This is why I love my Marriott timeshare!

[MOXJO7282]

DISCLAIMER: I know I'm going to regret perpetuating this -- sorry all.


Bruce,

I'm happy for you that you've got a timeshare that works for you -- I don't mean to condescend here, but the last TUG reviews (which may not reflect how you feel about your timeshare) don't reflect the type of timeshare that I am looking for. The last review depicts a worn property in a small ski town (but with some good features to it). It is nice that you've been there 10 times for $160 each stay, but that's not what I am looking for.

I fully acknowledge that you may have the same fond memories of that property with your family for years to come -- which would be great -- and I fully hope that property is still there in 20 years for the next generation to enjoy.

I am willing to pay a premium -- a big premium -- for different amenities and comforts that Marriott provides. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong and it doesn't mean your stupid or that I am stupid. We just have different desires.

Timeos will argue that I can just rent and owning is not necessary, but my personal preference is to not be still searching for that week/view when FF awards open, and both week & view are important to me. Everyone has a system that works for them.

So, Timbers at Christmas Mountain may be a great property for you, but it isn't what I'm looking for. I'm still loving my Marriotts (and Hilton and Starwood and Worldmark).

Best,

Greg

Very well stated as usual. The only thing I'll add is in this case they are wrong.

 

[GregT]

Very well stated as usual. The only thing I'll add is in this case they are wrong.

Joe, my good man and fellow marriott owner, you are a man of strong opinions.

I'd love to hear the following from you:

1) your favorite HHI story
2) your favorite Aruba story
3) your favorite MOC story

Thanks very much -- I hope we have a Painkiller/Mai Tai together one of these years!

Best,

Greg

 

[brucecz]

Greg, I appreciate and understand your point of veiw as expressed in your posting below as` it comes across as fairly fair minded. IMHO

I too have enjoyed Marriotts in any timeframe that we wanted which are mainly non peak demand times. The problem for some on this string is that they do not like hearing the fact that we can exchange into Marriotts at a far lesser cost.

The term "left overs" goes both ways

The CMV Ownerships have been for a long time great tool for us to meet our timeshare goals at a condiderabilty lower cost and also produce rental income.

I understand your referance to the Tug reviews and it does not bother me seeing what those ownerships have done for us for over 11 years in the way of benifits. It is what it is.

As`a example we owned at the resort on Coca`Beach, rented out and then sold about 5 years ago without staying there. We exchanged into there through II at about the same amount that we save exchanging into the NewPort or some of the other Marriott areas we have stayed in.

As far as us, we go were want to when we want and stay were we want to.

We choose to own at mostly older resorts we bought resale as in a` lot of cases they have better locations than the newer resorts. In Puerto Vallarta we stayed one time about 11 years ago at the Mayan Palace and did not care for the newer fashioned units did not care for the cold huge resort cold attitude.It felt like a Howard J. motel 15 miles from our home.

Bigger and glizy is not our type of vacation and we do not need it to validate our self worth.

But last November we exchanged for a 3 bedroom 2,700 square foot penthouse at one of our Home resorts the Ocean Front Gold Crown Lindo Mar were all of the units are about 100 feet from the water. My total prorated exchange cost including MF's and $179 upgrade was under $450.

The day before the whales put on a breeching for about 1/2 hour about 200 yards off shore that we watch from our balcony. We also see rays, etg from our balcony.

I hear Hawaii is nice and judging by some of the ebay MF's listed there as high as over $3,000 per week those who want that type of vacation, more power to them.


As a example for the two of us the Laguna Surf meets our needs better and when we go there this early May we also reservered the New Port as my wifes sister may comedown from LA and we have enjoyed staying there. It might meet your families needs but I would not feel defensive about that fact just like I will not get defensive and attack of what you posted about our CMV UDI's.

So we will check in to the NewPort one day before checking into the Laguna Surf. We just bought the Surf late last year after most ocean units had been picked over. Out of the 25 units about 18 units are on the ocean side and about 7 are on the street side. We were luky to be able to split that week and spend the frist 4 days on the street side and Fri-Sun on the Ocean side.


There fore we are using the New port as a back up in case we do not want to say over night on the Laguna Surf unit because of possable street sound isses that is on the street side and are happy to stay at the New port those 4 nights but use the Surf during the day times unitl we move ocean front on Friday for the weekend.

So we have given ourselfs that flexabilty at a high peorated cost for both places for a bit under $1,000.

Bruce

DISCLAIMER: I know I'm going to regret perpetuating this -- sorry all.


Bruce,

I'm happy for you that you've got a timeshare that works for you -- I don't mean to condescend here, but the last TUG reviews (which may not reflect how you feel about your timeshare) don't reflect the type of timeshare that I am looking for. The last review depicts a worn property in a small ski town (but with some good features to it). It is nice that you've been there 10 times for $160 each stay, but that's not what I am looking for.

I fully acknowledge that you may have the same fond memories of that property with your family for years to come -- which would be great -- and I fully hope that property is still there in 20 years for the next generation to enjoy.

I am willing to pay a premium -- a big premium -- for different amenities and comforts that Marriott provides. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong and it doesn't mean your stupid or that I am stupid. We just have different desires.

Timeos will argue that I can just rent and owning is not necessary, but my personal preference is to not be still searching for that week/view when FF awards open, and both week & view are important to me. Everyone has a system that works for them.

So, Timbers at Christmas Mountain may be a great property for you, but it isn't what I'm looking for. I'm still loving my Marriotts (and Hilton and Starwood and Worldmark).

Best,

Greg

 

[brucecz]

Very well stated as usual. The only thing I'll add is in this case they are wrong.

Your post offers no creditable substance.

On what points that you had ducked before am I am mistaken?

Your certain smug posts now in the Tug Buying and selling area a few days ago on your buying and selling profits and what a great money making investment your Marriotts are.

What other systems do you own in that you know the ins and outs in getting great value out of? Please name them.

On this string you posted how a Marriot can save you money because you could book early. Any timeshare can do the same with proper planning. You try to justify it as being rocket science and it not. That was so waek so that is why you avoid real issues you have been called out on.


You should IMHO quit now as you are falling farther behind and get the sleep you missed last night judging by the time this AM you posted.


Bruce

 

[IngridN]

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Bigger and glizy is not our type of vacation and we do not need it to validate our self worth.

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Bruce

Keep your cheap shots to yourself. Now you are insulting me. I paid my dues over the years staying in cheap places because I wanted to travel as much as possible, but didn't have the money for Marriott-type accommodations. Now that I do, it has nothing to do about 'validating my self worth' but you seem to think it does.

It's perfectly OK to not have the money for the finer things in life, really it is...don't be so defensive about it .

Ingrid

 

[MOXJO7282]

Your post offers no creditable substance.

On what points that you had ducked before am I am mistaken?

Your certain smug posts now in the Tug Buying and selling area a few days ago on your buying and selling profits and what a great money making investment your Marriotts are.

What other systems do you own in that you know the ins and outs in getting great value out of? Please name them.

On this string you posted how a Marriot can save you money because you could book early. Any timeshare can do the same with proper planning. You try to justify it as being rocket science and it not. That was so waek so that is why you avoid real issues you have been called out on.


You should IMHO quit now as you are falling farther behind and get the sleep you missed last night judging by the time this AM you posted.


Bruce

I'm sorry I can't helped myself because I like Marriott and i love to "discuss" it.

Smug? Really? When I offered my advice or have an opinion on how a resale Marriott can be a great buy? OK, I've been called worse.

I know of no other system and never have claimed to. I have so much success with Marriott I don't care about any other. Over my 10 years of TSing I've looked at many and TUG has exposed many others to me. Marriott is the only one that suites my family.

What I don't do is bad mouth other TSs or TUGGERS. I do speak with a strong voice if someone wants to continue a debate about the benefits of Marriott, espacially when they are inaccurate.

Lastly your comments on booking early to secure FF seats is again an example of something you know absolutely nothing about as opposed to me who has done many times.

We've flown first class 6x to Maui thanks to our Marriott ownership. That's a family of 4, 24 1st class tickets to Maui. Somehow I doubt I'm going to do that with CMVs but maybe I should look into it.

Now you will certainly intepret this as bragging and disrepecting your CMVs, but it really is just me defending what I know to be true, that our Marriott ownership has been the best thing we ever did for our family, from a financial, but more importantly from a priceless memory standpoint.

 

[Beefnot]

We've flown first class 6x to Maui thanks to our Marriott ownership. That's a family of 4, 24 1st class tickets to Maui. Somehow I doubt I'm going to do that with CMVs but maybe I should look into it.

Are your first class flights a direct function of ownership, or of stays in Marriott properties, and using a rewards card for purchases? And/or also partially due to buying from developer? If what you have accomplished with first class flights could not have been accomplished via the same or lower cost via buying resale or exchanging, and applying the differential from a developr purchase toward first class flights, then that would indeed be a reason to love your Marriott.

 

[dioxide45]

Are your first class flights a direct function of ownership, or of stays in Marriott properties, and using a rewards card for purchases? And/or also partially due to buying from developer? If what you have accomplished with first class flights could not have been accomplished via the same or lower cost via buying resale or exchanging, and applying the differential from a developr purchase toward first class flights, then that would indeed be a reason to love your Marriott.

My guess is that it is several things. You can earn points from Marriott hotel stays, through their credit card, buying stuff online, or buying points from Marriott at $0.0125 per point. Anyone can do that.

However, the bulk of points that Marriott owners can earn come from trading a week in for Marriott Reward points. Until 6/20/10 only developer TS purchasers could get those. Now resale owners that have enrolled in the DC program get that benefit too.

 

[Twinkstarr]

We really need one of those popcorn eating smilies for this thread.

(it is very usefull over on the DVC section on the Dis boards).

 

[brucecz]

Keep your cheap shots to yourself. Now you are insulting me. I paid my dues over the years staying in cheap places because I wanted to travel as much as possible, but didn't have the money for Marriott-type accommodations. Now that I do, it has nothing to do about 'validating my self worth' but you seem to think it does.

It's perfectly OK to not have the money for the finer things in life, really it is...don't be so defensive about it .

Another Marriott poster presents not one fact or issues but seemingly can only throw mud. How sad.

IngridN, I am sure your post making a personal attack makes other Team Marriott owners proud, but the rest might be appalled..

Yours is nothing but a mistaken cheap shot by a Marriott snob who dodges certain facts and who may not really understand the timeshare market and value and have exposed your self as such and that is so sad

You desperate cheap shop may be the result that you admitt you did not know enough to exchange into a Marriott while paying far less than a Marriott owner. I. enjoy using the Marriotts but some really do need updating.

In regards to finanicals ( note aonther Marriott owner brings this up) we live on a lake between Milwaukee and Chicago and it sounds like you might not be able afford it seeing Al Capones old Villa retreat is only 2 houses north of ours. Would you like when I get home to send you a picture of my Classic 65 prize winning Corvette roadster worth about 50 or more resale Marriotts?

Or you could go to the Clenet website and ask the present owner of Badged # 155 who he bought it from from.If you do not know what a klenet is then you are not aware of some of the finer things like a Clenet worth many times what a Marriots resale for. Or we could send you a picture of it.

You may have seen a Clenet but not known what it is. It was produced in Santa Barara and soul singer A. Franklin had one at one time. If you go to that site you would see a few of famous owners own them.

Our our Deck boats or jet skis and snowmobiles. Our everyday rides are a 2011 Chrysler van and a extended GMC Denalie. The van was bought because it has fold down seats for our 2 Great Danes

In your case if your Marriott is such a big thing in your life It's perfectly OK to not have the money for the finer things in life like a year round home on the lake, a classic prize winning Corvett or a Clenet and at one time 4 Corvettes in the driveway before we down sized to travel more , really it is...don't be so defensive about it.

But your outrage in your post taking umbridge at my "Bigger and glizy is not our type of vacation and we do not need it to validate our self worth." is to say the least interesting.


I will get back to vacationing unless the Team Marriott mob wants to sling mud but IMHO most of it lands on them.

Bruce

 

[dioxide45]

Would you like when I get home to send you a picture of my Classic 65 prize winning Corvette roadster worth about 50 or more resale Marriotts?

All of a sudden you now have a need to validate your self worth?

The dribble is actually getting comical.

 

[MOXJO7282]

Are your first class flights a direct function of ownership, or of stays in Marriott properties, and using a rewards card for purchases? And/or also partially due to buying from developer? If what you have accomplished with first class flights could not have been accomplished via the same or lower cost via buying resale or exchanging, and applying the differential from a developr purchase toward first class flights, then that would indeed be a reason to love your Marriott.

First off I've only bought 4 of the 15 I've owned direct from Marriott the last being my MOW July 4th week in 2004.

And although it makes the Marriott haters blood boil I make no apologies and have no regrets for buying direct when I did because back then resales were far and few between, resale prices were certainly much higher than today if you did see something , direct prices weren't yet obscene and Marriott was giving a ton of points away that in turn converted to incredibly valuable travel packages.

Since then most of my points come from business and pleasure stays, but a big chunk just from playing my MFs with my Marriott Visa.

Besides if you knew my whole story you would see how off base Bruce comments really are. I purchased all my direct purchases with 0% credit cards and played that game to perfection to own something we never could've afforded otherwise so I've never advocated buying direct I just stated what I did. I actually manipulated the system to get to where I am. One thing lead to another and now I own 11 Marriott units.

I'm just a working class stiff raising a family who found a way to travel large with free money. Its well documented as I've been with TUG for some time.

Back then I couldn't afford resale let alone direct or 1st class to Maui, not on our budget. I figured out a way to buy something using the banks money that generated enough to pay for itself and thensome, and even created airfare that I couldn't afford. Quite honestly I just stumbled on my system.

I bought our first Maui in 2002 for $39k, with a Marriott Visa (back then they let you do the whole thing on credit card for big points) and then balance transfer 12 month 0% thinking at some point I'll flip it to a HELOC.

The 2nd year of ownership when we couldn't go I put it up on ebay and made almost 3k profit above MFs!! It was the easiest money I ever made.

I did another Maui purchase the same way, and then to me the best deal ever that I kick myself for not buying more, our Aruba Surf Club purchase in 2003. The initial pricing and points offering was unbelievable. Then 2004 MOW plat + week the exact same way.

By then the cat was out of the bag and Marriott just stopped giving points and their pricing just skyrocketed so direct purchases never made sense again, IMHO.

Since then I juggled probably 6-10 0% credit cards to pay down my ownership, never having to take out a personal loan of any kind or even 2nd mortgage that was always my fall back if my system crashed and burned.

It didn't and 10 years later rentals are stronger than ever because AND THIS IS THE KEY - because Marriott is a great product that is tremendously popular and many, many people just love them so that the demand is so high it is still easy to rent my spare weeks for MF+.

I don't believe any other TS company could have done for me what Marriott has done.

I never said it was for everyone but for those that wanted the same I've always detailed my success here in TUG for their sake and people like Bruce always chime in.

This is an age old argument that I remember having in year one of my ownership with people whose names I haven't seen in awhile were just like Bruce is today.

I only hope that their words are in some way all in good debate because I certainly don't mean to ever make someone feel bad and usually show good restraint when called names although I do get defenseive at times because this argument does get old.

That's my story and why I still love my Marriotts!!

 

[MOXJO7282]

My guess is that it is several things. You can earn points from Marriott hotel stays, through their credit card, buying stuff online, or buying points from Marriott at $0.0125 per point. Anyone can do that.

However, the bulk of points that Marriott owners can earn come from trading a week in for Marriott Reward points. Until 6/20/10 only developer TS purchasers could get those. Now resale owners that have enrolled in the DC program get that benefit too.

Now this is on topic that provides another reason I love my Marriotts. We get 82k MAR points from our annual MF payment with Mar Visa alone, so with just that we can get a great travel package every 4th year.

In actuality we secure enough MAR points with stays and whatnot that every other year we have enough for a travel package. IMHO that is a nice little return.

 

[brucecz]

All of a sudden you now have a need to validate your self worth?

The dribble is actually getting comical.

No, I do not feel a need to validate self worth and start the mudsling in regards what someone can afford like she did as your fellow Team Marriott member.


Yes your dribble is sad and not comical as long as you bought it up as it was on her pa

Marriott owners like her who post that type of junkI do not let those wrong statements go unchallaged. I see you offer no facts just the sameo sameo non factual post

Maybe her Marriott is the biggest asset in her life she might have. I do not know or do not care, it is her problem.

Of course Marriott owners will stick up each other despite the facts . It is a herd Team :rofl: Marriott.

Of course the real Team Marriott was the group who sold deleveloper weeks to some here that in some cases but not all cases resell for 10% of what they sold them for. Newport is at about the 25% mark if you check the ebay. completed sales if you want true facts what they are worth.
That is a great investment according to Joe.

Hopefully you Team Marriotter's will let go and stop the mudslinding as I would like to have not to respond to non factural cheap shops.

Enjoy your Marriotts like I do and thanks for paying to build them.

Bruce

 

[dioxide45]

No, I do not feel a need to validate self worth and start the mudsling in regards what someone can afford like she did as your fellow Team Marriott member.

If you didn't feel the need to validate your self worth, why did you come back with the response you did? Lets stick to the statements and keep away from the rhetoric.

 

[ilene13]

How about if we just end this thread. Enough is enough. Those of us with Marriott timeshares love them--and those with other timeshares love them also.

 

[GregT]

Ilene,

I'm trying to end this thread -- I've sent two posts to Moderators asking for them to moderate. I would take an end to this thread.

Whatever the motives of the people who hi-jacked this thread, I will never understand.

But I still love my Marriott timeshares!

Thread hi-jackers not so much right now. And missing our TUG moderators...

Best,

Greg

 

[Beefnot]

Now this is on topic that provides another reason I love my Marriotts. We get 82k MAR points from our annual MF payment with Mar Visa alone, so with just that we can get a great travel package every 4th year.

In actuality we secure enough MAR points with stays and whatnot that every other year we have enough for a travel package. IMHO that is a nice little return.

Is there any point premium for paying Marriot MFs with the MAR card vs. paying my non-Mar MFs with a MAR card, or a premium for Marriott stays as an owner vs. Marriott stays as an exchanger? If so, that may figure into whether I jump back into Marriott ownership.

 

[dioxide45]

Is there any point premium for paying Marriot MFs with the MAR card vs. paying my non-Mar MFs with a MAR card, or a premium for Marriott stays as an owner vs. Marriott stays as an exchanger? If so, that may figure into whether I jump back into Marriott ownership.

Marriott purchases made to the Marriott Rewards credit card earn five (or three) points per dollar spend. Maintenance fee payments count as a Marriott purchase. So $10,000 in MF purchases could earn someone 50,000 points. Non Marriott owners would only get one point per dollar if paying their MF with the Marriott Rewards credit card.

 

[Aviator621]

Thread hi-jackers not so much right now. And missing our TUG moderators...

Greg, thanks for trying to start what at the time was a very enjoyable thread. I'm sad for you that it changed in to this. And I'm REALLY missing Dave M right about now...

 

[Karen G]

How about if we just end this thread. Enough is enough. Those of us with Marriott timeshares love them--and those with other timeshares love them also.

What a great idea!

Honestly, having taken the time to read all the pages of this thread, I think one could easily have substituted "why I love my Grand Mayan/Grupo Mayan timeshare" and gotten into some real Mexican mudslinging like we've seen on the Mexico forum in the past. . . . but, PLEASE don't do that!