[Surprised to see Starwood deposits more than a year out]

[tomandrobin]

I was doing some searching in II this morning and was surprised to see [Starwood] deposits for fall of 2013.

I can not recall ever seeing [this type of Starwood] deposit so far out.....ever.

 

[tschwa2]

I was surprised too and if they hadn't recently deposited the Hawaii weeks overlapping I would have jumped on it.

 

[Twinkstarr]

I was doing some searching in II this morning and was surprised to see [Starwood] deposits for fall of 2013.

I can not recall ever seeing [Starwood] deposits so far out.....ever.

You're right, I know I've never seen [Starwood] deposits that far out, maybe a little far out for the HI resorts too.

I think the WLR deposits go out to Dec 2013.

 

[jerseygirl]

I'm not liking this trend. ....

 

[yumdrey]

And there were August 2013 weeks too.
I had put an ongoing search for July & August 2013 at [the same resort] and it was matched on the same day when those fall 2013 weeks were popped up.
So those Sep - Dec 2013 weeks were leftover inventory after August weeks were matched to ongoing searches.
I was surprised to see a confirmation e-mail that day.

 

[GregT]

I'm not liking this trend. ....

What does this mean/suggest? I would have thought this is a good thing for planning purposes?

Thx!

Greg

 

[yumdrey]

I'm not liking this trend. ....

I don't like it either.
Think how much hard to get summer weeks at [this resort] at exactly 8 months out with staroptions.. Now they are deposited to II.. at 12 months out!

 

[yumdrey]

What does this mean/suggest? I would have thought this is a good thing for planning purposes?

Thx!

Greg

Maybe it is a good thing for exchangers who own voluntary resorts.
But I don't think it is a good trend for owners at [this Starwood resort] or mandatory resort owners who use staroptions.
Look at other threads about "how much hard to get prime weeks at SDO for owners". Hope it doesn't happen to other starwood resorts.

 

[zcrider]

What does this mean/suggest? I would have thought this is a good thing for planning purposes?

Thx!

Greg

She probably owns [at this Starwood resort.] That is one reason I decided to sell. One I can't use it often anymore and must rent it, two they were starting to show up in II....so why own the expensive place if you can trade in!! Unless you want to go every summer no need to own it anymore. But good for the rest of us.

 

[l2trade]

This trend is likely part of the predictive inventory model and method to improve generic seasonal trade values. The earlier Starwood pre-deposits weeks for future owner assignment, the greater the value of those weeks in II. I am guessing that we will see more inventory > 365 days out and less inventory in the 8-12 month range, than we have in prior years. I wonder if early >365 day deposits allow Starwood to give fewer prime weeks to II and more off season weeks since the generic trade value of those off season weeks deposited early may be equivalent to the generic trade value of a balanced seasonal deposit < 365 days out. Thoughts?

 

[alwysonvac]

And there were August 2013 weeks too.
I had put an ongoing search for July & August 2013 at [this Starwood resort] and it was matched on the same day when those fall 2013 weeks were popped up.
So those Sep - Dec 2013 weeks were leftover inventory after August weeks were matched to ongoing searches.
I was surprised to see a confirmation e-mail that day.

I'm assuming your match was for late August. Correct?
Did you match on a one or two bedroom?

 

[jerseygirl]

I do own at [this Starwood resort], but that's not really the issue unless we start seeing "true summer" weeks show up. It's always been easy to get late August (peak rain) with SOs ... So I don't have an issue with II deposits for that time period. But, I do have an issue with ANY deposits before the 8-month period for mandatory resorts.

I cannot think of a single reason to trust Starwood's predictive methodology. I'm an II trader too (I'm well rounded - bought some strictly to use, some strictly to trade with SOs, and some to trade in II ). And, well it might be true that trading power could be increased if deposits are made in advance, I think it's more likely that II was seeing the results of the last contract ....and asked for more this time around.

When there are reports of March SDO weeks deposited to II/RCI but owners can't get reservations 8 months in advance .... Or summer SBP weeks, then Houston, we have a problem.

Edited to add: I have a problem with the these types of deposits with voluntary resorts also. It's just a little more difficult to determine what the fair date of deposit should be. Personally, I think voluntary resort deposits should be 100% owner controlled ... and if that harms the people who fail to make reservations, then so be it. But, I'm NOT trying to restart that argument!!

 

[yumdrey]

I'm assuming your match was for late August. Correct?
Did you match on a one or two bedroom?

My matched date was 8/17 check-in, one bedroom.
I believe it's still gold plus (summer) season, not in silver season.
When I use Staroptions, I have had no problem getting last week of August or first week of September (week 35) which is a beginning of silver season, but early/mid August was still not easy to get at 8 months out.
I was surprised to see a gold plus week in II.

 

[tschwa2]

Starwood has been depositing summer SBP months into RCI for the last 3 years at the 13-14 month mark. This has been after they stopped letting owners reserve and deposit specific weeks into RCI.

Since owners of float weeks are not allowed access to reserve weeks with Starwood until 12 months prior Starwood should not have access to deposit these weeks anywhere- regardless of what predictive programs say. It doesn't matter if it is low season weeks. Exchangers have plenty of time to make their plans at 8-10 months prior to travel and should not have access BEFORE owners. The Harborside off season weeks would get exchanged into even if they were deposited 6 months prior.

 

[DeniseM]

A gentle reminder: Sightings are a benefit of TUG membership - please post sightings on the TUG Sightings forum - thank you!

 

[rickandcindy23]

A gentle reminder: Sightings are a benefit of TUG membership - please post sightings on the TUG Sightings forum - thank you!

This was what I thought Jerseygirl was talking about when she said she "didn't like this trend." I don't like seeing things like this on the general forums. Post it as a sighting, please. A huge percentage of viewers of this thread will be visitors and not even logged into TUG. They are here to glean what they can from TUG without offering anything in return.

It's $15 to join TUG, and you never have to pay that again after the first year because Brian gives free membership extensions for writing reviews and also getting others to join.

 

[jerseygirl]

This was what I thought Jerseygirl was talking about when she said she "didn't like this trend." ....

No sorry, I use "new posts" and generally don't even realize where a thread is located.

My issue is with early deposits .... and trusting Starwood's predictive model.

Funny how they have the resources to create a predictive model, but not an online reservation system. Perhaps the predictive model involves a dart board .....

I still think this has a lot to do with the Interval contract .......................

 

[alwysonvac]

My matched date was 8/17 check-in, one bedroom.
I believe it's still gold plus (summer) season, not in silver season.
When I use Staroptions, I have had no problem getting last week of August or first week of September (week 35) which is a beginning of silver season, but early/mid August was still not easy to get at 8 months out.
I was surprised to see a gold plus week in II.

Thanks for the info.
Yeah, I was able to book the last week in August this year using my Staroptions.

I don't think the last two weeks in August is uncommon for II.
I found this old sighting - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111190

 

[rickandcindy23]

Except these are > a year out. That's the difference between the previous posting and this one.

 

[GrayFal]

My matched date was 8/17 check-in, one bedroom.
I believe it's still gold plus (summer) season, not in silver season.
When I use Staroptions, I have had no problem getting last week of August or first week of September (week 35) which is a beginning of silver season, but early/mid August was still not easy to get at 8 months out.
I was surprised to see a gold plus week in II.

Oh darn, I would have liked an August, you sneaky devil .....putting in a request .

 

[jerseygirl]

Except these are > a year out. That's the difference between the previous posting and this one.

Bingo!

Just look at Sightings to see the trend. The recent Lagunamar one blew me away.

 

[alwysonvac]

Except these are > a year out. That's the difference between the previous posting and this one.

Yes, I understand.
I was simply pointing out that Starwood has deposited the last two weeks in August in the past (not how far in advance deposits are typically made).

Sorry, I didn't mean to divert from the primary focus of this thread

 

[yumdrey]

Previous sighting was a SVN not interval.

 

[alwysonvac]

Previous sighting was a SVN not interval.

Ooops...LOL
I still think the last two weeks in August have been availabile in the past. I just can't find an example on the boards.

 

[Fredm]

I still think this has a lot to do with the Interval contract .......................

Me too.....