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The end of timshare exit team

Obviously Ramsey should show remorse for helping his fans become victims but I think people are giving his "team" too much credit. The government didnt for a while or still hasnt (who knows) shut this guy down so what does someone espect from a vetting team that is also looking to bring in ad revenue?
 
Perhaps, but I don't see it happening. Too much scrutiny if their names show up on any timeshare related outfits. I don't think we have seen Sumday pop back up after the couple years they have been shut down.
Did Sumday do anything directly or did they get caught up in the mis-dealings of another company?
 
Would this thread be better suited in the General Forum rather than the Wyndham-specific forum since, it appears, TSET had victims customers from many different TS companies? :shrug:
 
Just ask Dave Ramsey how he feels and I but you he answers with "Better than I deserve".
 
Just ask Dave Ramsey how he feels and I bet you he answers with "Better than I deserve".

If so, he would be absolutely correct, IMnsHO. ;)
 
I saw the commercial for Timeshare Exit Team on TBN and wrote them immediately, this was right about the time that Dave Ramsey was getting blowback from advertising for the company. I wrote once, got no response from TBN, even as a person who donates to their station. I did say that Dave Ramsey was in hot water with listeners over it. Never saw the commercial again at the time I watch.

Then I saw another timeshare exit company advertising on TBN about 3 months ago and decided they must be awfully hard up for advertisers and didn't bother to send another message. I should have.
 
Next to go should be the 'upfront dollars' advertising companies that convince sellers to pay up front for their ads while giving them expectations their highly inflated (vs. real resale market) prices will get them all or most of their money back. Just had a prospect pay the big company $4,000 up front; they advertised about about 300% of what it would sell for but they got their money.
 
I'm no attorney, but I do have a Delaware LLC for my real estate business, and my general understanding is that provided tortious liability can be proven - under certain circumstances the general partners and/or limited partners for the LLC can still be held personally liable:

I'm no attorney either, but I have worked with a lot of lawyers on cases. To the extent that the principals are/were also employees of the LLC, their tortious actions leave them liable to suit in their personal capacities despite the corporate veil of the LLC. In addition, to the extent that their actions can be shown to have violated the "business judgment" rule, they might be liable personally as director/manager/owners of the LLC despite the veil.
 
Next to go should be the 'upfront dollars' advertising companies that convince sellers to pay up front for their ads while giving them expectations their highly inflated (vs. real resale market) prices will get them all or most of their money back. Just had a prospect pay the big company $4,000 up front; they advertised about about 300% of what it would sell for but they got their money.


I agree. The best way to get them out of business would be to starve them out of existence. But, as long as TS owners keep paying these upfront fee resale scam companies, these companies will continue to rake in millions.

Unfortunately, the authorities seem to have bigger fish to fry than upfront fee resale scammers. Besides, a lot of these resale scammers originate in Mexico.
 
Ramsey is supposedly money smart yet his endorsement has led to many of his listeners getting fleeced by this company. I would guess that the company closed up with millions of dollars in unreimbursed money. I would also guess that Ramsey will never apologize to his listeners.
Ditto - not likely Ramsey will apologize
 
I believe this should be taken up by Congress and a Federal Law or rule be established that will eliminate these companies, making the up front charges illegal. Companies that only charge a fee after the timeshare is transferred from the owner could stay in business, but I doubt there would be many of those.
 
To admit fault requires humility - which based upon my observations of Dave Ramsey comes in very short supply. Interesting when we consider him to be a professing Christian - given humility is central to the Christian faith. This critique is coming from a fellow believer just to be clear, perhaps I hold him to a higher standard as a result.

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+1 - I have had his books on my shelf for years and his financial peace stuff helped us a lot at another point in our lives, but, just threw them out this week (before I read these posts) having watched his behaviour in a couple of other circumstance - and how he was treating his employees. Warren Buffet said "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it."
 
+1 - I have had his books on my shelf for years and his financial peace stuff helped us a lot at another point in our lives, but, just threw them out this week (before I read these posts) having watched his behaviour in a couple of other circumstance - and how he was treating his employees. Warren Buffet said "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it."
+1 - I have had his books on my shelf for years and his financial peace stuff helped us a lot at another point in our lives, but, just threw them out this week (before I read these posts) having watched his behaviour in a couple of other circumstance - and how he was treating his employees. Warren Buffet said "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it."
It is liked an excellent manager in retail over a 20 years period of working, you have never received one bad review. But today you received one bad review phone call and everyone in upper management are ruining your reputation. :mad:
 
Wesley Financial Group is still in the exit timeshare business, just saw a commercial on a local tv channel.
Yep. Here in the Delaware Valley - Philly market, WFG advertises on radio and occasionally in TV. Lone Star on radio. There was a flurry of activity last year, seems to have diminished of late.
 
His program addresses the core concern of indebtedness here in the US, which is a very valid concern, but IME he becomes overly focused on certain concepts that he doesn't agree with to the detriment of other core concepts that could provide balance, and therefore becomes blind to a more balanced approach in the process. Timesharing is a good example - he rails against timesharing in any and all forms - and therefore attached himself and his organization to a timeshare exit company without performing proper due diligence - advising many of his clients that were in turn duped into losing money in the process. This isn't the first time something like this has occurred with Ramsey.

Bigger picture I've always felt his concepts also largely fail to take into account the time value of money and compound interest/valuations over the long term, substituting these important concepts with an almost singular focus on debt retirement. Again, his concepts have value and he is not wrong with respect to the US consumer's predilection toward consumer debt which hinders personal wealth creation and belays fiscal discipline, but he also fails to recognize that a more balanced approach to using debt strategically for asset acquisitions over the long term that build real wealth is just as important as debt retirement (such as rental properties or other real estate or alternative investments). That said, for folks who have very little fiscal discipline and little to no ability to apply common sense to finances - his program proves very useful. I suppose it's easier for me to see the weaknesses in his system because I went to school for finance and securities analysis, with dual minors in economics and psychology, and have studied economics for most of my life.
Excellent observation. The sad fact, and I dare say, most non-professional finance people are ignorant of economics, finance and the factors that affect business activity. It sets them up for a world of hurt. Sadder still is that even a graduate degree does not immunize against being taken advantage of by unscrupulous operators simply because these sales operators use the psychology of human behavior as applied to marketing that has the effect of nullifying common sense and logical appraisal of facts and reality. People want to feel good about purchasing their TS. When they no longer want it, they want to feel equally good. Both scenarios are a set up for the sales pitch and we are vulnerable.

As you note, people like Ramsey (I would also include Orman) primarily address people in debt who live beyond their means and are in financial hell. He gives sound advice on how to get out of debt but doesn't focus much on preventative strategies to avoid getting into trouble in the first place. It is unbelievable that Ramsey endorsed TET, but your explanation makes sense.
 
Yep. Here in the Delaware Valley - Philly market, WFG advertises on radio and occasionally in TV. Lone Star on radio. There was a flurry of activity last year, seems to have diminished of late.

I also noticed the increased frequency of WFG advertisements particularly during the early onset of the pandemic timeline. It does seem to have abated a bit over the last few months in comparison.


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I canceled my AARP membership because they started carrying full page ads by WFG very near the front of the magazine. You couldn’t miss it. I sent them an email first, telling them why I thought AARP shouldn’t carry their advertising, and their reply was, basically, “if you want to cancel, that’s fine.”
 
I canceled my AARP membership because they started carrying full page ads by WFG very near the front of the magazine. You couldn’t miss it. I sent them an email first, telling them why I thought AARP shouldn’t carry their advertising, and their reply was, basically, “if you want to cancel, that’s fine.”
I do not believe I've ever seen an article in the AARP magazine warning their members to be aware of companies that prey on TS owners. I emailed them a few years ago to suggest they contact Brian Rodgers at TUG and obtain the information to do a short article. AAPR is a giant organization supposedly to benefit seniors. I suspect it is only interested in being paid by companies to advertise and get their endorsement.
 
Next to go should be the 'upfront dollars' advertising companies that convince sellers to pay up front for their ads while giving them expectations their highly inflated (vs. real resale market) prices will get them all or most of their money back. <snip>

It would certainly be fine with me if SMTN just disappeared, but I frankly don't see that ever happening. People knowingly, willingly and voluntarily (and endlessly) choose to pay SMTN big upfront money, to place an obscure listing on a site that few will ever see, asking a price that fewer still would ever consider paying.

That is opportunism by SMTN, to be sure --- but is it in any way unlawful? I am inclined to think not. It frankly seems to me that consumers should exercise some minimal effort to easily learn the true resale market value of a timeshare they want to part with --- that value might very well be close to zero. Instead, people get those (completely unfounded) big dollar signs in their eyes and heads, hastily reaching for the checkbook (or credit card). IMnsHO, those folks are not "victims" and they bear some personal responsibility for their own (...and let's be honest, sometimes greed-driven) choice to pay big upfront bucks to the likes of SMTN. :shrug:
 
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I agree, and as the CEO of his company he is responsible for the actions of the staff working for him and the procedures they use to vetting sponsors.
Totally agree. Even if his staff or team did it, it's his name, his reputation, he is human too so if he had apologized and said he made a mistake of recommending them, I would have respected him more.
 
I suspect this is because so many people do not understand---and, more importantly, do not want to understand---that TVoM is a thing. Focusing on debt keeps it simpler and is something that more people might be able to grok.
Not to divert from the subject at hand -- but, I must say, 'Grok' is a term I have not heard for a long time -- and oh so appropriate for this thread!
 
and in a fascinating twist, I saw on another timeshare page that an individual reached out to dave ramsey for exit help on their westgate timeshare and was referred to newton group transfers (another upfront fee exit company).

wonder if he checked them out too!!
 
and in a fascinating twist, I saw on another timeshare page that an individual reached out to dave ramsey for exit help on their westgate timeshare and was referred to newton group transfers (another upfront fee exit company).

wonder if he checked them out too!!
OMG A few years ago I was getting calls almost daily from the Newton Group regarding my timeshare which I no longer owned. I had sold it on my own to another TUGGER just prior to their persistent phone calls. That was in 21016.
 
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