed, but hungry, I ate it.



Day Two:

We arose from a delightful slumber to rainbows and… no, those are my kids yelling at eachother about something.

We made it down to the boat dock in time to see a lady pulling a boat around. We climbed on board and asked if she would be doing the boat ride all day. She said, they do it once per day, but might do a couple of runs because the tram is broken. I was excited to ride on the boat. I mean, fun… to ride a boat to a different part of the property. My kiddos were excited as well, hanging precariously over the side looking for fish. I’m sure this sounds dangerous, and possibly neglectful parenting… but the boat was barely moving, turning gasoline in to sound more than forward movement. I have read some complaints about how slow the tram is here on TUG. Let me be the first to tell you the tram is downright fast compared to the boat. If there were a race between the boat and my six year old daughter chasing a butterfly in circles, the butterfly would win. Like no contest. Money on the butterfly to win, every … single … time. We did see some neat fish though.







We did get a Turo rental car. The hotel is currently charging $48/ night to park in some distant lot or $55/ night for valet. Parking is not included with HGVC at Ocean Tower.

There is a shuttle to the King and Queen shops. It is $5 per person.








A bit about the unit:

Ocean Tower, 2 Bed Penthouse Premier - Ocean View, Unit 2066. It’s on the ground floor… kind of. The building is built on a slope, so where you get off the tram is basically the second floor of the tower ring closest to the ocean. The room has for the most part been nicely renovated. There are a few things that are a hard miss. The thermostat turns off if it does not sense anyone in the unit, which makes for a warm unit on return after a day out. It also never cools below 72, even if set to a cooler point. The dishwasher is garbage, semi broken (Ie, the racks inside are missing the rollers and it does not actually remove all food debris), yet still functioning. The coffee maker failed in a way where it dumped coffee from the reservoir while we were out. We called maintenance at 7pm when we got back to the unit and found the mess. The woman who showed up said these coffee makers are constantly failing, and brought us a dusty/dirty drip machine as a replacement. She said someone would be by in the morning with a true replacement. That never happened. This is my first HGVC experience, so my reference point is years of Hyatt Residence Club stays. The cooking pots/pans and utensils in the unit were limited, and missing basic items like salt and pepper. It did have a rice cooker. There is a six place setting of dishes, bowels, cups, eating utensils, etc. Where a Hyatt would have had a more extensive set of cooking and dining items. Also, when we have had maintenance issues in a Hyatt, they were addressed immediately, and replaced with a like item not a stop gap (ex, the coffee maker). My wife did not like the counter top, saying “even when it’s clean, it looks dirty”. The bathrooms were on par with Hyatt’s. That may be because these are more recently renovated. The master bath potty has a toilet seat bidet thing that feels like it is catering to the Asian market. The shower is great, as is the over sized tub. Unfortunately, the tub was under utilized by us, relegated to holding wet items from a day at the pool or lagoon. The space under the bed was designed to hold luggage. A fantastic idea for a timeshare in a location where people are dragging all kinds of luggage. This is where the unit feels smaller than a Hyatt, so having a more thoughtful use of space is a good thing. For example, a Hyatt would have more of a dining area, where Hilton dropped a table between the kitchen and living room. If someone is sitting at the table on the kitchen side, then you are not using the kitchen as there is not room to use both spaces at the same time. Space in the second bedroom is limited with two beds shoehorned in there. Speaking of the second bedroom, it’s missing a window. Something odd to me, but with the incessant chirping of the birds outside, maybe a bit of unintentional good luck. I’m not sure if this is a HGVC thing, or simply an architect working with the preexisting space for the remodel. There are automatic blinds on the windows, both black out and sheer, which was a nice touch. The patio… I mean lanai (we are in Hawaii after all) was a fraction of the size of the lanai at the Hyatt Maui property. The view is great. I joked about a view of shrubs above, but it really is a pretty location.


The three (four?) items I am not thrilled about:

First, the distance of Ocean Tower from everything, but primarily the valet/parking. This creates a situation where you need to account for thirty minutes to get from the unit to the car, then thirty minutes from the car back to the unit… and God forbid you get to the car when departing for a day packed with activities and find out one of your kids forgot a stuffed animal in the room they cannot live without… add an hour. This ties in to my frustration with the tram. Yes, it is slow, however, there is zero schedule, so you can’t plan for it. You can’t even count on both (or any) trams running on any given day.

Second, if you don’t have a car, nor food to cook in the room, then you are beholden to the horrid on property restaurants. Get an Uber, or walk / $5 shuttle to the king/queen shops. I’d strongly advise not eating on property, which is a huge shame. Hilton has an opportunity to do good things here, and are totally messing it up because they simply don’t care.

Last, the parking cost. While I’m fine with the hotel charging for valet, self parking should be free… particularly for the owners. It’s not free because it’s an easy buck (or $48/$55) for Hilton to extract (extort?) from their customers. So, they do it because they can.



To sum this up… Will we return to the HGVC on the Big Island? Absolutely! Return to Ocean Tower? No, next up on the Big Island will be Kings’ Land!

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Uber? I question your judgement! I'll pay the parking fees, as you really need a car to get away from the HWV.

Never get distracted by the clipboard person! I was told to go to the office to the left of the checkin desk on my last visit - only to be told, "Go back to the checkin desk" Remembering... you arrived with a ton of guest that are all trying to get checked-in. Now that simple reroute has put you at the very back of the line. Never talk to anyone but the front desk check-in agents. My last visit was to KL and I asked the front desk agent to go into the concierge's office and retrieve my parking pass and other items - She did!

I've stayed in that similar location just a couple of floors above you.

I've been 3 times, and I have not eaten at Nui's - Thank you for this portion of the review! I never order the calamari because it is so easy over-cooked.

You mention kids fighting - Might I suggest... It was because they had no window in their room. It's a CAVE!

Going back to the Uber/Turo - get away from the King/Queen overpriced shops and head to the Waikoloa Village. They just opened up (a few months ago) HiCO Hawaiian Coffee, Acia Bowls. The place that occupied this store-front was my favorite breakfast place in Waikoloa. HiCO has extremely good food and customer service.

When we stayed, there was only 1 tram working and the boat canal was filled with moss - the boats could not move through it. My family left the Kona pool and took the tram. 5 minutes later I walked through lagoon and back to the OT - I was there for 20 minutes before they got back - they had just missed the tram by the pool. I'd say, it was more like a 30-minute round trip.

I agree wholeheartedly, owners of OT should not have to pay for parking! I'd also include Elite status!

I took the tram from KL to QM. when we stopped at the bus stop at HWV, there were groans that it was not the front of the building and I questioned when the new passengers got on to go to the Bay Club - why they did not walk - I guess the hill would be a factor. But even then... The driver never mentioned a $5.00 fee and this is the only stop where they would collect it.


Penthouse on the second floor? Is that unit really designated "2 Bed Penthouse Premier, Ocea
View"?

Edit: answered my own question:


2 Bedroom Penthouse Premier - Ocean View (2PX)​


Size 874 sqft

Accommodates:6



This spacious two-bedroom, two-bathroom ocean view unit features a primary bedroom with king-size bed, 55-inch TV, and bathroom with a free-standing shower. The second bedroom is furnished with two double beds and a bathroom. The suite includes a living room with sofa bed and separate dining area, 65-inch flat screen TV featuring HGV's In-Room TV Experience that allows content streaming from your mobile devices, and motorized shades, as well as a full kitchen with stainless steel appliances, rice steamer and washer/dryer. Please note: These units can be located on all floors, not just the top floor, and ground-floor units do not include a balcony.
I too stayed in this type of unit last year - I read the description before traveling and knew Penthouses at the OT are NOT on the top floor! It's still Crazy! The description needs to be updated - the "second bedroom" is a CAVE! - no windows! AND the bathroom is across the hall/entry.


Yup; also, all Hilton Elites have access to KL pools when staying at Kohala/Bay Club.

Both Kohala/Bay Club are 2 BR, 2 Bath units (NOT on/near ocean, unlike OT) but free parking next door to your unit (+ free parking access at HWV/OT etc) & a lot less points than OT...
I saw a similar post last month - but not about KL - and I took the query to my Centum+ concierge. This was her response: So I have an answer for you finally. After searching and reaching out to different depts within my network. I have finally come to the answer of that they are not free.

I had actually forgotten which question she was responding to - I have many - so... I looked up my question. I am staying at the Bay Club in Waikoloa and want to use both/either of the nicer pools in the Waikoloa resorts (Kings' Land and OT @ the HWV). I believe you and the other poster - but now after her response, I'm going to call the property and speak directly with them.


I made that "Phone Call" to the Bay Club in Waikoloa: this is their answer - the HWV is no longer a "free" participant with regard to sharing their pools. The KL pool is free - as you state in your post - to all Elites (Max or Legacy). I found the other post which states the HWV is a participant - but that is from a forum post in 2016, and the status quo has changed.
 
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I guess each person is different. How much time do you really spend looking out the window at the ocean? I like going to Pismo Beach and we stay at place that has a great view of the Pacific. During a 3 night stay I think I spend about 90 seconds looking at the ocean. I do like keeping the window open at night hearing the waves so there is that.
When we go for Hawaii stays, we do hang in the room in the morning a fair bit. We usually go for a walk or run, then make breakfast in the room. This can be an hour plus endeavor with just sitting around with coffee/tea. At KL, we like our lanai (usually first floor overlooking the Serenity Pool). At Disnee, we get a balcony overlooking the Boardwalk with DVC. So, the ocean view would work for us for breakfast. Other than that (and it's not a big add), there is no attraction for us to OT.

Cheers.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience at Nui Italian. We have dined there twice over a couple of trips, and both times we had a much better experience. I don't recall any service issues, and our food was at least decent. Not a place I would go out of my way to recommend, but at least acceptable when you're tired and don't feel like going off property.


How was the train museum? I am a bit of a train buff, but have never heard of this museum, and may check it out on our next trip to Big Island.
Small, but interesting. They have a standard gauge caboose and narrow gauge switch engine. So, dual gauge on site, which was neat to see. Unfortunately, it was closed, so unable to talk with folks or see anything inside. You can tell it is a pet project for the local community, folks contributing to it because they care about it vs for the $. My Son wanted to go back to see their model trains (he could see them through a window), but we ran out of time.

They have a website: https://www.thetrainmuseum.com/
 
Yes I feel the same way. It would be nice if Ocean Tower had a nice sandy beach out front. With no good beach I don't see how the location is really any better than Kingsland.
A Sandy beach would be nice, but the volcanic rock beach retains a particular rugged feel. If you want to be close to the ocean, watch the sun set over the ocean, etc… Ocean Tower might be better. That being said… we could not hear the waves crashing, and there are a lot of (to me) negative aspects to Ocean Tower. I’m glad we had the experience, but next time we are on the big island, we will be at Kings Land or Bay Club.
 
I would advocate for avoiding an unremodeled unit if possible. I think these are being used for folks who book a cheap HGVC sales presentation vacation.

I can verify, we did one of those last year. I think they are only available through the hotel side, not the timeshare side.

Sapper said:
First, the distance of Ocean Tower from everything, but primarily the valet/parking.

We just got back from Kingsland where the salesperson told us they are planning/trying to add a parking lot over next to the Ocean Tower just for the timeshare units. Maybe in a few years that will actually happen, which would make a big difference for us as I'm happy to buy groceries and cook (but not lug them all the way from the existing parking lot).
 
Small, but interesting. They have a standard gauge caboose and narrow gauge switch engine. So, dual gauge on site, which was neat to see. Unfortunately, it was closed, so unable to talk with folks or see anything inside. You can tell it is a pet project for the local community, folks contributing to it because they care about it vs for the $. My Son wanted to go back to see their model trains (he could see them through a window), but we ran out of time.

They have a website: https://www.thetrainmuseum.com/
Thanks, this sounds interesting to me, so will plan to make a visit on our next trip. Hopefully it will be open when we go.
 
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