The importance of peer review

[Ken555]

With the numerous articles and videos published quickly in recent months about C19, it seems many people are skipping the part that says they were not yet peer reviewed. This means that most of them are wrong or incomplete, if history is any guide. With this in mind, I thought it wise to remind everyone that all these documents we are reading, sharing, and believing in may be completely wrong. The same is especially true for the videos we see on YouTube.

From UC Berkeley:

Scrutinizing science: Peer review

undsci.berkeley.edu

Peer review does the same thing for science that the "inspected by #7" sticker does for your t-shirt: provides assurance that someone who knows what they're doing has double-checked it.

From the NIH:

Peer Review in Scientific Publications: Benefits, Critiques, & A Survival Guide - PMC

Peer review has been defined as a process of subjecting an author’s scholarly work, research or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field. It functions to encourage authors to meet the accepted high standards of their ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Peer review has been defined as a process of subjecting an author’s scholarly work, research or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field. It functions to encourage authors to meet the accepted high standards of their discipline and to control the dissemination of research data to ensure that unwarranted claims, unacceptable interpretations or personal views are not published without prior expert review.

Summary of the process:

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[WVBaker]

Simply because an article or video, when compared to a scientific publication, doesn't note a peer review proclamation, does not make it "wrong or incomplete".
You do understand you're comparing the proverbial apples to oranges?

Katie Everson does have quite the talent though.

 

[PigsDad]

Great. So you are saying anything you say is "wrong or incomplete". Sounds good to me!

Kurt

 

[Makai Guy]

Simply because an article or video, when compared to a scientific publication, doesn't note a peer review proclamation, does not make it "wrong or incomplete".

No, not citing peer review does not make it wrong. But it does make it unsubstantiated and therefore should not be blindly accepted as correct.

 

[TravelTime]

Good graphic to show the process of getting through a peer review. Just to keep this in perspective, with Covid being so new, there has not yet been enough time to get through peer review.

 

[WVBaker]

No, not citing peer review does not make it wrong. But it does make it unsubstantiated and therefore should not be blindly accepted as correct.

Nor should it be blindly discounted as incorrect.

 

[Ken555]

Nor should it be blindly discounted as incorrect.

It appears that with ~80% (I will try to find time to substantiate that estimate later) of articles requiring adjustment during peer review, it should indicate to us all that most are incomplete. This does not mean they are wrong; however, it should be sufficient to cause you to question them.


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[Ken555]

Great. So you are saying anything you say is "wrong or incomplete". Sounds good to me!

Kurt

Kurt,

I’ve always thought that the lack of peer review was a concern. It’s taken us two months of confusion to get to the point we can discuss this issue with perspective.

Still, I suspect that it doesn’t matter what I say, nor how many scientists agree with it...you still might not believe it.

All the best,
Ken


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[DannyTS]

Let's not forget that virtually everything we knew about Covid 19 at the beginning (including the famous models) was not peer reviewed. The pace of information has been so fast that most of what we know even now has not been properly reviewed.

 

[Old Hickory]

The flaw in this thread is in comparing internet blogs/articles/video (that we can all see) to industry/scientifically published papers and lectures (that are behind firewalls) for peer consideration.

Apples. Oranges.

 

[bluehende]

The flaw in this thread is in comparing internet blogs/articles/video (that we can all see) to industry/scientifically published papers and lectures (that are behind firewalls) for peer consideration.

Apples. Oranges.

In about 1 minute I found the 3 papers I wrote and none were behind a paywall.

 

[Ken555]

Let's not forget that virtually everything we knew about Covid 19 at the beginning (including the famous models) was not peer reviewed. The pace of information has been so fast that most of what we know even now has not been properly reviewed.

I suppose it wasn’t obvious, but that is the singular reason why I started this thread.


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[WVBaker]

It appears that with ~80% (I will try to find time to substantiate that estimate later) of articles requiring adjustment during peer review, it should indicate to us all that most are incomplete. This does not mean they are wrong; however, it should be sufficient to cause you to question them.


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Believe half of what see, none of what you read and everything I say.

 

[Ken555]

Believe half of what see, none of what you read and everything I say.

Yup, I thought that was the rule. Thanks for confirming it!


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[PigsDad]

Still, I suspect that it doesn’t matter what I say, nor how many scientists agree with it...you still might not believe it.

Maybe you missed the "" ?

Cheers!
Kurt

 

[Ken555]

Maybe you missed the "" ?

Cheers!
Kurt

Did you miss the ?




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[PigsDad]

Did you miss the ?

Looked like the "censored" emoji to me ( ), and certainly didn't look like any kind of smiley face. You must have a different set of emoji's.

Kurt

 

[Ken555]

Looked like the "censored" emoji to me ( ), and certainly didn't look like any kind of smiley face. You must have a different set of emoji's.

Kurt

No worries.


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[WVBaker]

No worries.


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It's Soul Goodman

"Better Call Saul"

 

[Ken555]

Now that’s done with and we’re all friends again... let’s focus on the importance of peer review, eh? If you want to joke, please see my Stay At Home Humor thread.


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[Brett]

I also believe in science -- and peer reviewed science