Starwood lockoff owners -- How are you using your ownership?

[tomandrobin]

"I don't know of any Starwood resorts that only have 2 bdms. or larger."

Sure, there are a lot of Starwood 2-br lockoff configurations, but .............

How about Lakeside Terrace, Steamboat Springs, Villas of Cave Creek (for now), Vistana's Beach Club and the voluntary, Bay Vista phase of WSJ? All have no lockoff units. No studios or 1-brs either. Only non-lockoff 2-br or 3-br units.

The rumor also has been that the plans at WKORV-N-N (if it ever gets off the ground) only have non-lockoff 2-br and 3-br units. ... eom

Correct!!!

But I think there is only one resort with a 3-bedroom unit, capable of breaking into three units for trading.

 

[jerseygirl]

WSJ only has one code at II (for now, anyway -- I suspect this will change as more BV units flip in the resale market). Therefore, it's not possible to request "Hillside" vs "Bay Vista." II won't let a one-BR place an ongoing request for a 2-BR because there are studios and one-BRs in phase one.

 

[jarta]

tomandrobin, ... "Correct!!!

But I think there is only one resort with a 3-bedroom unit, capable of breaking into three units for trading."

Yes, SVV, Key West. But, I wasn't responding to that valid post or characterization of the obvious II versatility of the Key West 3-br lockoff. I was responding to the erroneous declaration that there were no Starwood resorts with only 2-br or larger units.

Of course, places like Desert Willow, Riverfront, Lagunamar and (I think) WMH are only sold as 2-br lockoff units (EY, even or odd). That means the resale has to match the deed and must re-sell a 2-br unit. However, with these resorts, the use can be split even if the legal title to the units cannot. You could consider those resorts to be only 2-br or larger resorts.

But, I was afraid to say that for fear of being chastised by some about being wrong. ... eom

 

[DeniseM]

Gee, I'm sorry if I confused anyone. I should have said that I don't know of an dedicated two bedrooms.

It's good to know that there are some - that will help the OP who wants to make a list of dedicated 2 bdm. units that she may be able to trade into with an on-going request with a 1 bdm.

Of course, places like Desert Willow, Riverfront, Lagunamar and (I think) WMH are only sold as 2-br lockoff units (EY, even or odd). That means the resale has to match the deed and must re-sell a 2-br unit. However, with these resorts, the use can be split even if the legal title to the units cannot. You could consider those resorts to be only 2-br or larger resorts.

I think you missed the point. None of these resorts would be considered two bedroom ONLY resort by II, because the lock-offs can be split into smaller units for II exchanges. The OP is looking for resorts that ONLY have dedicated 2 bdm. or larger units.

Besides that - at Lagunamar you can actually buy a studio, 1 bdm., or 2 bdm.

At Westin Riverfront you can actually buy a 2 bdm., Lg. 1 bdm., or Sm. 1 bdm.

I have the price lists posted in Owner Resources.

 

[jarta]

"Gee, I'm sorry if I confused anyone. I should have said that I don't know of an dedicated two bedrooms."

That would have been just as erroneous (not really confusing at all) as what you did say. ... eom

 

[marmite]

Draft of 2 Bedroom and Larger List

Okay, please let me know -- are there any I should add or remove?

This of course is not just a Starwood list (that wouldn't be a list as I can only find one), it has Marriott and Hyatt which are part of my regular searches. If you think I am missing a great 2 bedroom property (perhaps a new one in another timeshare company), please share it -- I am always looking for new pointers on potential vacation places, and exploiting any trading loophole possible.

RESORTS THAT HAVE 2 BEDROOM OR LARGER ONLY
SRM - Sheraton Steamboat Resort Villas, Steamboat Springs CO
LFP - Lakeside Terrace in the Vail Valley, Avon CO
VIS - Vistana's Beach Club, Jensen Beach FL
MWF - Marriott Residence Inn at Muskoka Wharf, Ontario
MBY - Marriott's Barony Beach Club, Hilton Head SC
MMI - Marriott's Crystal Shores on Marco Island FL
MCP - Marriott's Cypress Harbour, Orlando FL
MFV - Marriott's Fairway Villas, Absecon, New Jersey
MFC - Marriott's Frenchman's Cove, St Thomas USVI
MGO - Marriott's Grande Ocean, Hilton Head SC
MHH - Marriott's Harbour Club, Hilton Head SC
MHP - Marriott's Harbour Point at Shelter Cove, Hilton Head SC
MHG - Marriott's Heritage Club at Harbour Town, Hilton Head SC
MIP - Marriott's Imperial Palms Villas, Orlando FL
MKI - Marriott's Kauai Lagoons, Kauai HI
MLE - Marriott's Legends Edge at Bay Point, Panama City Beach FL
MMS - Marriott's Monarch at Sea Pines, Hilton Head SC
NCV - Marriott's Newport Coast Villas, Newport Coast CA
MOW - Marriott's OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes, Myrtle Beach SC
MVO - Marriott's Oceana Palms, Riviera Beach FL
MRP - Marriott's Royal Palms, Orlando FL
MSP - Marriott's Sabal Palms, Orlando FL
MSK - Marriott's St. Kitts Beach Club, Frigate Bay St. Kitts
MSN - Marriott's Sunset Pointe at Shelter Cove, Hilton Head SC
MSF - Marriott's SurfWatch, Hilton Head SC
MVD - Marriott's Villas at Doral, Miami FL
MAW, MA1 - Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club, Kauai HI
MEM - Marriott’s Club Son Antem, Balearic Islands, Spain
HYB - Hyatt Beach House Resort, Key West FL
HSL - Hyatt High Sierra Lodge, Incline Village NV
HYK - Hyatt Siesta Key Beach, Hyatt Residence Club, Siesta Key, FL
HWP - Hyatt Windward Pointe Resort, Key West FL
HRP - Residences at Park Hyatt Beaver Creek, CO


Short List:

SRM, LFP, VIS, MWF, MBY, MMI, MCP, MFV, MFC, MGO, MHH, MHP, MHG, MIP, MKI, MLE, MMS, NCV, MOW, MVO, MRP, MSP, MSK, MSN, MSF, MVD, MAW, MA1, MEM, HYB, HSL, HYK, HWP, HRP

Thanks!

 

[marmite]

The OP is looking for resorts that ONLY have dedicated 2 bdm. or larger units.

Yes, thanks Denise. It would be a resort that has a 2 bedroom dedicated unit, but does not have any studio or 1 bedrooms.

 

[DeniseM]

Yes, thanks Denise. It would be a resort that has a 2 bedroom dedicated unit, but does not have any studio or 1 bedrooms.

It will be very interesting to see how you do with the 1:2 ongoing request. If you really want a 2 bdm. Marriott exchange, don't put Starwood resorts in the same request, because with the Starwood to Starwood preference, Starwood is likely to match first. Let us know how it goes!

 

[sail27bill]

Okay, please let me know -- are there any I should add or remove?

This of course is not just a Starwood list (that wouldn't be a list as I can only find one), it has Marriott and Hyatt which are part of my regular searches. If you think I am missing a great 2 bedroom property (perhaps a new one in another timeshare company), please share it -- I am always looking for new pointers on potential vacation places, and exploiting any trading loophole possible.

RESORTS THAT HAVE 2 BEDROOM OR LARGER ONLY
SRM - Sheraton Steamboat Resort Villas, Steamboat Springs CO
LFP - Lakeside Terrace in the Vail Valley, Avon CO
VIS - Vistana's Beach Club, Jensen Beach FL
MWF - Marriott Residence Inn at Muskoka Wharf, Ontario
MBY - Marriott's Barony Beach Club, Hilton Head SC
MMI - Marriott's Crystal Shores on Marco Island FL
MCP - Marriott's Cypress Harbour, Orlando FL
MFV - Marriott's Fairway Villas, Absecon, New Jersey
MFC - Marriott's Frenchman's Cove, St Thomas USVI
MGO - Marriott's Grande Ocean, Hilton Head SC
MHH - Marriott's Harbour Club, Hilton Head SC
MHP - Marriott's Harbour Point at Shelter Cove, Hilton Head SC
MHG - Marriott's Heritage Club at Harbour Town, Hilton Head SC
MIP - Marriott's Imperial Palms Villas, Orlando FL
MKI - Marriott's Kauai Lagoons, Kauai HI
MLE - Marriott's Legends Edge at Bay Point, Panama City Beach FL
MMS - Marriott's Monarch at Sea Pines, Hilton Head SC
NCV - Marriott's Newport Coast Villas, Newport Coast CA
MOW - Marriott's OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes, Myrtle Beach SC
MVO - Marriott's Oceana Palms, Riviera Beach FL
MRP - Marriott's Royal Palms, Orlando FL
MSP - Marriott's Sabal Palms, Orlando FL
MSK - Marriott's St. Kitts Beach Club, Frigate Bay St. Kitts
MSN - Marriott's Sunset Pointe at Shelter Cove, Hilton Head SC
MSF - Marriott's SurfWatch, Hilton Head SC
MVD - Marriott's Villas at Doral, Miami FL
MAW, MA1 - Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club, Kauai HI
MEM - Marriott’s Club Son Antem, Balearic Islands, Spain
HYB - Hyatt Beach House Resort, Key West FL
HSL - Hyatt High Sierra Lodge, Incline Village NV
HYK - Hyatt Siesta Key Beach, Hyatt Residence Club, Siesta Key, FL
HWP - Hyatt Windward Pointe Resort, Key West FL
HRP - Residences at Park Hyatt Beaver Creek, CO


Short List:

SRM, LFP, VIS, MWF, MBY, MMI, MCP, MFV, MFC, MGO, MHH, MHP, MHG, MIP, MKI, MLE, MMS, NCV, MOW, MVO, MRP, MSP, MSK, MSN, MSF, MVD, MAW, MA1, MEM, HYB, HSL, HYK, HWP, HRP

Thanks!

Marmite--Thanks for the list! I like knowing which timeshares are true 2 bedrooms.

Anita

 

[DeniseM]

I have deleted some posts, including my own, that were going off on a tangent.

This is a great topic folks - let's stay on topic.

 

[marmite]

It will be very interesting to see how you do with the 1:2 ongoing request. If you really want a 2 bdm. Marriott exchange, don't put Starwood resorts in the same request, because with the Starwood to Starwood preference, Starwood is likely to match first. Let us know how it goes!

I've also been thinking that keeping my Starwood ongoing requests separate from other brands would be smart in relation to the request fee. A Starwood only request should be cheaper than a request with mixed TS brands in it, correct?

 

[DeniseM]

I've also been thinking that keeping my Starwood ongoing requests separate from other brands would be smart in relation to the request fee. A Starwood only request should be cheaper than a request with mixed TS brands in it, correct?

Correct - if you have a mixed request, you pay the higher fee, even if you get a Starwood trade.

 

[Fletcher921]

This is what we've done with our Westin Mission Hills 2Br

2004 Westin St. John 3Br

2005 Private trade for Marriott Summit Watch 2br 2/05

2006 Private trade for Marriott Waiohai 2Br 7/2006

2007 Private trade for Summit Watch 1/2008

2008 Private trade for Marriott Ko’Olina 2Br 6/2008

2009 Starwood traded 1BR for Cancun Lagunamar 2BR 6/2009
2009 II trade 1 BR for Sheraton Mtn Vista 2Br 4/2010

2010 II trade 1BR-A for Sheraton Mtn Vista 2BR 2/2011
2010 II trade 1BR-B for Westin Princeville Resort 2BR 5/2011

2011 Starwood trade 2BR for Westin Kaanapali Ocean Resort Villas 5/2011

2012 II trade 1BR-A for 2BR Sheraton Mountain Vista 2/2012
2012 II trade 1BR-B for 2BR at Westin Lagunamar 4/2012

We have been very happy so far!

 

[elizfield]

I've never used II. Twice I went where I own (westin maui). Once I went to Westin Kaui. Once I rented Side A (covered homeowner dues) and used Side B. Twice traded for StarPoints as I was traveling in places with fantastic Starwood properties and didn't plan any trips where timeshares were an option. And this year (for next years use) I rented both sides seperately and made some money. Again, my travel plans aren't conducive to timeshare use. May try to sell next year,