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You can do a request first with II now .There is always the rare chance you may connect. At 8 months try the SVN route.

I might try it. We would really love to go to St. John if possible. Thank you for your advice!
 

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vistana101, ... "Wow! You are very lucky!"

No. I'm not lucky. I plan ahead. I have a lot of Staroptions to be flexible with and I am early and somewhat relentless in my calling.

GLTY getting that 2-br. Call the Starwood reservations number exactly 8 months out and at exactly 9 am EDT.

BTW, the Hillside lockouts do not show up for Staroption trades until about 3 months out. To find and snag one of them 3-br pool villas at 3 months out in November or December of this year is the definition of luck. ... eom
 

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Adding for 2011....We recently negotiates a 3-way exchange. We are trading our 3 bedroom WSJ.

There are three owners....all 3 bedrooms at their respective resort.
Marriott Aruba Surf Club wanted Harborside
Harborside wanted Westin St John
Westin St John wanted Marriott Aruba

I had my unit listed in the Tug Marketplace.

Second year in a row to list my WSJ on Tug and successfully exchanged the unit within a month. Also, buying into Bay Vista section, with its float season really helps.
 

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Since I now work for an airline and can fly standby, I take a lot of small trips instead of one week vacations. Last year I used my staroptions to trade for 3-5 night stays on Maui, Kauai, and in Orlando at Vistana Villages. This year I will be going to Cancun, Harborside and I hope Hawaii again. I've not yet had a problem getting what I wanted within the 90-day window. I even had to make a last-minute change (called from the airport!) from Orlando to Hawaii.
 

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I was able to book a 1 bedroom premium unit at Harborside for Jan. 2-9, 2011. Several different Jan. weeks were available.

Glorian
 

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Tried unsuccessfully again today to book a 2 bdrm at WSJ for Feb 2011. The only units avail were 3 bdrms.

There are still plenty of HRA 2 bdrms if anyone is interested.
 

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Lisa, ... But no 3-br at Harborside for Saturday, February 12. And, there will be no 3-br tomorrow at Harborside for February 13. Yesterday I dumped my home resort April Harborside 3-br due to inability of some guests to travel then and for all of us picked up the last 3-br for February 13 (Valentine's week) yesterday. All the Building 4 (Sunday) 3-br at Harborside - only 8 of them - overlook the Harborside pool and the sound. (No charge since it was a "home resort" in season change.)

I will look for a 2 or 3-br at WSJ in April this coming August.

I love the flexibility of Staroptions. ... eom
 

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Lisa, ... But no 3-br at Harborside for Saturday, February 12. And, there will be no 3-br tomorrow at Harborside for February 13. Yesterday I dumped my home resort April Harborside 3-br due to inability of some guests to travel then and for all of us picked up the last 3-br for February 13 (Valentine's week) yesterday. All the Building 4 (Sunday) 3-br at Harborside - only 8 of them - overlook the Harborside pool and the sound. (No charge since it was a "home resort" in season change.)

I will look for a 2 or 3-br at WSJ in April this coming August.

I love the flexibility of Staroptions. ... eom

Do you have any other information pertaining to what check-in days get you what building(s)?(Harborside and other resorts?)

Thank you
Vistana101
 

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Do you have any other information pertaining to what check-in days get you what building(s)?(Harborside and other resorts?)

Thank you
Vistana101

Check the FAQ above, I believe this is listed there.
 

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Check the FAQ above, I believe this is listed there.

Owner Resources has Harborside,SBP and maybe another resort. Is the building affected by villa type/season as that is not specified there. Also, do you have any information on SVV?
 

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vistana, ... The "Starwood Owner Resources" sticky at the top of the Starwood Forum opening page has 3 maps of Harborside.

The 2 ones where you do not have to be signed in have the days of check in by building for Phase II. Also, Phase I check in days by building are on the map without the room numbers.

To get the locations of the room numbers for Phase I, you have to sign in and use the 3rd map. ... eom
 

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Trades so far using our WMH 148,000 points

2004 WSJ 3Br Easter week 2004

2005 Harborside 2Br, then private trade for Marriott Summit Watch 2Br 2/05

2006 WKORV 2Br then private trade for Marriott Waiohai 2Br 7/06

2007 WKORV 2Br, then private trade for Summit Watch 1/08

2008 WKORV 2Br, then private trade for Marriott Ko’Olina 2Br 6/08

2009 SPG trade for Cancun Lagunamar 1Br 6/09 AND - II trade for Sheraton Mtn Vista 2Br 4/10

2010 Still not sure yet!
 

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Trades so far using our WMH 148,000 points

2004 WSJ 3Br Easter week 2004

2005 Harborside 2Br, then private trade for Marriott Summit Watch 2Br 2/05

2006 WKORV 2Br then private trade for Marriott Waiohai 2Br 7/06

2007 WKORV 2Br, then private trade for Summit Watch 1/08

2008 WKORV 2Br, then private trade for Marriott Ko’Olina 2Br 6/08

2009 SPG trade for Cancun Lagunamar 1Br 6/09 AND - II trade for Sheraton Mtn Vista 2Br 4/10

2010 Still not sure yet!

Very nice trades! We love our WKV units too.
 

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Unless I change and re-jiggle (again lol!):

Premium 1-br WDW - 2 weeks - January 2011 - Staroption reservation at 7 mo.

Harborside 3-br - February 2011 - Home (but altered on 6/12/10; 8 months + 1 day ;) )

WKV 2-br - March 2011 - Home (12 month)

215,200 Staroptions still left to spend for the rest of 2011. Looking to use Staroptions to reserve in August (at 8 month) a 2 or 3-br at WSJ for April 2011. WSJ, as beautiful and wonderful as it is, presents problems because none of the units are lockoffs. So, you cannot drop just a part of the 2 or 3-br reservation if you or guests run into problems going. You either find other guests to go (not really that hard if they know about WSJ) or drop before 60 days from scheduled arrival and take back the Staroptions. (Last year, I used Staroptions to get into an April 3-br pool villa at WSJ at 8 months out. I have another Bay Vista 3-br at WSJ for Sept.-Oct. 2010 made at 8 months with Staroptions.)

Love visiting WKV or Harborside in late October or early November with 8 mo. or less reservations, too. Have done it several times. ... eom
 
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BTW, the Hillside lockouts do not show up for Staroption trades until about 3 months out. To find and snag one of them 3-br pool villas at 3 months out in November or December of this year is the definition of luck. ... eom

(Last year, I used Staroptions to get into an April 3-br pool villa at WSJ at 8 months out.)

I thought you stated the 3 bedroom pool villas were only released to SVN members at 3 months out? But you say you booked a pool villa last year at 8 months out? Please clarify. Thank you!
 

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vistana, ... "Please clarify."

When I arrived @ WSJ, I was upgraded to a 3-br pool villa. Usually, it's 3 months for Hillside lockouts. See post #24 in this thread. ... eom
 

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Jarta, thank you. Were you upgraded simply because it was available?(Also, your 5* elite status?)
 

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Very nice trades! We love our WKV units too.

Fletcher921 was using our WMH 148,000, not WKV. Interesting because WMH is a voluntary resort so the trades were through II. So, it seems you can’t rent II trades but you can trade them. Do I have this right???
 

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Fletcher921 was using our WMH 148,000, not WKV. Interesting because WMH is a voluntary resort so the trades were through II. So, it seems you can’t rent II trades but you can trade them. Do I have this right???

If Fletch921 bought WMH from the developer, she would have Staroptions, and it looks like she has made both Staroption and II trades.

Yes, you can do a Staroption exchange and rent or trade it.

No, you are not supposed to do that with II trades.
 
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Fletcher921 was using our WMH 148,000, not WKV. Interesting because WMH is a voluntary resort so the trades were through II. So, it seems you can’t rent II trades but you can trade them. Do I have this right???

Although we do make a lot of fuss about voluntary resorts being only able to trade through II, as Denise points out, this is only for a Starwood volunary resort unit purchased on the resale market. The noise we make about it here and the importance we apply to this issue is probably totally disproportionate to the number of owners it applies to. Obviously, as resorts mature and more and more units become resale units this will increase in importance, but I wouldn't be surprised if many owners at voluntary resorts don't currently even know what a voluntary resort is, or that their Staroptions are not transferable on the resale market...
 

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Although we do make a lot of fuss about voluntary resorts being only able to trade through II, as Denise points out, this is only for a Starwood volunary resort unit purchased on the resale market. The noise we make about it here and the importance we apply to this issue is probably totally disproportionate to the number of owners it applies to. Obviously, as resorts mature and more and more units become resale units this will increase in importance, but I wouldn't be surprised if many owners at voluntary resorts don't currently even know what a voluntary resort is, or that their Staroptions are not transferable on the resale market...


It goes to show how little I know. I just assumed that the mandatory resorts were setup for trading within network whether it was from the developer or resale. I am puzzled to why Starwood would setup Mandatory and Voluntary if both have the same functions if bought from the developer.
 

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It goes to show how little I know. I just assumed that the mandatory resorts were setup for trading within network whether it was from the developer or resale. I am puzzled to why Starwood would setup Mandatory and Voluntary if both have the same functions if bought from the developer.

Add resorts can trade within the network when purchased from the developer. If purchased resale, only mandatory resorts have Staroptions.

The initial differentiation (mandatory resorts) between developer and resale was no ability to convert to hotel Starpoints (like Marriott). As hotel points got devalued, and the option to convert to hotel points became less attractive, I assume they decided at some point they need to do more. I presume they thought that if the product on the resale market was significantly less attractive then people would necessarily have to buy retail. If they could turn the mandatory resorts to voluntary they would do it in a heartbeat.

The problem for Starwood, the way I see it, is that people will buy developer if (i) the differential between resale and retail prices justifies what you get extra (e.g. Staroptions, Starpoints, or Elite status), or (ii) if the buyer is unaware of the resale market. The "benefit" of SVN was sold so much that it, along with high MFs, killed the resale values of voluntary resorts. So if people know about the resale market, why pay $55K for an annual WPORV when you can buy it for less than 10% that amount on the resale market. And if you want Staroptions to trade, WKV and SVV are mostly the things people look at on the resale market. That leaves selling only to people who haven't learned about the resale market or to the very few who know of and can afford the Elite program. Given that it's relatively easy to find TUG during the allotted time to rescind, it's getting harder and harder to sell...

Raising MFs and killing the resale value more, will only make things worse. IMO, the only thing that can save SVN in the long run is reigning in MFs to make ownership attractive again, and allowing all resale units into SVN, both of which will increase resale prices and reduce the differential between resale and retail. The less attractive alternative (for them) is to lower retail prices...
 
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