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Talking about Tivo...

RonB

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We have not upgraded our tv or cable service to digital or hd yet. When viewing a recorded program from Tivo, it's very low quality, no matter what quality recording level I choose. I understand that this is a function of the digital recording process. My question is: will Tivo'ed programs look better when the source is digital, or when viewed on a digital or hd tv?
Thanx,
Ron
 
RonB said:
We have not upgraded our tv or cable service to digital or hd yet. When viewing a recorded program from Tivo, it's very low quality, no matter what quality recording level I choose. I understand that this is a function of the digital recording process. My question is: will Tivo'ed programs look better when the source is digital, or when viewed on a digital or hd tv?
Thanx,
Ron

We have TiVo through DirecTV and the picure quality is the same as watching a "live" program.

Now if I could just get the better half to stop monopolizing our TV's by taping every one of those STUPID reality TV showS... I'll be happy!:mad:


Kevin
 
I use medium quality for my tivo recordings and the picture is very good. On my 27" Sony standard def tube tv, it's indistinguishable from live tv. It doesn't matter if the source is an analog or digital cable channel.

You should be getting good quality recordings from Tivo. What sort of tv are you using?

So you need to do a bit of troubleshooting to figure out where the problems is.

First, make sure your tv picture looks good without tivo. If it doesn't, call your cable company and have them fix that. If it does, check your cabling between all the components. Use the best connections you can, in decreasing order: s-video + audio, video + audio, coax.

-David
 
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Standalone Tivo:

When recording analog signals ("normal" tv using internal standard broadcast tuner, or signals decoded by an external box and sent to the Tivo as analog signals) the Tivo must digitize the signal in order to record it. You choose the image quality to use when digitizing the signal. Better qualtity takes up more disk space, so it's a tradeoff according to your personal tastes, and how things look on your particlular TV setup. You can generally get away with viewing lower quality on smaller tv screens.

DirecTV Tivo:

Records the digital data stream from the satellite but does not decode it into analog until you play it back. Thus you get the identical playback quality as if you had watched it "live". No provisions for digitizing other analog signals, so no inputs for analog signals from other sources.

In BOTH cases, you generally have several options on how to hook up the output of the unit to your tv. Use the highest quality option that is supported by your tv.

RF output - internal RF modulator that synthesizes a tv channel, usually selectable as channel 3 or 4. Starts off with a composite signal (see below). Worst option to use. There will be some signal degradation of the composite signal as the signal is modulated in your unit. Also, a GOOD modulator is fairly expensive so they only put cheap ones in consumer goods. Almost assuredly monoaural sound. My DTV Tivo doesn't even have this option, don't know about standalone Tivos.

Composite output - All video information (all three colors, red, greeen, and blue) combined into one video cable, usually color coded yellow. Some degradation occurs but you don't have further degradation introduced by an RF modulator. Separate cables for video, left audio and right audio. Better than RF.

S-Video - splits the video information into two separate signals, "luminance" and "chrominance", basically brightness information and color information, via a 4-conductor cable with 4-pin connectors. Greatly reduces signal degradation compared to compositel. Video only - must use with the L and R audio cables.

Component output - three separate cables send same "luminance" info as S-Video, but splits apart the two "chrominance" signals which are combined into one in S-Video. In greatly simplifie terms, this means you're sending the red, green, and blue signals separately in a way your tv can use directly for best quality picture. (This option available in DirecTV units, don't know about standalone Tivos).
 
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Doug,

Standalone analog units have s-video, video and RF (coax) outputs.
DTV HD Tivo has component outputs.
The new S3 has HDMI, Component, s-video and video outputs.

-David
 
We currently have a 15 year old RCA tv and a new Harmon Kardon a/v receiver. I have run everthing through the avr, The tv only has composit and cable inputs. We will be getting a hdtv if the future, but we are worlds apart on what we want to spend. I've been looking at a very nice one at an audio/video store and my wife has been looking at Costco... :eek:
I guess I actually asked the wrong question - it should have been: will I see improvement when we switch to a digital signal - be it digital or hd? :confused:
Thanx,
Ron
 
There's no real simple answer to that question the way you posed it.

Digital channels, in general, will look better than their analog counterparts.

High-Def channels will, in general, look better than standard def channels if you can display them. They won't look any better if the original source material is standard def and has just been upconverted to a higher resolution.

Digital channels can be compressed. If they are compressed too much, you will see digital artifacts on the display. Satellite companies tend to compress their signals more than cable companies to save bandwidth. Again, this is all very general and doesn't imply that satellite provides a worse signal than your cable company.

With big-screen TVs, standard definition signals often have to be line-doubled (upconverted) to display them on a big-screen, and the quality of the picture you see depends on the quality of the line doubler. This upconversion or side conversion can be done in several places. In general, you want to do it exactly once and only with one conversion anywhere in the signal chain, once the signal reaches your house.

-David
 
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If your cable provider offers digital or HD and has an available DVR, can your TiVo and switch to them (cable providers give you the box for free and only charge a fee for the "service" whereas an HD TiVo is very expensive and satellite companies charge a lot for the boxes). The DVR service generally costs less per month than TiVo and, for HD, surpasses anything TiVo has currently available. My Scientifc Atlanta box holds 40 hours of HD or 120 hours of digital or analog and you can't tell it's a recording. You can record a show while watching one or record two while playing back a recording. The only thing Tivo has over SI or Sony boxes being used by the cable companies is a cleaner interface. Also, I heard SI is now part of Cisco, so should be getting even better. Of course, all of this only matters if you have a new enough tv so you can see the difference in digital or analog. But, if you're noticing degraded quality, maybe you do.
 
Thanx hvsteve1. I'm actually just trying to get my ducks in a row for when we do get an hdtv.
Ron
 
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