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Should We Buy? Just attended Marriott Vacation Club Presentation.

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New to TUGS and been going down the TUGS rabbit hole of content. My wife and I are 50 and looking to semi-retire in 5 years to spend more time traveling. No kids so it’s usually just us. We do bring nieces and nephews once a year for a big Hawaiian trip from San Diego. Aside from that, we are completely flexible and looking to see if there’s a program that has value and fits are needs. We just returned from the Big Island on our second encore trip with Marriott Vacation Club and did not buy. We spoke with various Owners around the property and most seem pretty positive about their experience with MVC. Increasing Maintenance Fees seems to be the biggest gripe. Just seeing that people are willing to give away their Timeshares definitely raises the red flag and we’re curious to see if even purchasing something resale is worth it? Being from San Diego, the Hawaiian island are our go-to and Marriott has the best resort coverage on the Maui, Kauai & Big Island, the 3 we visit more frequently.

We are planning to start exploring international travel later this year and that’s still an untapped adventure for me.

I’m a big time points plannner and wondering if MVC or something similar would unlock even more potential in future travel. Would appreciate any/all feedback based upon your personal experiences. Thank you!
 
First, do not buy directly from Marriott. You can save a lot buying resale from owners.

Second, I would love to share why I find value in Marriott. I love traveling with my brother's family which includes my niece and nephew. This requires us to book 2 hotel rooms. In addition, my nephew has a dietary condition and we need a kitchen. So the 2BR vacation club villas make a lot of sense and is a lot cheaper than booking 2 hotel rooms which easily can be $400 per night each. Having said that, I'm not sure I would still find value if I wasn't traveling with such a big group though as a snowboarder, there's still value booking studios on the mountain at Breckenridge or Beaver Creek than paying hotel prices.

Since my foray into this adventure 2 years ago, my travel group has included friends and extended family and I'm averaging 15 trips a year. I can't imagine how much more I would be paying if I was booking straight hotel rooms for all those nights. Also, I'm only able to do this now because my company is flexible WFH since the pandemic.

You may ask why not rent Airbnbs? I like knowing what to expect from Marriott/Hyatt properties. The added security of the resort makes me feel safer. I can complain to someone and expect reasonable response to remedy the situation. Airbnbs are still an option, just not my first choice.

You bring up international travel and timeshares are not the best option for international travel outside of Mexico and Caribbean. Marriott has a few properties in Spain and France in Europe and one in Costa Rica. For instance, I am planning a trip to Tokyo and Vietnam next year and I am using Hyatt hotel points and hoping to pick up some Getaways for a resort in Vietnam.

Sorry for the long post but I really love sharing about this and I think my friends are sick of hearing about it from me.
 
New to TUGS and been going down the TUGS rabbit hole of content. My wife and I are 50 and looking to semi-retire in 5 years to spend more time traveling. No kids so it’s usually just us. We do bring nieces and nephews once a year for a big Hawaiian trip from San Diego. Aside from that, we are completely flexible and looking to see if there’s a program that has value and fits are needs. We just returned from the Big Island on our second encore trip with Marriott Vacation Club and did not buy. We spoke with various Owners around the property and most seem pretty positive about their experience with MVC. Increasing Maintenance Fees seems to be the biggest gripe.
So, everyone's MFs increase. Marriott has just had some of the biggest increases, and they're generally starting higher than competitors. If you read this forum, many are ending up on the fence if MVC MFs are worth it now compared to renting. As with everything where you fall depends a great deal on what you're trying to do. The nice thing is unlike me, you don't basically have to have 2BR or 2 units or larger. Studios and 1BR are easier to get and find availability for.
Just seeing that people are willing to give away their Timeshares definitely raises the red flag and we’re curious to see if even purchasing something resale is worth it? Being from San Diego, the Hawaiian island are our go-to and Marriott has the best resort coverage on the Maui, Kauai & Big Island, the 3 we visit more frequently.
If you want to go back to Hawaii every year, then TS can make a lot of sense. I don't know enough about how hard it is to trade Marriott with Marriott in Hawaii from one of the cheaper options on the mainland, but hopefully someone else can comment who uses MVC a lot. I would suggest considering renting and comparing other resort systems as well, just to make sure you're not overpaying for MVC in MFs if another brand would also meet your requirements for less.
We are planning to start exploring international travel later this year and that’s still an untapped adventure for me.
TS are available internationally, but there's a HUGE caveat to that. They're usually not in the same system as a big name in the US, so you're usually looking at RCI / II and independent resorts, and they're usually on the beach or country - not in cities or "interesting areas". I stayed in one in the UK and it was an hour and a half from *anything* I was interested in. And while the unit was nice enough, I don't need to fly to the UK to camp out in a TS in the country lol. If you're big into Europe and want to go to cities, I'd suggest also comparing Hapimag which is it's own system, and I'd spend some time with RCI to see if the beach locations appeal.
I’m a big time points plannner and wondering if MVC or something similar would unlock even more potential in future travel. Would appreciate any/all feedback based upon your personal experiences. Thank you!
If you're able to travel on a whim whenever it works out, whether planned or with a 45 day Last Call deal, I think timeshares (though I question MVC doing this) unlock the ability to supercharge your travel, especially in the US. Using tips from TUG, I've gone from one trip every 3 years for an average of 1 week, to 10 weeks a year over the last 2+ years I've been doing this. What's crazy is my spending on travel is maybe only 3x what it used to be, so I'm getting A LOT of value. I can easily spend in 6 days at Hilton Hotels with 2 rooms what it costs for 2 weeks in a resort 2BR unit in the same area(s).

Of course, this is subject to some limits - even within the limited locations of Timeshares generally. You have to be realistic and flexible. For me, I know the eastern US pretty well for where I can almost always just drive to almost whenever - Massanutten, Stowe, Poconos, Williamsburg, Orlando, Weston, Myrtle Beach and such, and can often get a week there for $700 in a 2BR unit all in, and where I have to hunt, or be willing to spend much more - say sub $1,500-$2,000 for a week all in - Hilton Head being the big one depending on time of year, but also Hawaii, or New Orleans, etc.

There's a lot of tricks around exchanging or using your owned system to grab more hard to get reservations too.

The question of value is mostly - are you super picky about MVC level resorts? Or are more middling furnishings in various locations worth adding another week for cheap to your travels? Are you going to be willing to go at the last minute sometimes for great deals or do you have to know 6 months out because you're not interested in drive to locations or don't have any near enough to you depending on what that means to you. Are you looking primarily for lodging or are you perhaps looking to go back to an area multiple times and may care more about how relaxing the resort is and what amenities are in walking distance from your unit? Do you care about having more than a hot tub as amenities? If so what? Are you mountain, beach, something else focused?
 
So, everyone's MFs increase. Marriott has just had some of the biggest increases, and they're generally starting higher than competitors. If you read this forum, many are ending up on the fence if MVC MFs are worth it now compared to renting. As with everything where you fall depends a great deal on what you're trying to do. The nice thing is unlike me, you don't basically have to have 2BR or 2 units or larger. Studios and 1BR are easier to get and find availability for.

If you want to go back to Hawaii every year, then TS can make a lot of sense. I don't know enough about how hard it is to trade Marriott with Marriott in Hawaii from one of the cheaper options on the mainland, but hopefully someone else can comment who uses MVC a lot. I would suggest considering renting and comparing other resort systems as well, just to make sure you're not overpaying for MVC in MFs if another brand would also meet your requirements for less.

TS are available internationally, but there's a HUGE caveat to that. They're usually not in the same system as a big name in the US, so you're usually looking at RCI / II and independent resorts, and they're usually on the beach or country - not in cities or "interesting areas". I stayed in one in the UK and it was an hour and a half from *anything* I was interested in. And while the unit was nice enough, I don't need to fly to the UK to camp out in a TS in the country lol. If you're big into Europe and want to go to cities, I'd suggest also comparing Hapimag which is it's own system, and I'd spend some time with RCI to see if the beach locations appeal.

If you're able to travel on a whim whenever it works out, whether planned or with a 45 day Last Call deal, I think timeshares (though I question MVC doing this) unlock the ability to supercharge your travel, especially in the US. Using tips from TUG, I've gone from one trip every 3 years for an average of 1 week, to 10 weeks a year over the last 2+ years I've been doing this. What's crazy is my spending on travel is maybe only 3x what it used to be, so I'm getting A LOT of value. I can easily spend in 6 days at Hilton Hotels with 2 rooms what it costs for 2 weeks in a resort 2BR unit in the same area(s).

Of course, this is subject to some limits - even within the limited locations of Timeshares generally. You have to be realistic and flexible. For me, I know the eastern US pretty well for where I can almost always just drive to almost whenever - Massanutten, Stowe, Poconos, Williamsburg, Orlando, Weston, Myrtle Beach and such, and can often get a week there for $700 in a 2BR unit all in, and where I have to hunt, or be willing to spend much more - say sub $1,500-$2,000 for a week all in - Hilton Head being the big one depending on time of year, but also Hawaii, or New Orleans, etc.

There's a lot of tricks around exchanging or using your owned system to grab more hard to get reservations too.

The question of value is mostly - are you super picky about MVC level resorts? Or are more middling furnishings in various locations worth adding another week for cheap to your travels? Are you going to be willing to go at the last minute sometimes for great deals or do you have to know 6 months out because you're not interested in drive to locations or don't have any near enough to you depending on what that means to you. Are you looking primarily for lodging or are you perhaps looking to go back to an area multiple times and may care more about how relaxing the resort is and what amenities are in walking distance from your unit? Do you care about having more than a hot tub as amenities? If so what? Are you mountain, beach, something else focused?
First of all, thank you for your service! Secondly, thank you for the detailed response.

The answer is yes and yes! We are open to any/all TS options and generally lean towards the big 3 (Marriott, Hilton, Hyatt).

We are very flexible including last minute travel options.

We would prefer to be close to the action as opposed to the resort amenities.

I would imagine that most of our stays would be either hotel/studio. We would have 1 big annual trip where we include friends and family and would need a 2/3 bedroom.

The potential seems to be there but so much of what we’ve read online has been negative so we’re treading lightly until we’re sure it works for our future travel plans.

Thanks again!
 
Much of what I said doesn't really apply to Marriott / Hilton / Hyatt.

What I mean is - that they have limited locations so for instance nothing in Weston, Stowe or Virginia (not 100% on Marriott and Virginia) say. Marriott does have more locations than HGVC ("real Hilton", not HVC/DRI or Bluegreen). But for say Orlando / Florida, Hawaii, Las Vegas and the like - I think both Mariott and HGVC have decent coverage. Most of the last minute stuff and cheap deals as well as locations in general do not apply for HGVC, and Marriott to a lesser extent.

I should also point out that most of what I do is week increments Saturday to Saturday, occasionally Fri to Fri or Sun to Sun. That's how "traditional" TSs worked, and is basically how the exchange companies work for the most part. The Exchange companies are the way to supercharge things - via the cash deals. The main difference is Marriott and Hyatt is II and HGVC is RCI.

If you want to not have to buy a frankly ridiculous amount of points and commit to the MFs for that, then RCI is quite a value multiplier, II also but for me significantly less. Maybe 20% of RCI? This only matters of course if you want to go to independent resorts for some of the weeks and are looking for that $600 or less week. If you only want to go to Marriott you can I think rent points, and of course there's always just renting from owners in general - but those aren't going to save as much money (though still can beat out hotel rooms.).
 
I recently attended a sales meeting at Hyatt to learn about how the system worked (I only know Marriott.) I've stayed at Hyatt resorts in Puerto Rico (Dorado) and Bonita Springs, FL (Coconut Cove.) The downside of Hyatt for me is that there aren't enough locations that I would visit that would make it worthwhile for me to learn another system. The only other location that Hyatt has that Marriott doesn't that I want to visit is Florida Keys.

Also, the Hyatt vacation club stays do not count toward elite status while they do for Marriott. Each system has its plus and minuses and the sweet spot is figuring which one fits your vacation preferences.
 
Much of what I said doesn't really apply to Marriott / Hilton / Hyatt.

What I mean is - that they have limited locations so for instance nothing in Weston, Stowe or Virginia (not 100% on Marriott and Virginia) say. Marriott does have more locations than HGVC ("real Hilton", not HVC/DRI or Bluegreen). But for say Orlando / Florida, Hawaii, Las Vegas and the like - I think both Mariott and HGVC have decent coverage. Most of the last minute stuff and cheap deals as well as locations in general do not apply for HGVC, and Marriott to a lesser extent.

I should also point out that most of what I do is week increments Saturday to Saturday, occasionally Fri to Fri or Sun to Sun. That's how "traditional" TSs worked, and is basically how the exchange companies work for the most part. The Exchange companies are the way to supercharge things - via the cash deals. The main difference is Marriott and Hyatt is II and HGVC is RCI.

If you want to not have to buy a frankly ridiculous amount of points and commit to the MFs for that, then RCI is quite a value multiplier, II also but for me significantly less. Maybe 20% of RCI? This only matters of course if you want to go to independent resorts for some of the weeks and are looking for that $600 or less week. If you only want to go to Marriott you can I think rent points, and of course there's always just renting from owners in general - but those aren't going to save as much money (though still can beat out hotel rooms.)

Sounds like I need to go down the "RCI" and "Renting" rabbit holes next...
 
Sorry - I just realized I completely forgot about the Marriott Thailand, Bali and Australia locations. Those are on my list to visit (Thailand and Bali.) The Australia location seems remote and great for surfers? Not my thing, so not sure if I would stay there if I make the trek.
 
Sorry for the long post but I really love sharing about this and I think my friends are sick of hearing about it from me.
I can relate. Even the kids, who are on most of our deeds, are sick of hearing me talk up timeshare.

Our oldest son, Mr. Practical, said, "I don't want to inherit all of these timeshares, so I would appreciate it if you would take my name off of them." I was like:oops:.

We own a lot of Sheraton Broadway, and I am considering re-deeding all of them into Rick's and my name only. I don't know what will happen to the II account.
 
New to TUGS and been going down the TUGS rabbit hole of content. My wife and I are 50 and looking to semi-retire in 5 years to spend more time traveling. No kids so it’s usually just us. We do bring nieces and nephews once a year for a big Hawaiian trip from San Diego. Aside from that, we are completely flexible and looking to see if there’s a program that has value and fits are needs. We just returned from the Big Island on our second encore trip with Marriott Vacation Club and did not buy. We spoke with various Owners around the property and most seem pretty positive about their experience with MVC. Increasing Maintenance Fees seems to be the biggest gripe. Just seeing that people are willing to give away their Timeshares definitely raises the red flag and we’re curious to see if even purchasing something resale is worth it? Being from San Diego, the Hawaiian island are our go-to and Marriott has the best resort coverage on the Maui, Kauai & Big Island, the 3 we visit more frequently.

We are planning to start exploring international travel later this year and that’s still an untapped adventure for me.

I’m a big time points plannner and wondering if MVC or something similar would unlock even more potential in future travel. Would appreciate any/all feedback based upon your personal experiences. Thank you!
If you don't know why you want to buy and how you will use it you should not buy (but you should never buy direct from Marriott.)

Tell us your typical vacation and what you would want to use your purchase for. Where you usually go, duration, what season, how big a room, view, where you rent from, and how much you pay. This will help people tell you if buying resale is worth it.
 
marriott is a great system, buy resale after reading everything you can here on TUG!

if you want to enjoy vacations while you take the time to learn before you buy, you can rent!
 
Checkout HGVC resell. Take a look at a 2 bedroom Platinum at Elara in Las Vegas. Make sure it is a HGVC Deed. Why Platinum? More Points to use elsewhere. Maintenance Fees are by size of Unit not Season. So the MF's on a 2 bedroom Platinum are the same as a 2 bedroom Gold. Also checkout HGVC Craigendarroch in Scotland.
 
Just a quick caution on the "Never buy direct." statements made here and elsewhere, in relation to the purchase of MVC Club points. MVC can do some great deals direct, particularly on bundled packages of club points and weeks or just weeks that are enrolled in the Abound points system and yield club points at or very close to what you would pay resale for club points.

The key take-away is to understand what is being offered, know what you want and at what price and then go after that via a range of different purchasing channels.
 
Just a quick caution on the "Never buy direct." statements made here and elsewhere, in relation to the purchase of MVC Club points. MVC can do some great deals direct, particularly on bundled packages of club points and weeks or just weeks that are enrolled in the Abound points system and yield club points at or very close to what you would pay resale for club points.

The key take-away is to understand what is being offered, know what you want and at what price and then go after that via a range of different purchasing channels.
I'm not an MVC person, but from what I understand, the caution on buying direct is that there's very limited situations where it would make any sense in TS in general. MVC may have that difference because they have a junk fee on Abound points bought resale to re-activate if I understand correctly. But I also figure you'd have to already know the resale plus fees etc cost to have any idea of the retail deal is actually even close to competitive, so you still need to basically have a resale deal ready to go to compare against. Otherwise, I'm betting all day that the "direct deal" is as good as every other retail "super deal", i.e. very much not and probably 5x to 10x more or worse than resale.

The other fly in the ointment as I understand it is Abound points are like CWA points - i.e. higher MF/pt than alternatives in the system. I've seen people say that if they converted a week to points, the points they got would be less than the points needed to book it so the cost really goes up to book with points. This probably varies by week and location. The other thing I've seen cautioned is that Abound can be really hard to book internationally because "almost all" international locations are weeks and not points, so there's not a lot of points availability at all to try and book.

It's the biggest concern I see in general - people starry eyed from presentations thinking American TSs are going to be the way to open up International travel, but in reality as far as I can tell, they are very unlikely to actually provide what many Americans want from traveling internationally. MVC might be a little better here if you can do a weeks exchange or get the unicorn Abound points week, but I personally wouldn't buy TS for that - maybe if that's like a 2% cherry on top and you're real flexible about where and when, but as a major consideration I think people are likely to be disappointed.
 
I'm not an MVC person, but from what I understand, the caution on buying direct is that there's very limited situations where it would make any sense in TS in general.
Correct, "in general", and not "Never". In the last month I've been offered an MVC enrolled week, that can be elected for club points, that is priced for purchase at a level so close to the total resale price of club points that makes it worth doing, if you are in the market for club points. My experience is not unique and can be replicated with deals that include US weeks and points, as well as weeks outside of the US. At the moment those deals seem to be available, they may not always be, but its well worth pressing for a decent deal from MVC, as well as thoroughly investigating the resale options.
 
Correct, "in general", and not "Never". In the last month I've been offered an MVC enrolled week, that can be elected for club points, that is priced for purchase at a level so close to the total resale price of club points that makes it worth doing, if you are in the market for club points. My experience is not unique and can be replicated with deals that include US weeks and points, as well as weeks outside of the US. At the moment those deals seem to be available, they may not always be, but its well worth pressing for a decent deal from MVC, as well as thoroughly investigating the resale options.
I probably wasn't clear enough - I don't think this sort of in the know of MVC resale and activation pricing as well as understanding Abound well enough to know if the points are even desirable is not reasonable to present to a neophyte potential purchaser. At least without an example week/points offer and price that is where resale is. How would someone with no experience know what's a reasonable retail deal? I have no idea for MVC, but I also think MVC points need to be justified also on a price to MF position, because my understanding is if you don't want to enroll for Abound, resale is $3/pt less off the top by not enrolling.
 
I have 2 HGVC resale, they treat you like a regular owner, something Vistana/Marriott never did, I could never even use their website, always had to use RCI or II to trade. Keep that in mind if you are buying resale with Marriott. Hilton does not seem to care, saved $$$ and enjoy both properties very much.
 
I probably wasn't clear enough - I don't think this sort of in the know of MVC resale and activation pricing as well as understanding Abound well enough to know if the points are even desirable is not reasonable to present to a neophyte potential purchaser. At least without an example week/points offer and price that is where resale is. How would someone with no experience know what's a reasonable retail deal? I have no idea for MVC, but I also think MVC points need to be justified also on a price to MF position, because my understanding is if you don't want to enroll for Abound, resale is $3/pt less off the top by not enrolling.
I was keeping it simple with the "Not "Never"" message. It really is that simple. If a person is consistently told "Never buy direct" they may well take that at face value and miss out on choices that may well suit them.
 
We own a combination of Marriott and Wyndham. Marriott has some great resort-style vacations like Hawaii, where we never could have stayed without the benefits of ownership.
Wyndham also has some great properties (those with Presidential units can often rival what Marriott offers), with the benefit of a wide variety of locations.

For International travel, we are booking hotels 75-80% of the time. You will find that most timeshare locations overseas will need to be booked through exchange companies and in full week increments, which is not often how we are traveling overseas, preferring to spend 3-4 days in one location. That said, if you are flexible and plan ahead, some overseas destinations are doable through timeshare. Here is a list of those we've visited, all one-week stays, except as noted:

London--Sloane Gardens Club (SFX--timeshare has since been dissolved)
Malaga, Spain--both Marriott properties on Getaways (II)
Malta--Radisson Golden Sands (RCI)
Portugal--Club La Costa Lagunamar (SFX)
Scotland--Hilton Craigendarroch (RCI)
France--Bastide du Roy Rene, Provence (RCI)
Maeva Palais de la Marine, Villefrance-sur-Mer (RCI)
Bangkok--Marriott Emerald Place (bonus week)
Italy--Residence La Ferriera, Tuscany (RCI)
Villagio l'Olivara, Tropea (RCI)
Austria--Club Cortina, Vienna (RCI)
Germany--Residenz Mandelgarten (DAE)
Karma Bavaria (RCI)
Crete--Grand Leoniki (RCI)
Wales--Pantglas Hall (DAE)
Bali--Peninsula Beach Resort (DAE)
New Zealand--Village Resort Taupo (DAE)
Australia--Sydney (3-night stay booked with Wyndham points)
Hobart (3-night stay booked with Wyndham points)
Canada--Rosedale on Robson, Vancouver (SFX sell-off list)
White Point Vacation Club, Nova Scotia (RCI)
Club Intrawest Tremblant (RCI)
Mexico--Mayan Palace, Cancun (RCI)

There are many questionable international resorts out there, so I make sure to really research them, especially the reviews, before booking.
 
I was keeping it simple with the "Not "Never"" message. It really is that simple. If a person is consistently told "Never buy direct" they may well take that at face value and miss out on choices that may well suit them.
That is all well and good, but my "never buy direct" comment was in reply and directed to the OP. Clearly OP has very limited knowledge of how Abound even works, much less the ability to nuance a combo deal and whether it is as good or better than resale.

If they become an advanced Tugger, and think a combo package is a good idea, they won't remember my comment. Also, except for status chasers, no reason to buy that many points direct or resale, when you can rent more as needed with no upfront cost.
 
Sounds like I need to go down the "RCI" and "Renting" rabbit holes next...
We are in the same boat. The choices are overwhelming. We have always rented timeshares through red week and are inclined to sticking with this strategy. We have not found any program yet where buying in makes sense for us, but we still have a lot of research to do. If you find a Marriott property where buying in makes sense, we would love to hear about it because we like the experience at those Marriott properties where we have rented.
 
First, do not buy directly from Marriott. You can save a lot buying resale from owners.

Second, I would love to share why I find value in Marriott. I love traveling with my brother's family which includes my niece and nephew. This requires us to book 2 hotel rooms. In addition, my nephew has a dietary condition and we need a kitchen. So the 2BR vacation club villas make a lot of sense and is a lot cheaper than booking 2 hotel rooms which easily can be $400 per night each. Having said that, I'm not sure I would still find value if I wasn't traveling with such a big group though as a snowboarder, there's still value booking studios on the mountain at Breckenridge or Beaver Creek than paying hotel prices.

Since my foray into this adventure 2 years ago, my travel group has included friends and extended family and I'm averaging 15 trips a year. I can't imagine how much more I would be paying if I was booking straight hotel rooms for all those nights. Also, I'm only able to do this now because my company is flexible WFH since the pandemic.

You may ask why not rent Airbnbs? I like knowing what to expect from Marriott/Hyatt properties. The added security of the resort makes me feel safer. I can complain to someone and expect reasonable response to remedy the situation. Airbnbs are still an option, just not my first choice.

You bring up international travel and timeshares are not the best option for international travel outside of Mexico and Caribbean. Marriott has a few properties in Spain and France in Europe and one in Costa Rica. For instance, I am planning a trip to Tokyo and Vietnam next year and I am using Hyatt hotel points and hoping to pick up some Getaways for a resort in Vietnam.

Sorry for the long post but I really love sharing about this and I think my friends are sick of hearing about it from me.
Thank you for all the information. Would you mind sharing where you own?
 
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