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Selling my vacation club

The saga continues. Here is their explanation for this S.R.E. Permit in more detail after nI told them I would not advance any money and I questioned why I needed this permit why I don't own the property:

Thank you very much for your email and for exercising your due diligence. You are completely right, your vacation property is not a deeded property but a “right to use” property, if it was deeded it would definitely simplify this transaction and due to the fact that your property is a “right to use” property your status is not “primary occupant” but “investor”. The Mexican S.R.E. (Secretariat of Foreign Relations) mandates all “foreign investors” who conduct business in Mexico to register with the S.A.T. (Mexican Revenue Service). If we were dealing with a deeded vacation property the Title company would require the Registered Owners (Sellers) to deposit the deed into Escrow and by doing so all the Sellers’ out-of-pocket expenses would be covered and deducted from the proceeds at the time of closing but we are dealing with a non-deeded property outside of our country in which the Resort contract, that you signed in agreement, very clearly stipulates that you, the Registered Owners, must pay a penalty or as they call it “transfer fee” to the Resort prior to transferring your property. On top of that the governing law, which is the Mexican government, mandates all “foreign investors” to register and obtain a Foreigner Registration number through the S.A.T. in order for them to record this transaction so that you may be provided with the necessary documents for your income declaration next year.



If your property was here in the US then the Title Company would be able to make all payment and deduct the funds from your total proceeds at the time of closing. We also have to take into consideration that the Buyer, has complied with his obligations in accordance with the Agreement from La Vista Title (please refer to contract #VT-42301 6th Representation within Clause #8). When La Vista received the notice from the S.A.T. the Buyer deposited the funds in to the Non-refundable escrow account where you and your wife are the beneficiaries. We tried to get him to pay directly to the government but if for any reason the transaction is not fulfilled, the Mexican Government would reimburse the Buyers money to you. LaVista Title must protect the rights of the buyer and for some reason the deal died, the Mexican government would refund the money to you directly not to the escrow account that it was drawn from.
 
These guys lie for a living - they work the phones all day long, lying to people just like you. If you send them any money, you will lose it, and you will never see a cent - guaranteed!
 
I have read through this thread, and (forgive me if I'm wrong- or missed it) is this buyer through the resort? or did you find the buyer? or was this a cold caller saying "We have a buyer for your timeshare for $xx,xxx" ?

Have you gotten the resort involved, by asking them what their requirements are for transferring 'ownership' to a new 'buyer'? With some resorts/systems, it's as simple as signing the back of your contract and sending it (and some money) to the resort. Some will send you the form they use.

The more I read of this whole misadventure, the more convinced I am that it was a cold call from some scammer who is playing you like a trophy trout on a light line.

PLEASE, tell us that you have broken it off if this is from a cold caller. If it's legit, let the resort handle the transfer internally.

Jim
 
Same type pregnant questions I have!

How did you get hooked up with these characters?

What kind of cash are they offering.

What specifically are you selling? Name?

Why haven't any other TUG posters encountered these problems.

Where did "NSR" come from?

Is this new law or harsh enforcement of old one?

Shades of Date Line special Nigerian chest full of $100 dollar bills and intelligent gal ended up giving over $150K as tons of "creditable" documentation!

I must admit these "what ever" are tenacious. Most when told take out of escrow move on to next victim.

Scammers today know better than ask for money until they have victim hooked!
 
PROFECO-The Fountainhead

Since you are skeptical of advice here why not go to the "FOUNTAIN HEAD"?:shrug:

Following is link to general information!

The subsequent info is detailed contact info. While they generally get involved after the fact I am sure they can enlighten you on legitimate fees and taxes. Ounce of prevention!

Vhttp://www.profeco.gob.mx/revista/publicaciones/otas_pub_06/timeshares_abr06.pdf



Profeco - (Procuraduría Federal del Consumidor)
How to File a Complaint from Outside Mexico
for goods and services acquired in Mexico that you are not satisfied with.

Attention to Foreign Residents

Profeco is part of the administrative branch of the federal government of Mexico. Seeks to strengthen the citizen's power and enforces the law to achieve equity on consumption relations.

The Department of Conciliation Services to Foreign Residents (Departamento de Conciliacion a Residentes en el Extranjero C.A.R.E.) provides assistance towards solving controversies arisen between foreign or Mexican citizens living abroad that acquire any product or service from a legally established Mexican supplier and are not satisfied with it.

C.A.R.E. assists the parties within free of charge mediation/conciliation procedures, based upon the terms of the contract that consumer supplies.

To start the conciliation/mediation procedure C.A.R.E. must analyze the documentation submitted by the consumer related to the following information:
1. Complaint letter stating the following:
• Consumer: name, mailing address, telephone number and e-mail.
• Supplier: name and address as stated on the receipt or contract.
• Brief description of the complaint, including the date of purchase, cost of the goods or service, and claimed amounts.

2. Completed complaint form

3. Copy of ID (Passport or Driver's License)

4. Copy of contract, invoice payment, bills, credit slips or receipts, as evidence of payment.

5. Copy of additional documents available to support the complaint.

The above information must be e-mailed to: extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx

Or sent by regular mail to:
Procuraduría Federal del Consumidor,
Dirección General de Quejas y Conciliación,
Av. Jose Vasconcélos no. 208, 6º. Piso,
Col. Condesa. Del. Cuauhtémoc,
C.P. 06140, México, D.F.

It is important to stress that all personal and confidential information colleted by Profeco, C.A.R.E., will be considered as non disclosed and protected by our federal laws.


For further information, do not hesitate to contact us at:
(+52) 55 5211-1723 or (+52) 55 5625-6633,
or write to: extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx

http://www.profeco.gob.mx/

Click on the link - Atención al Extranjero
 
First of all I want to say that I have agreed with all of you from the beginning. I just wanted to be sure that this wasn't some new regulation in Mexico. I left it with the realtor that the only way I will do this transaction is if they wire me the funds first so I can have my money and then I will pay the Mexican government. It has been about a day and a half and I have not heard back from him as yet.

No I am not holding my breath.
 
Contacted by NSR

I was just contacted by NSR out of Minnesota (allegedly) to sell 10 weeks of our right to use resort.


The BBB has an alert on them and they don't actually have an office in Minnesota and their landlord denied their tenant application there. So it pretty much settles the fact that they are not legit.
FYI,

Charismatic
 
Wow. I can't believe this thread is from 2014 and the same type of scam continues to be happening 10 years later......Usually scammers drop a scam if it stops working, so I am guessing this type of scam still works. I have a vacation club membership (Legendary Vacations, if anyone happens to know it). I have been contacted by two different real estate companies in the US, allegedly representing Mexican buyers to buy my membership. The first one, last year, offered $130,000 USD for it!!!! The price was ridiculous but I played along up to the point where we asked me to send copies of my passport to open a bank account in Mexico, for the transaction. The form with a Santander logo, was obviously fake, because it was in "bad" English, which was the obvious red flag. By the way, the real estate company was from MN (I think someone else mentioned a MN-based scammer as well).

Three weeks ago a different company from MA, started the same pitch. Their price was a much more reasonably $30,000 USD and they connected me with a Title company in Missouri. They had a different procedure, first wanted a copy of my driver's license to establish a so-called irrevocable trust (at Santander again....) where they buyer put in the full amount + the capital gains tax that would be paid in Mexico at the end. I photoshoped my driver's license just to take it a step further.

Then they startrd all this SRE permit and RFC business described above. They wanted $3,425 USD to handle this process, which the buyer would deposit to the trust account as well. They also "offered" me the option to make an appointment at a Mexican Consulate near me to take care of that on my own, if I didn't want them to do it, but they made it sound that that end cost would be the same in either case. It definitely sounded much more reasonable (this is the cost of the paperwork, we can do it for you, or you do it on your own). I was tempted to say I am going to do it on my own but then I started researching what documentation I realized that this was all bogus, because the paperwork required did not match with the sale of a membership (copies of utility bills etc). I also found out that an SRE permit only costs ~7000 pesos, which is ~10 times less than what they had told me.

While doing this research by the way I happened upon this thread and this website and decided to become a member because there are ton of useful information here so in a way, every situation has a silver lining :)

Anyways, the reason I decided to post my story is really for others to realize that this type of scam is still making the rounds.
 
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