• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 31 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 31st anniversary: Happy 31st Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $23,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $23 Million dollars
  • Wish you could meet up with other TUG members? Well look no further as this annual event has been going on for years in Orlando! How to Attend the TUG January Get-Together!
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    Tens of thousands of subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

The Drones - NJ (and elsewhere) Drone "Sightings"

Brett

Guest
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
9,935
Reaction score
5,445
Location
Coastal Virginia
Someone who is a Facebook friend is stating that the Government is intentionally covering up something. He is also trying to convince others that this could be the work of an enemy country and that there is a link between the “drones” and 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. This isn’t sarcasm as he is 100% serious. I am rethinking this friending on Facebook. My opinion is that some people think way too highly on what the Government is actually capable of doing.


Of course, but a majority of Americans now get their 'news' from social media !


Drones over New Jersey show evidence of lack of intelligent life on Earth
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/...an-amusing-social-media-creation/77046495007/
 

Patri

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
7,007
Reaction score
4,609
Mainstream media is not reliable either.
 

keno999

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2018
Messages
183
Reaction score
169
Location
Virginia
Resorts Owned
Club Wyndham
Worldmark
Morritt's Grand Tortuga
The balloon, it was as much that we did nothing. Do you think if we should send such a balloon over China, they would just wave as it went by? Time will tell about the drones.
We don't need to send balloons over China to see what's going on.
 

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Lifetime Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
50,990
Reaction score
22,489
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grande Vista
Marriott Harbour Lake
Sheraton Vistana Villages
Club Wyndham CWA

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Lifetime Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
50,990
Reaction score
22,489
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grande Vista
Marriott Harbour Lake
Sheraton Vistana Villages
Club Wyndham CWA
Traditional media outlets are far more reliable than the useless swill swirling around on social media.
I would question that. Community notes in X regularly correct misinformation and bogus drone reports posted there. Also, here on TUG, people are quick to come along and provide correct information. In traditional media the headline story that is later proven wrong is on the front page, the correction is buried on page 10.
 

x3 skier

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
5,352
Reaction score
2,378
Location
Ohio and Colorado
Resorts Owned
Steamboat Grand, The West,
Raintree and, formerly, The Allen House
They are actually aircraft piloted by Clowns from the past. They are transporting new Clowns around New Jersey. Expect a new rash of Clown Hysteria similar to 2016 to break out soon.
 

jp10558

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2022
Messages
1,653
Reaction score
1,132
Location
Southern Tier NY
Resorts Owned
HGVC Seaworld
Wyndham Smoky Mountains
Foxrun Lake Lure
I would question that. Community notes in X regularly correct misinformation and bogus drone reports posted there. Also, here on TUG, people are quick to come along and provide correct information. In traditional media the headline story that is later proven wrong is on the front page, the correction is buried on page 10.
I wouldn't trust anything on X for all sorts of reasons, primarily because there's no expectation of any filter before something is posted. Institutional reporting usually tries to validate a story before running it to limit the need for corrections.

Bot account 144456563 doesn't have a reputation to protect. Within the scope of the existing reputation of actual media institutions, whether legacy print, TV, radio or otherwise or online tend to have some reporting guidelines.

I would bet the actual numbers of misguided, false, or propaganda posted on X or social media in general is orders of magnitude higher than that in any traditional media. Also, I tend to think traditional media can triangulate on national level stories in a way that you really can't on social media. If CNN, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, and Fox all agree a thing happened, I'd put high confidence that thing actually happened. It's just important to pay attention to the reporting - traditional media is often reporting that people on social media are posting about a thing and are freaking out. This is rather objectively true in this case, but doesn't mean the actual thing is a real thing, or anything to be worried about. If I had my druthers, I'd stop paying so much attention to "what randos post on social media" outside of lifestyle opinion pieces.
 

isisdave

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
2,808
Reaction score
1,342
Location
Evansville IN
Resorts Owned
Marriott Waiohai
In the early days of the drone-sighting reports, there were assertions that some were "the size of an SUV." I haven't heard anything recently about the size of any of these, and as someone pointed out, it's nearly impossible to tell the size of something in the sky, especially at night, without some reference to tell you how far up it is.

I am rather puzzled though that there hasn't been more transparency about what's being done to identify at least the 100 that warranted further investigation. Drones are supposed to be registered, and although there are millions, I doubt there are very many larger than a bathtub.

Also, are all the mysterious flights at night? what percentage are reported during daylight? If there are x drones operated at night with running lights, how many additional ones are being operated with running lights disabled?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Lifetime Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
50,990
Reaction score
22,489
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grande Vista
Marriott Harbour Lake
Sheraton Vistana Villages
Club Wyndham CWA
I wouldn't trust anything on X for all sorts of reasons, primarily because there's no expectation of any filter before something is posted. Institutional reporting usually tries to validate a story before running it to limit the need for corrections.

Bot account 144456563 doesn't have a reputation to protect. Within the scope of the existing reputation of actual media institutions, whether legacy print, TV, radio or otherwise or online tend to have some reporting guidelines.

I would bet the actual numbers of misguided, false, or propaganda posted on X or social media in general is orders of magnitude higher than that in any traditional media. Also, I tend to think traditional media can triangulate on national level stories in a way that you really can't on social media. If CNN, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, and Fox all agree a thing happened, I'd put high confidence that thing actually happened. It's just important to pay attention to the reporting - traditional media is often reporting that people on social media are posting about a thing and are freaking out. This is rather objectively true in this case, but doesn't mean the actual thing is a real thing, or anything to be worried about. If I had my druthers, I'd stop paying so much attention to "what randos post on social media" outside of lifestyle opinion pieces.
I certainly don't trust the photos and videos posted to X. That said, reading the followup replies that debunk them are mostly factual. The problem is that much of what the traditional media is posting is the same stuff I see on X. Also, much of what the traditional media posts is interviews with people who did not have direct sightings. All mostly hearsay. Another problem with traditional media is there is rarely anyone there to provide any additional context. You have to take it at face value. You get only their story.
 
Last edited:

x3 skier

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
5,352
Reaction score
2,378
Location
Ohio and Colorado
Resorts Owned
Steamboat Grand, The West,
Raintree and, formerly, The Allen House
Also, are all the mysterious flights at night? what percentage are reported during daylight? If there are x drones operated at night with running lights, how many additional ones are being operated with running lights disabled?

Inquiring minds want to know.
IMNSHO, there’s zero reports because in the daylight, a) you can’t see the stars, b) you can’t see the navigation lights and anti-collision lights on an airliner thousands of feet up or anything else flying for that manner. c) you probably can’t see a drone more than a couple of 100 yards away and d) people can’t get a picture of anything they might see as a drone anyway.
 

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Lifetime Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
50,990
Reaction score
22,489
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grande Vista
Marriott Harbour Lake
Sheraton Vistana Villages
Club Wyndham CWA
IMNSHO, there’s zero reports because in the daylight, a) you can’t see the stars, b) you can’t see the navigation lights and anti-collision lights on an airliner thousands of feet up or anything else flying for that manner. c) you probably can’t see a drone more than a couple of 100 yards away and d) people can’t get a picture of anything they might see as a drone anyway.
That's just it. The same stuff is happening during daylight hours, people just aren't seeing it because of all the reasons you mention.
 

jp10558

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2022
Messages
1,653
Reaction score
1,132
Location
Southern Tier NY
Resorts Owned
HGVC Seaworld
Wyndham Smoky Mountains
Foxrun Lake Lure
That said, reading the followup replies that debunk them are mostly factual.
In this case, maybe you can determine that. In most cases, all I could reliably get from something like X is whatever the popular opinion is that the algorithm wants me to see.
The problem is that much of what the traditional media is posting is the same stuff I see on X.
This is one thing that I think really has hurt traditional media - the belief that X is newsworthy or that whatever is trending on X should be reported on. If you're a news org that's quoting X on anything other than "what randos think", you're failing. And this certainly shouldn't be a common part of your reporting.
Also, much of what the traditional media posts is interviews with people who did not have direct sightings. All mostly hearsay.
This has always been a problem - I guess it sells papers, but I have no idea why the news orgs felt it made sense to run stories sourced as "My neighbors uncle's friends cousin saw the UFO, yup for reals". The thing is we're comparing it to the online equivalent of a person sitting at a random bar rambling at you.
Another problem with traditional media is there is rarely anyone there to provide any additional context. You have to take it at face value. You get only their story.
I don't know what sort of context you'd expect - the entire point of the service is to source news and provide potential experts to give context. If you don't trust them to do that, that's why you watch a couple services to see the consensus or to find out there's actually no consensus. And at least some news stories on like WaPo have comments under them so you can see what others think, and there's entire sections of like reddit, mastadon, probably X etc of people posting news stories and then commenting.

I just can't come up with a reason why the starting point of X would be more well verified than say ABC news.
 
  • Love
Reactions: Tia

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Lifetime Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
50,990
Reaction score
22,489
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grande Vista
Marriott Harbour Lake
Sheraton Vistana Villages
Club Wyndham CWA
In this case, maybe you can determine that. In most cases, all I could reliably get from something like X is whatever the popular opinion is that the algorithm wants me to see.

This is one thing that I think really has hurt traditional media - the belief that X is newsworthy or that whatever is trending on X should be reported on. If you're a news org that's quoting X on anything other than "what randos think", you're failing. And this certainly shouldn't be a common part of your reporting.

This has always been a problem - I guess it sells papers, but I have no idea why the news orgs felt it made sense to run stories sourced as "My neighbors uncle's friends cousin saw the UFO, yup for reals". The thing is we're comparing it to the online equivalent of a person sitting at a random bar rambling at you.

I don't know what sort of context you'd expect - the entire point of the service is to source news and provide potential experts to give context. If you don't trust them to do that, that's why you watch a couple services to see the consensus or to find out there's actually no consensus. And at least some news stories on like WaPo have comments under them so you can see what others think, and there's entire sections of like reddit, mastadon, probably X etc of people posting news stories and then commenting.

I just can't come up with a reason why the starting point of X would be more well verified than say ABC news.
You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that I am relying on X for news. Also realize that many news outlets post their stories to X. I don't know why you think that. My point is in regard only to these "sightings". X is doing a far better job at correcting the misinformation than traditional news.
 

nomoretslt

Guest
Joined
Aug 2, 2017
Messages
635
Reaction score
666
@jp10558 you really don’t have insight into the rigorous training law enforcement goes thru. And the things they face on a daily basis (speeding tickets and donuts are just part of it). It’s not even worth my time to comment further.
@Patri exactly. They knew what that thing was even before it entered Alaska’s airspace. Think about that. For 8 days it meandered across the country…lots of uninhabited wide open spaces where it could have been eliminated. It flew over a good many military places too. Ridiculous.
The airport in Newburg, NY had to be shut down a few days ago due to unauthorized drone activity. What the news reports failed to mention is that Stewart Air National Guard base is adjacent to it.I don’t like any f this.
Have a wonderful Christmas and a joyous New Year
everyone. I’m really looking forward to 2025.
 

Brett

Guest
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
9,935
Reaction score
5,445
Location
Coastal Virginia
You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that I am relying on X for news. Also realize that many news outlets post their stories to X. I don't know why you think that. My point is in regard only to these "sightings". X is doing a far better job at correcting the misinformation than traditional news.


Nope. Traditional "news" generally does a far better job correcting the misinformation on "X" and other social media sites

One particular social media influencer in Florida keeps fanning the drone flames !

drones.jpg


https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/17/online-drone-panic/
 
Last edited:

SmithOp

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2010
Messages
8,008
Reaction score
3,905
Location
Huntington Beach, CA
Resorts Owned
HGVC King's Land 2BR Premier 23.040K Points.
Grand Pacific Seapointe EOY Odd
I'm glad I don't have accounts on X or TikTok, it's bad enough the dreck on FB that's sensationalized to get clicks and likes. I'm tired of hearing about drones.

I only do FB to see family pictures and videos like my great niece playing softball catcher and going beast mode now wrestling boys and winning.

Having been in the military and working in State govt agency I'm also in the camp that doesn't think the government is sharp enough to pull off some of these conspiracy theories.
 

easyrider

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2005
Messages
16,523
Reaction score
9,211
Location
Palm Springs of Washinton
Resorts Owned
Worldmark * * Villa Del Palmar UVCI * * Vacation Internationale*
My opinion is that some of the drones are just people using drones and others are for official use. The Military and Federal Government knows where these drones are coming and going to and bust unauthorized users regularly.

Bill
 

Patri

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
7,007
Reaction score
4,609

easyrider

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2005
Messages
16,523
Reaction score
9,211
Location
Palm Springs of Washinton
Resorts Owned
Worldmark * * Villa Del Palmar UVCI * * Vacation Internationale*
Nope. Traditional "news" generally does a far better job correcting the misinformation on "X" and other social media sites

The only news I believe is our local weather report and local news. I like YouTube and x for news. Many of the news outlets are on YouTube and x so why anyone has a problem with either is interesting.

Bill
 

geist1223

TUG Member
Joined
May 20, 2015
Messages
6,384
Reaction score
6,222
Location
Salem Oregon
Resorts Owned
Worldmark 97,000 Credits
DRI Cabo Azul 50,500
Royal Solaris San Jose del Cabo
Even local News/Weather gets it wrong. I remember during a major winter storm several years ago the Head Weather Forecaster for the local ABC Station was defending herself: "we never get I wrong, but our timing may be off." This was after the storm came in many hours earlier than predicted and kids were caught in school.
 

Superchief

TUG Member
Joined
May 6, 2009
Messages
4,181
Reaction score
3,149
Location
Cincinnati, OH
Even local News/Weather gets it wrong. I remember during a major winter storm several years ago the Head Weather Forecaster for the local ABC Station was defending herself: "we never get I wrong, but our timing may be off." This was after the storm came in many hours earlier than predicted and kids were caught in school.
I still recall when we had a major snowstorm when I lived in Raleigh. The weather person kept saying 'little or no accumulation' when there were already 6+ in of snow on the ground. I guess they never looked out the window. The governor said that roads were in great condition and being plowed and showed videos of the area around the capital building. However, many major roads were impassable for days. We were fortunate to live in a new development so the builders used their construction equipment to plow the neighborhood streets.
 

pedro47

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
23,143
Reaction score
9,306
Location
East Coast
I personally disliked any types of drones; our military can tell the difference between a military drone, a recreational drone and a commercial drone. IMHO
 
Last edited:
Top